FiddySicks Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Without looking at the amount of public money that would go into that, I kinda like that idea. They should probably just stay in Anaheim, but Long Beach has always felt weirdly underserved to me. It wouldn’t really be a loss to the area either because Long Beach is only about a half hour away. 3 Quote On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDAWG Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 If the Angels move out of Anaheim, what happens to Angel Stadium? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Disney’s Island of Whatever they’re gonna make more money from. 8 Quote On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tp49 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Or it becomes what jobing.com arena should have...a parking lot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Cesarano Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 On 10/20/2018 at 11:21 AM, BringBackTheVet said: I know here, some people will look at you funny if you say you live in the city but you're in somewhere like Manayunk, which while in the city limits, and arguably urban, isn't the core of the city. Ironically, that's the case despite the fact that Phila's city/county really doesn't sprawl that much at all (except in the trashy northeast.) The trashy Northeast (which I like to call "the Queens of Philadelphia") is where I typically stay when I go down there. The bicycling up there is excellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSU151 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 10 hours ago, Bucfan56 said: Without looking at the amount of public money that would go into that, I kinda like that idea. They should probably just stay in Anaheim, but Long Beach has always felt weirdly underserved to me. It wouldn’t really be a loss to the area either because Long Beach is only about a half hour away. That location in Long Beach is pretty stunning, and that area probably could support a team...but I don't think the Dodgers would let the Angels move there. That location is also far worse than the current stadium for traffic congestion. Ultimately, I'm guessing the Angels do huge upgrades to Angel Stadium. Quote Smart is believing half of what you hear. Genius is knowing which half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMU Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 9 minutes ago, WSU151 said: That location in Long Beach is pretty stunning, and that area probably could support a team...but I don't think the Dodgers would let the Angels move there. That location is also far worse than the current stadium for traffic congestion. Ultimately, I'm guessing the Angels do huge upgrades to Angel Stadium. The Dodgers don’t have a choice. Unlike the Bay Area the market is shared between the Dodgers and the Angels without a dividing line. Traffic-wise, the location is right at the end of the 710 so it’s not too far from freeway access. I’d certainly expect for the capacity to be lowered from the current Angel Stadium number but there definitely won’t be a support issue since Long Beach itself has a population of 450K. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc49erfan15 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 On 10/20/2018 at 11:21 AM, BringBackTheVet said: Suburbs can technically exist within city limits, even though in the states we don't often think that way. Just because some neighborhood is part of LA, if it's mostly residential and not too "urban" (here's where a gray area exists), then it's a suburb. I missed this discussion a few months ago, but BBTV is right. Suburban, exurban, rural... etc. are more useful when describing the character of an area or neighborhood, not whether or not they're inside the city limits. City limit boundaries aren't useful for much more than determining who and who doesn't pay tax dollars to where. It's open to interpretation whether city boundaries are overbounded (Jacksonville, Oklahoma City come to mind) or underbounded (most cities have "less desirable" neighborhoods that "should" be part of the city limits, but aren't. Yay racism!). But yeah, just because an area is technically within the city limits doesn't mean it can't be suburban. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Be that as it may, there's a lack of clarity that comes from referring to Sauganash as "suburban Chicago," is there not? Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kolob Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 11 hours ago, GDAWG said: If the Angels move out of Anaheim, what happens to Angel Stadium? Stores. Restaurants. Hotels. SIDE NOTE: I'm somewhat surprised we haven't had 2-3 posts suggesting a Los Angeles Angels of Long Beach name change. Quote "I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific." Lily Tomlin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmoehrin Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 46 minutes ago, LMU said: The Dodgers don’t have a choice. Unlike the Bay Area the market is shared between the Dodgers and the Angels without a dividing line. Traffic-wise, the location is right at the end of the 710 so it’s not too far from freeway access. I’d certainly expect for the capacity to be lowered from the current Angel Stadium number but there definitely won’t be a support issue since Long Beach itself has a population of 450K. This is true. The Bay Area is explicitly laid out where the Giants can play and where the A's can play. Technically speaking the Angels could build a new stadium in the Dodger Stadium parking lot if they wanted to. There is a reason Long Beach was the original spot picked out for the Angels. They can still keep the biggest advantage Anaheim has over LA, which is pulling in Orange County residents, but their local fanbase will also jump by about 100k. The question is where do you find the land to build a stadium and for how much? The most logical choice would seem to be right around where the Queen Mary is docked, but the city