Indigo Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 2 hours ago, truepg said: You can buy whatever the heck you want or not. Hundreth time again, the conversation wasn't about how appropriate it is for Utah or the Jazz, which I've been an opponent of from the beginning, but the quality of technical execution of whatever it is they decided to go with in this case. Once again, reading comprehension, FFS. "Reading comprehension?" Really? You're entitled to your opinion, but if you reallly think that me paragraph was about whether or not the rebrand fit the Jazz, you really need to look in the mirror. The Lakers uniforms don't fit the Jazz, but they're one of the best uniforms in sports, period. I was responding to you saying that the Jazz's rebrand was of great quality and execution (an outlandish claim) while denouncing the Nets' rebrand and saying it was exponentially worse (another outlandish claim). You can like the Jazz rebrand, I'm not here to attack you or your opinion personally (hell, we have an entire thread for unpopular opinions, and I have a few entries myself). But to say that a basketball jersey with insanely large lettering, numbers comperable to a football uniform, nearly unoticable design elements that area lazy holdover, and an appaling color scheme is objectively better than a well-thought-out brand with design elements that fit not only said brand, but adequatley fit the parameters of a basketball uniform is complete and utter insanity, which is why I brought up the contraian definiton earlier. TL;DR: There is no way in hell that the Nets' uniforms are worse than the Jazz's, and I would like if you stop insulting my intellegence level over an opinion that you believe is objectivley true, which is objectivley false. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truepg Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 11 hours ago, LA Fakers+ LA Snippers said: "Reading comprehension?" Really? You're entitled to your opinion, but if you reallly think that me paragraph was about whether or not the rebrand fit the Jazz, you really need to look in the mirror. The Lakers uniforms don't fit the Jazz, but they're one of the best uniforms in sports, period. I was responding to you saying that the Jazz's rebrand was of great quality and execution (an outlandish claim) while denouncing the Nets' rebrand and saying it was exponentially worse (another outlandish claim). You can like the Jazz rebrand, I'm not here to attack you or your opinion personally (hell, we have an entire thread for unpopular opinions, and I have a few entries myself). But to say that a basketball jersey with insanely large lettering, numbers comperable to a football uniform, nearly unoticable design elements that area lazy holdover, and an appaling color scheme is objectively better than a well-thought-out brand with design elements that fit not only said brand, but adequatley fit the parameters of a basketball uniform is complete and utter insanity, which is why I brought up the contraian definiton earlier. TL;DR: There is no way in hell that the Nets' uniforms are worse than the Jazz's I will be expressing any opinions I see right and suitable, and argumented, on top of that, regardless of whomever considers them "unpopular" or any other thing I could care less about on well-founded grounds or not, like you do there without giving any legitimate design arguments. Quote over an opinion that you believe is objectivley true, which is objectivley false. Oh really? The hell.. SMH. Quote and I would like if you stop insulting my intellegence level over an opinion Talking about mirrors and asking me, next time you'll know better than to take the freedom of calling out someone. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayHawk786 Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 37 minutes ago, Conrad. said: Yea, that about sums it up, but I will say, sadly, that the Clips don't have a change coming. Let's hope they change (at least the logo) when the Inglewood move comes. And that's not an insinuation. Just my personal hope. I wouldn't know about something that far ahead of time. If the Clips were to change their identity based on their mascot(pictured below) any thoughts on a potential rebrand to Los Angeles Condors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrad. Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 Condors could work because you could conceptually pivot to sky blue / orange (or red) / black / white as a color scheme and connote San Diego roots. You still keep the "LAC" that they've been using recently. They also need to retain the "urban street" aesthetic they've been keying into. It's a nice contrast to the glitz and glam of the Lakers. 11 Quote Red Goat Creations :: Graphic Design Solutions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truepg Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, WSU151 said: I don't think anyone, either novice designer nor professional designer, would agree with you. The Nets logos aren't amateur...everything is pretty much on point, design-wise. The black and white might be boring, the font might not be the most exciting...but everything fits together. Plus, I think the designers of the Nets logos are members of this board and worked for Reebok/adidas at the time. None of those points change or affect the fact. Just says more about the people in question. The Nets logos were even brought up here just recently by another user as an example of the poor level of design in the NBA amongst the major leagues, and pop up every now and then. That being said, the proficiency level of design the NBA fields and half its teams come up with is rather questionable and not impeccably professional to a considerable