McCall Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 2 hours ago, the admiral said: Just mercy-kill the Pelicans and send them to Seattle. I don't want to see more teams in a league where a team will win the 3rd overall draft pick and be like "welp, guess it's time to suck for five more years." That we're talking about places like Des Moines, Louisville, Hoffman Estates, and the city from the show about meth clearly demonstrates that there's not a 32nd city to go to. Actually, the NBA has a decent amount of legit markets to choose from if they so desire, probably more than any other league. Obviously, Seattle and Las Vegas lead the list. But then you have markets like Pittsburgh, Kansas City, St. Louis, Montreal, New Jersey (again), as well as secondary markets like Louisville, that all have good arena situations (some newer and better than others), but they're options. I'm not saying all should get a team, by any means, but people around here just take the whole NBA being in markets like Sacramento, OKC and Memphis, etc, to mean that any city should get a team when they shouldn't... like Albuquerque and Des Moines. 1 Quote https://dribbble.com/MakaioCall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 11 minutes ago, McCall said: New Jersey (again) It wouldn't be allowed, but North Jersey would be a better home for a team than any of the non-Seattle suggestions made in this thread (including the ones in your post.) Quote "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 Yeah, I don't think the NBA will ever go three deep on a media market. We saw that in 2011 when the major-market owners made sure the Kings to Anaheim didn't happen -- the idea being that it would throw the doors open to doubling up on those towns or even a third team competing with the Knicks and Nets. Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCMODS Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 Memphis & Oklahoma City could be in danger in the future when their owners come crying for new buildings. I don't see St. Louis happening, especially when their arena is almost 30 years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cujo Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 Putting an NBA team in Albuquerque would never work and will never happen. Super small market. Locals don't show for the Isotopes or Lobos football/bball, and I guess now their minor league soccer team is struggling. It just isn't a sportsy town. Unless one of the Big 4 sports expand to 60 teams, there's just no way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanMcD29 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 7 hours ago, Sykotyk said: Rochester is an interesting idea. Buffalo owns western New York, but couldn't support a third team. They struggle to keep up with supporting the Bills and Sabres. However, a team in Rochester would siphon a lot of support from Rochester and Syracuse that would be spending sports dollars at U of Syracuse or the Buffalo pro teams. Also draw some basketball fans from Buffalo to them. And grow a new base of fans who may watch on TV Buffalo sports and be fans of them but don't actively spend money attending games might latch on to a Rochester team. And become a regionally aligned team. There are better options out there, but it is an interesting idea. Eh, Rochester's in both the Sabres and Syracuse basketball spheres of influence for the winter, plus more importantly there's no real corporate support outside of Wegmans there since Kodak and Xerox went belly up 20 years ago. Given the Bills and Sabres were both on shaky ground in the past 20 years, there's probably a zero chance of the NBA of all leagues ending up in WNY 1 Quote Twitter: @RyanMcD29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDAWG Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 I live in Dallas and the talk early in this NBA season was that if Texas ever legalized gambling outside of the Texas Lottery that the Dallas Mavericks will want a new arena that is the centerpiece of a Casino and entertainment complex in Dallas, leaving the American Airlines Center for the Stars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sykotyk Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 24 minutes ago, RyanMcD29 said: Eh, Rochester's in both the Sabres and Syracuse basketball spheres of influence for the winter, plus more importantly there's no real corporate support outside of Wegmans there since Kodak and Xerox went belly up 20 years ago. Given the Bills and Sabres were both on shaky ground in the past 20 years, there's probably a zero chance of the NBA of all leagues ending up in WNY At this point, almost every major market that doesn't already have a team has big red flags. And even those with teams are probably at their breaking point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
who do you think Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 3 hours ago, McCall said: But then you have markets like Pittsburgh, Kansas City, St. Louis, Montreal, New Jersey (again), as well as secondary markets like Louisville, that all have good arena situations (some newer and better than others), but they're options. On 6/6/2023 at 11:07 AM, who do you think said: There's a big drop off in viability after Seattle and Las Vegas that doesn't involve a) encroaching on another team's 150-mile territory, and/or b) adding another city to the map whose ceiling is yet another Utah/OKC/Milwaukee... cold, small, and um "pale" regions that can't attract top talent unless they draft it, and that talent almost always bolts for somewhere warmer and bigger as soon as possible regardless of how good the team is. We already have too many franchises like that. There is zero reason for the NBA to be screwing around in any of those places. RE New