is not going to be at a loss for developers wanting to do something with that land. The other factor to consider for the Angels is that this is moving about a half hour away from their old stadium. That's going to significantly change the makeup of potential season ticket buyers. That can be a good thing, or it can completely blow up in your face. It sounds like a good idea on paper, but a lot of factors need to line up for this thing to come to fruition and I don't see it happening. I believe local opposition is going to be strong and I think the price tag is going to be too high for the Angels liking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc49erfan15 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 18 minutes ago, the admiral said: Be that as it may, there's a lack of clarity that comes from referring to Sauganash as "suburban Chicago," is there not? What's the issue? Granted, I'm not intimately familiar with Chicago suburbs, but Google Maps shows me a planned streets, mostly single-family residential (small-ish lot sizes, but yards exist), 2 golf courses, a few commercial strips, 12 miles from the CBD, abutted by an Interstate... looks like a streetcar suburb to me. What's not suburban about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc49erfan15 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 11 minutes ago, kimball said: Stores. Restaurants. Hotels. SIDE NOTE: I'm somewhat surprised we haven't had 2-3 posts suggesting a Los Angeles Angels of Long Beach name change. Southern California Angels, maybe? The Padres and Dodgers might have an issue with that, but did those teams (plus the A's and Giants) get up in arms about "California Angels?" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, sc49erfan15 said: What's the issue? Granted, I'm not intimately familiar with Chicago suburbs, but Google Maps shows me a planned streets, mostly single-family residential (small-ish lot sizes, but yards exist), 2 golf courses, a few commercial strips, abutted by an Interstate... looks like a streetcar suburb to me. What's not suburban about it? Well, it's a neighborhood in the city, albeit one on the edge of it, and "suburban Chicago" typically refers to the suburbs. Perhaps the reason no one has suggested "Long Beach Angels" is that Long Beach isn't really a place people think about too much, not like Anaheim, the Disney city. Also, such a move would bring them closer to Los Angeles than they are now, so the current name would fit fine. Long Beach is right next to San Pedro, which is part of L.A., the system works. 2 Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc49erfan15 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Just now, the admiral said: Well, it's a neighborhood in the city, albeit one on the edge of it, and "suburban Chicago" typically refers to the suburbs. Is "Suburban Chicago" a thing (sorry) used specifically to refer to places outside of the city limits? If Chicago annexed Cicero or Rosemont or Des Plaines, would those places cease to be Surburban Chicago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodboy13 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Chicago annexed Austin a hundred and some odd years ago, so yes. Mount Greenwood is Suburban Chicago, though. It's almost Honorary Will County. Quote On 1/25/2013 at 1:53 PM, 'Atom said: For all the bird de lis haters I think the bird de lis isnt supposed to be a pelican and a fleur de lis I think its just a fleur de lis with a pelicans head. Thats what it looks like to me. Also the flair around the tip of the beak is just flair that fleur de lis have sometimes source I am from NOLA. PotD: 10/19/07, 08/25/08, 07/22/10, 08/13/10, 04/15/11, 05/19/11, 01/02/12, and 01/05/12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Mt. Greenwood should incorporate so it can have a city seal that says "The Irish Were The Real Slaves" Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMU Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 35 minutes ago, pmoehrin said: The question is where do you find the land to build a stadium and for how much? The most logical choice would seem to be right around where the Queen Mary is docked, but the city is not going to be at a loss for developers wanting to do something with that land. The article cites that the land being offered is the parking lot of Long Beach Arena (aka the “Elephant Lot” as it’s where the circus animals were staged before and after shows). And come to think of it a ballpark there would be perfect in terms that you already have a ballpark village in place with the Pike and the plethora of restaurants on Shoreline, you have three luxury hotels within a half mile, and the team would be even closer to the nearest airport (LGB vs SNA) 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Right, but once you build on the parking lot, where's the parking? Do you tear down part of the convention center? It's Southern California, people can't not drive to the games. Is that Tobias's Queen Mary there? 2 Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMU Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 18 minutes ago, the admiral said: Right, but once you build on the parking lot, where's the parking? Do you tear down part of the convention center? It's Southern California, people can't not drive to the games. Is that Tobias's Queen Mary there? The two square shapes just north of the Arena are parking structures. I could see those being dramatically expanded. I could also see a scenario where they demolish the Arena since they haven’t had a regular tenant since the Ice Dogs and only really schedule Disney on Ice anymore. A wrench is that the outside is painted with a Robert Wyland mural. There’s also two massive parking structures already in the area (5 and 7 stories respectively) less than a half mile west on Shoreline at the Aquarium so those can definitely be utilized. And that’d the same Queen Mary. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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