extent. What can a novice say here? Edited July 12, 2022 by truepg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJWalker45 Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/6/2022 at 8:18 AM, McCall said: It's just the summer league uniform. All teams use the same template with their wordmark and number fonts. I don't think anybody uses logos on the front, just the name in the font. Logos are on the hips of the shorts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSU151 Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 2 hours ago, truepg said: None of those points change or affect the fact. Just says more about the people in question. The Nets logos were even brought up here just recently by another user as an example of the poor level of design in the NBA amongst the major leagues, and pop up every now and then. That being said, the proficiency level of design the NBA fields and half its teams come up with is rather questionable and not impeccably professional to a considerable extent. What can a novice say here? What would a professional Brooklyn Nets logo look like to you? Feel free to give us your ideas and a concept. You really haven’t told us why anything in the current design looks amateurish. 3 Quote Smart is believing half of what you hear. Genius is knowing which half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy! Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 A friendly reminder. Keep it civil or we shut it down. —Mods 7 Quote "I secretly hope people like that hydroplane into a wall." - Dennis "Big Sexy" Ittner POTD - 7/3/14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truepg Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 11 hours ago, WSU151 said: What would a professional Brooklyn Nets logo look like to you? Feel free to give us your ideas and a concept. You really haven’t told us why anything in the current design looks amateurish. Coming up with an appropriate professional logo requires time, effort and dedication, and I'm not up for that in case of this matter. However, some decent ideas have popped up here along the way, from someone who had taken part in the developmental design stages or just other that would be more fitting. I went through all the issues in general. Sure, we could pick apart and go through every element and detail here in specific, but that has been done already several times on here ever since the Nets introduced their logos and identity, so I'll just leave it at that for now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSU151 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 3 hours ago, truepg said: Coming up with an appropriate professional logo requires time, effort and dedication, and I'm not up for that in case of this matter. However, some decent ideas have popped up here along the way, from someone who had taken part in the developmental design stages or just other that would be more fitting. I went through all the issues in general. Sure, we could pick apart and go through every element and detail here in specific, but that has been done already several times on here ever since the Nets introduced their logos and identity, so I'll just leave it at that for now. Do you really think it only took 5-10 minutes to design the Nets logo? What makes you say the current logo didn’t take time and effort and consideration? If you’re going to call something amateur, you shouldn’t avoid/deflect on the details. It should be fairly easy to defend your claim, but your refusal to talk about what would make it more professional looking is quite telling. Is it the kerning of the letters, the width of the strokes, sloppiness, or anything else? The only issues you brought up were: The Nets have basic trim (minimalism isn’t amateur, and the herringbone pattern in the trim isn’t basic). The Nets numbers and letters aren’t “crisp”. Nobody knows what that means. What do they need to look like in order to be “crisp”? 5 Quote Smart is believing half of what you hear. Genius is knowing which half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truepg Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 1 hour ago, WSU151 said: Do you really think it only took 5-10 minutes to design the Nets logo? What makes you say the current logo didn’t take time and effort and consideration? I was responding to your suggestion of coming up with one myself. The actual Nets logo is its own separate discussion. Quote If you’re going to call something amateur, you shouldn’t avoid/deflect on the details. It should be fairly easy to defend your claim, but your refusal to talk about what would make it more professional looking is quite telling. Is it the kerning of the letters, the width of the strokes, sloppiness, or anything else? The only issues you brought up were: The Nets have basic trim (minimalism isn’t amateur, and the herringbone pattern in the trim isn’t basic). The Nets numbers and letters aren’t “crisp”. Nobody knows what that means. What do they need to look like in order to be “crisp”? I did bring it up in another message, but I had answered that point of yours already too: 4 hours ago, truepg said: I went through all the issues in general. Sure, we could pick apart and go through every element and detail here in specific, but that has been done already several times on here ever since the Nets introduced their logos and identity, so I'll just leave it at that for now. What comes to the herringbone pattern – it's as useless a detail as the fainted stripes on the new Jazz' unis that isn't visible apart from a real head-on close-up inspection that doesn't make the design in general any better. So it's absurd that its being brought up in this comparison all the while the one y'all defend has