Orleans the league already bent over backwards for them once, they probably will again. They'll fight for Memphis and OKC too. The league likes places where they're the only major league game in town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 5 hours ago, McCall said: Actually, the NBA has a decent amount of legit markets to choose from if they so desire, probably more than any other league. Obviously, Seattle and Las Vegas lead the list. But then you have markets like Pittsburgh, Kansas City, St. Louis, Montreal, New Jersey (again), as well as secondary markets like Louisville, that all have good arena situations (some newer and better than others), but they're options. I'm not saying all should get a team, by any means, but people around here just take the whole NBA being in markets like Sacramento, OKC and Memphis, etc, to mean that any city should get a team when they shouldn't... like Albuquerque and Des Moines. I don't know. I've argued before that the continuum of pro sports team reception goes NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB: all you really need for an NBA team is a standard-issue post-Palace arena and the rest will take care of itself, while the requirements for a baseball team disqualify all but a few. (I guess you can put MLS before the NBA at this point. They're a cheap whore, they're ABA2000 for humanities majors. Twenty dollars and a scarf.) So sure, there are markets that could, theoretically, take on an NBA team. However, I think most of the ones that seem viable in theory have some sort of factor that would get in the way. You start getting into NHL teams controlling their master leases and not wanting to let the fox into the henhouse. You get the weird situation in Kansas City where they seem to prefer not having an anchor tenant at all. Newark, they'll never allow a C-team in a market. Go down the list and maybe you really are down to Omaha and El Paso. But more than that any of that, there just don't seem to be enough players. How do we stock two more rosters? Maybe the situation isn't as bad as I think it is and NBA fans are just weirdly snobbish about talent distribution (add it to the pile), but it seems like every draft lottery is a series of franchise death sentences and there aren't enough gangly Montenegrins overseas to cover that up. I remember the feeling was that the league was diluted even at 29 and the Bobcats at 30 took it too far. I don't think that has changed much in 20ish years. There aren't that many more tall guys. 2 Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walk-Off Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 (edited) Recently in this thread, at least one person has asked why so much of the current speculation regarding the NBA's next expansion favors Seattle and Las Vegas instead of, for instance, a pairing of Seattle and a much more easterly market. Also in this thread recently, at least one person has expressed doubt about the Timberwolves' long-term viability in Minnesota. How likely is it, then, that the NBA would rather add two teams out west so that the league can then prop up the T-Wolves through an easy realignment of that franchise into the Eastern Conference? A look at the great-circle distances between Minneapolis-Saint Paul International Airport and the predominant domestic and/or transborder commercial airports in every other current NBA market reveals (or at least suggests) that the next six closest NBA markets to the Twin Cities are all in the Eastern Conference -- Milwaukee, Chicago, Indianapolis, Detroit, Cleveland, and Toronto, to be exact. Edited June 13, 2023 by Walk-Off Updated the link due to an update to the linked map that includes a previously missing great-circle path between MSP and Sacramento International Airport 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
who do you think Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 1 hour ago, the admiral said: But more than that any of that, there just don't seem to be enough players. How do we stock two more rosters? Maybe the situation isn't as bad as I think it is and NBA fans are just weirdly snobbish about talent distribution (add it to the pile), but it seems like every draft lottery is a series of franchise death sentences and there aren't enough gangly Montenegrins overseas to cover that up. I remember the feeling was that the league was diluted even at 29 and the Bobcats at 30 took it too far. I don't think that has changed much in 20ish years. There aren't that many more tall guys. There's a lot more talent now than 20 years ago, especially after some early-00s rule changes to de-emphasize the importance of centers. The days of teams blowing their lottery picks on Johan Petro and Saer Sene just because they're tall are over, high schoolers were banned from the draft a while ago (but lord help us if they come back), and controlling jerkoffs like Larry Brown who habitually stepped on developing talent have mostly gone extinct. There are enough decent guys buried on rosters right now that could at least give theoretical teams 31 and 32 a much better start than the Bobcats. The question is why add two more teams when you don't have to? The NBA definitely doesn't have to expand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyJimmy Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 Hampton Roads. Hampton Roads. Hampton Roads. why have none of you brought up Hampton Roads. provided they get an arena, I think Norfolk/Virginia Beach absolutely deserve a shot at a major league team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
