NFL 2023 Changes

[ltjets21]

15 minutes ago, monkeypower said:

I dont understand the oval with the throwback word mark. It should just be the old school helmet at the 50.

[Carolingian Steamroller]

2 hours ago, colinturner95 said:

Modell got hit by a lawsuit which resulted in the "Cleveland Deal" where the Browns ended up as a continuation of the original franchise, that had a period of inactivity,  that retained the branding, uniforms and history and Baltimore (while being made up of the moving Browns team) would be considered an expansion team beginning play in 1996 

 

Bud Adams moved the Oilers because he felt less and less confident in getting a new stadium in Houston. 

That's something to keep in mind was the Cleveland fought really hard to keep the Browns in Cleveland. I remember a big push in the press trying to keep the Browns.
 

The Oilers sort of left with a whimper. They'd been at or near the bottom in home attendance the three seasons prior to the move.

Then there was the weird limbo where they were based and practiced in Nashville but played the games in Memphis, which despite being in the same state are two very different towns. 

[DCarp1231]

The Colts may have skipped town in the dead of night in 1984, but at least they had the balls enough to keep the name

[FiddySicks]

41 minutes ago, Carolingian Steamroller said:

Then there was the weird limbo where they were based and practiced in Nashville but played the games in Memphis, which despite being in the same state are two very different towns. 

I remember this well. My dad’s family is from Memphis and I remember my cousin bringing home a Tennessee Oilers shirt. I also remember him throwing it away when he found out they were going to be based in Nashville (I also remember everyone being really pissed they weren’t getting a home game vs Dallas) Memphis wasn’t having any of that, being a two year stop on their way to Nashville, and I’m pretty sure they ended up in Vanderbilt’s stadium for the second year as the Oilers. 

[mafiaman]

On 7/25/2023 at 3:18 PM, Pigskin12 said:

You forgot the Colts and their super on-brand black helmets.

 

It’s funny how a few days of teams bringing back throwbacks has everyone fooled that uniform aesthetics are improving, yet we still have several teams doing stuff like this, which pretty much cancels out any “progress”.

Good heavens I completely forgot that one.  Yea, that outfit is ridiculous.  

[Carolingian Steamroller]

10 minutes ago, FiddySicks said:

I remember this well. My dad’s family is from Memphis and I remember my cousin bringing home a Tennessee Oilers shirt. I also remember him throwing it away when he found out they were going to be based in Nashville (I also remember everyone being really pissed they weren’t getting a home game vs Dallas) Memphis wasn’t having any of that, being a two year stop on their way to Nashville, and I’m pretty sure they ended up in Vanderbilt’s stadium for the second year as the Oilers. 

It was an arrangement that seemed to make nobody happy. Here's an article from the Memphis perspective.

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/columnists/geoff-calkins/2017/08/29/twenty-years-ago-memphis-told-nfl-and-oilers-now-titans-stick/610647001/

I also have family in Memphis (transplants) and I've been there several times, I can understand the hard feelings.

[monkeypower]

1 hour ago, ltjets21 said:

I dont understand the oval with the throwback word mark. It should just be the old school helmet at the 50.

 

The helmet would have been a neat touch to complete the throwback look but I think the oval is probably convenience. They bought the oval shape stencil for the primary logo and I could see it being the case where they decided to reuse it to separate the logo from the yard markers.

[tBBP]

2 hours ago, FiddySicks said:

No city deserves this kinda smoke more than Houston. Well done, Titans. 

 

Alright, I'll bite, only bcuz I'm curious: what did Houston do to you, my friend?

 

1 hour ago, FiddySicks said:

I remember this well. My dad’s family is from Memphis and I remember my cousin bringing home a Tennessee Oilers shirt. I also remember him throwing it away when he found out they were going to be based in Nashville (I also remember everyone being really pissed they weren’t getting a home game vs Dallas) Memphis wasn’t having any of that, being a two year stop on their way to Nashville, and I’m pretty sure they ended up in Vanderbilt’s stadium for the second year as the Oilers. 

 

Yeah that whole situation was ate up from the gate. The original plan was to play both '97 and '98 in Vanderbilt's stadium until Adelphia Coliseum (now Nissan Stadium) was completed in time for '99. The whole reason they ended up in Memphis in the first place was because Vanderbilt had a ban on alcohol sales in their venue. That said, a/ up until that point Memphis (like most of the rest of Tennessee at that time) was heavily Steelers/Cowboys—which Memphis still is to this day—and b/ well...

 

54 minutes ago, Carolingian Steamroller said:

I also have family in Memphis (transplants) and I've been there several times, I can understand the hard feelings.

 

Memphis specifically, but also the whole of West Tennessee, is the red-headed stepchild of the Volunteer State in that the heads who run the state keep forgetting that they exist...and it's evident in the overall lack of infrastructure development out there. Seriously, once you get past oh, say, Hurricane Mills, and at any rate west of the Tennessee River, whatever niceness you may perceive of the state seems to drop right off a cliff...along with the topography turning flatter and not-as-scenic (trying to be nice here). It's really an [unfortunate] tale of two Tennessees...and Memphis has long borne the brunt of that neglect among other things, still does to this day. (Oh and the vitriol in Memphis toward Nashville is still all the way real.)