the same exact issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, truepg said: I was responding to your suggestion of coming up with one myself. The actual Nets logo is its own separate discussion. I did bring it up in another message, but I had answered that point of yours already too: What comes to the herringbone pattern – it's as useless a detail as the fainted stripes on the new Jazz' unis that isn't visible apart from a real head-on close-up inspection that doesn't make the design in general any better. So it's absurd that its being brought up in this comparison all the while the one ya'll defend has the same exact issue. Since you seem to be getting confused, let's make this clear: your ability to make an NBA logo is not whatw e are talking about. The question at hand is "why do you think the Jazz rebrand is better than the Nets'?" Also, hiding a court pattern inside of a stripe and recoloring old stripes don't carry the same weight. Brooklyn's jerseys also have collar, shoulder and shorts trim, unlike the Jazz's practice jersey look. Edited July 13, 2022 by LA Fakers+ LA Snippers 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSU151 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 34 minutes ago, truepg said: I was responding to your suggestion of coming up with one myself. The actual Nets logo is its own separate discussion. I did bring it up in another message, but I had answered that point of yours already too: What comes to the herringbone pattern – it's as useless a detail as the fainted stripes on the new Jazz' unis that isn't visible apart from a real head-on close-up inspection that doesn't make the design in general any better. So it's absurd that its being brought up in this comparison all the while the one y'all defend has the same exact issue. It sure is fun reading non-answers and deflections. Sounds like your definition of "amateurish" is "I don't like it". 5 5 1 Quote Smart is believing half of what you hear. Genius is knowing which half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truepg Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 2 hours ago, LA Fakers+ LA Snippers said: Since you seem to be getting confused, let's make this clear: your ability to make an NBA logo is not whatw e are talking about. The question at hand is "why do you think the Jazz rebrand is better than the Nets'?" Also, hiding a court pattern inside of a stripe and recoloring old stripes don't carry the same weight. Brooklyn's jerseys also have collar, shoulder and shorts trim, unlike the Jazz's practice jersey look. I'm confused? You guys can't even stay on track and pay attention properly to what I've been saying. And that was literally what was suggested to me. 1 hour ago, WSU151 said: It sure is fun reading non-answers and deflections. Sounds like your definition of "amateurish" is "I don't like it". The last thing I need to be doing is proving anything to anybody around here. The last time, though, another user demanded me to show the free font that I claimed was used on a jersey ended up being just that to his utter amazement. Even then, as I had already pinpointed and skimmed over it, it's been done on these boards already numerous times before regarding the Nets, and there's really no reason to pick anything thoroughly apart here anyways, since, as it seems, the contingent on these boards isn't mostly much affiliated with the design realms, nor that it should be. Either way, you should've already settled to disagree and moved on by now, as it was already obvious. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSU151 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 26 minutes ago, truepg said: The last thing I need to be doing is proving anything to anybody around here. That last thing we need is people calling professional logos "amateurish" without articulating the specifics. "Go read what someone else said about it" is not an explanation nor a defense of your own claim. Everyone sees through this deflection/lack of real answers. 5 1 Quote Smart is believing half of what you hear. Genius is knowing which half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
officeglenn Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 OK, mod stepping in here. That's enough bickering and going around in circles here re: the Nets and the Jazz. Drop the subject or suspensions will be handed out. 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 ...so...uh...that was a real nice Cavs photoshop the other day...right? 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyJimmy Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 regarding the Clippers convo, it might just be my alliteration fetish talking but "California Condors" sounds way cooler than using LA as the location. of course, that isn't really feasible with a Golden State around, but it'd be nice. also I don't know how else to put this, but the Jazz rebrand is like the crypto version of basketball uniforms. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreyEight Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Clippers dont need a new name they need to just go back to the San Diego look & colors 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eRay Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 I could be wrong, but I bet Adam Silver and the rest of the teams would shy away from adding a third bird team to the NBA. Chances are the logo would either resemble the Hawks or Pelicans logo too closely for their tastes. I'm by no means saying the name is bad or the 3 birds look the same, I just would bet against it if the Clips were indeed changing their name. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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