who do you think Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 No it doesn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walk-Off Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 Based upon what seem to be the most recent US television market size rankings by Nielsen, I think that some of the recent discussion of potential future NBA markets in this thread could use a step back into some realistic evaluation. Either Des Moines or Omaha as the home of a Central Plains NBA franchise? Nielsen ranks the Des Moines market at #68 in number of television households and lists the Omaha market even lower, at #73. Meanwhile, the TV market of Kansas City is the 33rd largest in the United States, according to Nielsen. Rochester as the base for an Upstate New York NBA team? Nielsen has the TV market anchored by Rochester (the NBA Royals / Kings franchise's first hometown) at #77, whereas the Buffalo market has been determined by Nielsen to have the nation's 54th highest number of TV households. To extend the comparison eastward along the New York State Thruway, the Nielsen-defined Syracuse market (whose Nationals NBA franchise was the basis for today's Philadelphia 76ers) is #85, the Utica market is #172, and the Albany-Schenectady-Troy market is #59. Hampton Roads? On one hand, Nielsen has ranked that region as the 44th largest US television market, which means more TV households than most of the markets mentioned so far in this post and also more TV households than Louisville (#48), the Albuquerque-Santa Fe area (#49), and three current NBA markets (Oklahoma City (#46), New Orleans (#50), and Memphis (#52)). On the other hand, the Hampton Roads region has a highly transient population due to Naval Station Norfolk and a heavy US military presence in general, one of the lowest per-capita incomes among US metropolitan areas of comparable size, and an even lower degree of obvious sources of corporate support than the likes of Rochester. As for Louisville, I am not particularly worried about that city's relative proximity to Indianapolis. Indiana as a whole is culturally, economically, and politically more Midwestern. Kentucky as a whole is culturally, economically, and politically more Southern. Thus, I think that Indianapolis and Louisville are distinct enough from each other to coexist easily in the same major professional team sports league. The things that do concern me with regard to Louisville's NBA prospects are the apparent lack of an obvious potential principal owner of a Louisville-based team in any major pro league, the University of Louisville's potential reluctance to share the KFC Yum! Center with an NBA team, and lingering questions over whether or not the older Freedom Hall arena can be brought up to the standards of today's NBA if UofL insists upon reserving the KFC Yum! Center for its own men's and women's basketball teams. Frankly, if I needed to make my own "out on a limb" suggestion for the site of a future NBA expansion team, I would pick Austin. Yes, Austin is relatively close to San Antonio. Yes, Austin's Nielsen-defined TV market is presently smaller (#35) than that of San Antonio (#31). However, Austin has a higher per-capita income than does San Antonio, and the Austin metro area's population has been growing steadily throughout the last 30 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 7 hours ago, JerseyJimmy said: Hampton Roads. Hampton Roads. Hampton Roads. why have none of you brought up Hampton Roads. provided they get an arena, I think Norfolk/Virginia Beach absolutely deserve a shot at a major league team. Their bid for the relocation of the Kings was a wet fart that, unlike the threats of Anaheim and Seattle, never went anywhere. A lot of that could have been the Maloofs, but Virginia Beach never really seemed to put it all together. 1 Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDAWG Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 10 hours ago, JerseyJimmy said: Hampton Roads. Hampton Roads. Hampton Roads. why have none of you brought up Hampton Roads. provided they get an arena, I think Norfolk/Virginia Beach absolutely deserve a shot at a major league team. Virginia's only shot at a major league team is if Northern Virginia becomes the new home of the Washington Commanders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCMODS Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 6 hours ago, GDAWG said: Virginia's only shot at a major league team is if Northern Virginia becomes the new home of the Washington Commanders. Instead of Northern Virginia how about the Norfolk area for an NFL team. Virginia Commanders would fit that area with the Navy shipyards. They could draw from Northeastern North Carolina as well. It would open up Washington as a relocation threat or a billion dollar expansion location. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyJimmy Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 18 hours ago, Walk-Off said: Frankly, if I needed to make my own "out on a limb" suggestion for the site of a future NBA expansion team, I would pick Austin. Yes, Austin is relatively close to San Antonio. Yes, Austin's Nielsen-defined TV market is presently smaller (#35) than that of San Antonio (#31). However, Austin has a higher per-capita income than does San Antonio, and the Austin metro area's population has been growing steadily throughout the last 30 years. I honestly think it's more likely that the Spurs move up to Austin down the line than an expansion team getting put there. also, wrong thread, but since your post brought up Albany, sometimes I wonder how they'd work as an NHL market. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habsfan1 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 It would be great to have the Sonics back. They're one of the first teams to introduce modernized takes on throwback uniforms, before the trend took off... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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