NHL Anti-Thread: Bad Business Decision Aggregator

[FiddySicks]

2 hours ago, Sport said:

 

 

 

I think their ceiling if they'd built an arena on the east side of downtown would be Dallas' floor. It wouldn't have been a smashing success, but they'd still be around. The Westgate Entertainment District was like intentionally walking into quicksand and they've only lasted this long because the league dragged them along. But I believe if you took any hockey market in the league and plopped the team on the other side of the city away from the bulk of the money then they would also struggle. It was suicide doing it with a team with no roots established in the city. 

 

There's been so many bad moves with them it makes the Blue Jackets look like the Lightning. Remember when they hired a math-whiz middle schooler to be GM who thought he could moneyball the Coyotes to success and then threw a diaper tantrum and quit? Probably best known now as the guy with the hot sister. 

 

It’s also really so hard to explain to someone how difficult it is to find the motivation to go to a hockey game when you’re just constantly soaked in sweat. Theres a vibe to Phoenix, and hockey kind of runs counterintuitive to that. 

[infrared41]

3 hours ago, FiddySicks said:

Yeah, but he also posted that at one point, too. I remember that one rather vividly. It was after Josh Hancock drunk texted himself into the back of a parked tow truck, which makes the whole thing even funnier. 

 

STL Fanatic was the one who said it, right? I seem to remember him going to the mats defending Josh Hancock for getting all drunk and doing a high speed merger with that tow truck.

 

2 hours ago, The_Admiral said:

The line was "I am a Cardinal.", which is arguably funnier than the meme. 

 

If memory serves, someone responded to "I am a Cardinal" with "Today, we are all Cardinals" and the rest is CCSLC history.

[SFGiants58]

There were once two threads.

 

The nested quotes make so many goldmine threads near-impossible to read in phone. But that's to be expected when dealing with forum software.

[BBTV]

5 hours ago, SFGiants58 said:

My favorite Goldmine thread is this one.

 

 

 

I actually don't remember that one at all - and now that I've read it, I don't get it.  But OMG the things we used to post about back in the day and the phrases we used.

[infrared41]

8 minutes ago, BBTV said:

 

I actually don't remember that one at all - and now that I've read it, I don't get it.  But OMG the things we used to post about back in the day and the phrases we used.

 

That was the part of the "Ugliest Bathroom" sub-section which was an ill-fated attempt to allow banned users access to that lone section of the boards. Why it's in the Goldmine is beyond me. It's not even in the discussion of our finest work on these here boards. Putting that thing in the Goldmine with our best work is like putting Who's the Boss on the list of top ten TV shows of all-time.

 

My personal favorite is when we realigned the calendar. You were on fire in that thread. CCSLC: The HBO Series was pretty good too.

[BBTV]

1 minute ago, infrared41 said:

Ugliest Bathroom" sub-section which was an ill-fated attempt to allow banned users access to that lone section of the boards.

 

Ugliest Bathroom was literally my idea, based on CC's bathroom.  I still think it should exist.

 

I don't recall the calendar realignment.  I doubt Max wants the CCSLC The Series anymore, but Peacock will put anything on there, or maybe CW or Tubi will start offering original programming.  

[BBTV]

33 minutes ago, SFGiants58 said:

There were once two threads.

 

The nested quotes make so many goldmine threads near-impossible to read in phone. But that's to be expected when dealing with forum software.

 

I'm 99% sure that there's a lost thread that predates that one, based on context clues in that one and from search results in the "grinds my gears" topic.

 

There's not too many flame outs anymore, but godsdamned if it's not the best when you can drive someone to an internet-forum meltdown that results in either banishment or voluntary quitting.  There gets a point where you can start to smell the blood in the water, and then it's over.  Some may call it bullying, but it's always the result of someone taking a benign suggestion and going from 0-60 faster than one of Rashee Rice's rentals.

 

EDIT:

it's also fun going back and seeing who's been banned, as there's so many I forgot.  There's others that I thought were banned, but must have voluntarily walked away.  

[FiddySicks]

44 minutes ago, infrared41 said:

 

STL Fanatic was the one who said it, right? I seem to remember him going to the mats defending Josh Hancock for getting all drunk and doing a high speed merger with that tow truck.

 

 

If memory serves, someone responded to "I am a Cardinal" with "Today, we are all Cardinals" and the rest is CCSLC history.

Yup. It was almost that exactly. 
 

 

There’s just something about St. Louis Cardinals fans and this forum. We’ve gotten SO much good content from them over the years. Then we had The Admiral pull a Hannibal Burress on Cosby to that fanbase and I haven’t been able to see them in the same light since. 

[infrared41]

10 minutes ago, BBTV said:

I don't recall the calendar realignment

 

It's a classic.

[BBTV]

Haha I haven't made it through the whole thing yet, but "Urrectum" as a replacemnt for "Uranus" made me laugh.

 

I still feel my suggestion of a new day called DreDay didn't get the consideration it deserved.  Then there's this;
 

Today we are all October.

 

EDIT: I also distinctly remember Lamicus giving me warning points for using the phrase "eat a bag of d...", then using it in that thread like a week later.  I called him out on it and he was baslically like "eh, it is what it is."

 

Not nearly as bad as BiB's targeting / over moderation and warning for things he said in the same thread you were warned in.

[infrared41]

13 minutes ago, BBTV said:

There's not too many flame outs anymore, but godsdamned if it's not the best when you can drive someone to an internet-forum meltdown that results in either banishment or voluntary quitting.  There gets a point where you can start to smell the blood in the water, and then it's over.  Some may call it bullying, but it's always the result of someone taking a benign suggestion and going from 0-60 faster than one of Rashee Rice's rentals.

 

We have too many mods now for a good ol' "blaze of glory" to get any traction. This place had a little more of a wild west flavor to it back in the day when there were fewer moderators.

[The_Admiral]

HRification comes for everyone, even arcane special-interest message boards. How many warning points am I up to now?

[The_Admiral]

6 hours ago, Walk-Off said:

Over the last few years, some people here in the CCSLC have accused Major League Soccer of adding teams mainly to prop itself up financially through expansion fees.

 

Is it possible, then, that the NHL and its teams — even with a very different relationship from what MLS has with its clubs — have run into a troublesome monetary situation that is causing a compulsion, or at least a temptation, to get quick and easy funds by expanding to a shockingly gargantuan number of franchises?

 

Wouldn't be the first time, would it, league that named four expansion markets at once?

[infrared41]

1 minute ago, The_Admiral said:

HRification comes for everyone, even arcane special-interest message boards. How many warning points am I up to now?

 

You're a real outlaw. You have 6...since 2017. You're not even averaging one per year. 

[The_Admiral]

I don't think we touched upon this, but Salt Lake City was the Golden Knights' biggest secondary market and now that's gone, along with most of the rest of the Intermountain West that they'd been allowed to squat on. I believe the Golden Knights and Coyotes were both working with Scripps for their TV, so it's possible they get their games into Arizona now. 

[spartacat_12]

On 4/15/2024 at 1:13 AM, BeerGuyJordan said:

Jim Balsillie came close to relocating the Predators to Hamilton back in like the early 2010's. He wasn't as close as he believed, and started operating as if it were a done deal. That passed off the league and killed the deal.

 

I'm not certain he would have gotten it done even if he hadn't shot himself in the foot, but given the fact that the Isles debacle seemed to teach the League almost nothing, who knows?

 

On 4/15/2024 at 1:58 AM, who do you think said:

Yeah, Jim Balsillie. He loved to run his mouth and go off half-cocked and do things like hold a season ticket drive for a Hamilton team that he didn't actually own yet, then he tried to buy the Coyotes out of bankruptcy with the goal of loopholing them up to Hamilton somehow. I should read The Instigator again.

 

22 hours ago, mcj882000 said:

Yes, in fact they even made a movie about him last year. Vine star-turned-voice actor ProZD is in it for a bit. The Hamilton NHL mess even factors into the film a little, and one of the guys from This Hour Has 22 Minutes plays Gary Bettman!

 

 

Who knows how accurate this scene was, but Howerton as Balsillie was a great piece of casting. He fumbled all his attempts to land an NHL team, but essentially provided the template for what not to do in order to become an NHL owner. 

 

It sounds like Ryan Smith did the exact opposite, which is part of why the league is interested in doing business with him. He never explicitly stated he wanted to own the Coyotes, he just said, "I would like to own a team, I have enough money to do so, and I have a building that is ready to host games right away." He probably would've preferred an expansion team that would be playing their inaugural season in a brand new arena, but given the Yotes salary cap situation & stockpile of draft picks/prospects he's inheriting a pretty solid starting point. There's talk that he's going to be very aggressive this summer to bring in some big pieces too.

[Sport]

16 hours ago, The_Admiral said:

I don't think we touched upon this, but Salt Lake City was the Golden Knights' biggest secondary market and now that's gone, along with most of the rest of the Intermountain West that they'd been allowed to squat on.

 

I'm kind of nervous about SLC for this reason. Found this website where you can find population inside of a certain radius. 

 

https://www.statsamerica.org/radius/big.aspx

 

I set Salt Lake City and drew a 200 mile radius, which I figure to be about the edge of where a normal person would drive to attend a game. The tool says about 3.7 million people live in that circle. Sounds like a lot of people, but consider that little small market Columbus, Ohio using the same radius is over 28 million (that doesn't even include Chicago) and it feels like trouble.

 

Here's some other markets not clustered in the Northeast using this same metric:

Nashville - 17 million

Raleigh - 16

St. Paul - almost 8

St. Louis - 9.5

 

"well the West is big and people are spread out" Yeah, still. There's 7.8 million people within 200 miles of Las Vegas. Denver, Colorado - 6 million. Seattle - over 9, etc. All way more than SLC. Phoenix's is 7.3, for the record. 

 

They're moving the team to a place on the map where there just aren't that many people, the closest NHL team to pull in visiting fans from is in Denver 500 miles away so they're not going to get the natural visitors gates like Columbus does from Penguins, Red Wings and Blackhawks fans. Plus they already have the NBA, College sports, and MLS teams. They're probably over-extended as it is. I wish them luck. 

[BBTV]

Wait who’s driving 200 miles to an NHL game? 

[Sport]

7 minutes ago, BBTV said:

Wait who’s driving 200 miles to an NHL game? 

 

Me, people who live in a city that doesn't have an NHL team. 

[tBBP]

33 minutes ago, BBTV said:

Wait who’s driving 200 miles to an NHL game? 

 

For starters, people in, say, Sioux Falls, South Dakota, who have to drive at least that far to get to...anything worth doing. 

 

*spoken from the experience of me, a four-year quasi-South Dakotan who regularly drove to the Twin Cities, 220 miles away, to do things worth doing.