[FiddySicks]

3 hours ago, tBBP said:

 

Alright, I'll bite, only bcuz I'm curious: what did Houston do to you, my friend?

It’s mostly just a gentle ribbing for all of the controversy recently. That and the Rockets were annoying as all hell during the Warriors run. I’m a Giants fan so I mostly think it’s funny as all hell what happened to the Dodgers in 2017 rather than outrageous, but yeah, that was kind of outrageous.

 

Also I feel like Houston barely put up a fight to keep the Oilers, only so they could be replaced by the most generic and forgettable team in the NFL. I really don’t get some of the 90s NFL moves. Oilers, who rocked, bounced because they were scared they wouldn’t get a new stadium, just so they could get replaced by an expansion team, the Texans, who are a snooze fest, who had basically zero issue getting a new stadium. It all just seems so frivolous, shortsighted, and reactionary. It’s like Jacksonville getting a team over Baltimore which led to the whole Browns controversy. Like, ultimately, was ANY of that actually necessary? 

[Old School Fool]

Oilers in Vanderbilt Stadium was so bad. They had to use the college's turf design the whole season which is insane. Say what you want but at least the Liberty Bowl allowed them to put Oilers in the endzone and rid it of the college stuff.

 

 

Interestingly enough, the Nashville Parthenon was visible from the stadium in a bit of foreshadowing of the Titans name.

 

[Cirko]

On 7/28/2023 at 6:50 AM, Carolingian Steamroller said:

It was an arrangement that seemed to make nobody happy. Here's an article from the Memphis perspective.

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/columnists/geoff-calkins/2017/08/29/twenty-years-ago-memphis-told-nfl-and-oilers-now-titans-stick/610647001/

I also have family in Memphis (transplants) and I've been there several times, I can understand the hard feelings.

 

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The article says it takes 3 hours to drive from Nashville to Memphis. I can understand why many people were dissatisfied. 3 hours one way, then 3 hours back. It's really tiring.

Hi all!

[PlayGloria]

4 hours ago, FiddySicks said:

It’s mostly just a gentle ribbing for all of the controversy recently. That and the Rockets were annoying as all hell during the Warriors run. I’m a Giants fan so I mostly think it’s funny as all hell what happened to the Dodgers in 2017 rather than outrageous, but yeah, that was kind of outrageous.

 

Also I feel like Houston barely put up a fight to keep the Oilers, only so they could be replaced by the most generic and forgettable team in the NFL. I really don’t get some of the 90s NFL moves. Oilers, who rocked, bounced because they were scared they wouldn’t get a new stadium, just so they could get replaced by an expansion team, the Texans, who are a snooze fest, who had basically zero issue getting a new stadium. It all just seems so frivolous, shortsighted, and reactionary. It’s like Jacksonville getting a team over Baltimore which led to the whole Browns controversy. Like, ultimately, was ANY of that actually necessary? 

 

As a St. Louisan, that entire situation pisses me off too. The Jags were this close to being the St. Louis Stallions. If that happens, we probably still have a team, the Rams never leave LA, Chargers would have eventually figured out something in San Diego where they belong. 

Oh well... at least we had the Greatest Show on Turf years, I guess. 

[tBBP]

1 minute ago, Cirko said:

The article says it takes 3 hours to drive from Nashville to Memphis. I can understand why many people were dissatisfied. 3 hours one way, then 3 hours back. It's really tiring.

Hi all!

 

Which doesn't take into the account the major construction taking place on I-40 between the two at the time—which made it even worse. (A pain I know ALL too well having lived and worked in Tennessee, traveling between the two, for five years.)

[PlayGloria]

1 minute ago, PlayGloria said:

 

As a St. Louisan, that entire situation pisses me off too. The Jags were this close to being the St. Louis Stallions. If that happens, we probably still have a team, the Rams never leave LA, Chargers would have eventually figured out something in San Diego where they belong. 

Oh well... at least we had the Greatest Show on Turf years, I guess. 

 

Plus, to piggy back off of my own post, if you look at the design of the never-to-be STL Stallions, you can see that the Broncos basically ripped there current helmet design right from it. Every time i see the broncos helmet, it makes me wonder what could have been. 

 

[BBTV]

4 hours ago, FiddySicks said:

Also I feel like Houston barely put up a fight to keep the Oilers,

 

So you're vindictive against a community where 1) nobody under 25 ever even saw the Oilers, and nobody under 30 even remembers them, and none of them had anything to do with the move, and 2) the owner was strongarming the city to pay 75% in public money for a new stadium?  Not sure what you would have had them do.  Unlike the A's situation, Houston basically said F-off to Adams after it leaked that he was in bed with Nashville, and I find it hard to blame them - or wish any ill will on them.

[BBTV]

44 minutes ago, PlayGloria said:

 

As a St. Louisan, that entire situation pisses me off too. The Jags were this close to being the St. Louis Stallions. If that happens, we probably still have a team, the Rams never leave LA, Chargers would have eventually figured out something in San Diego where they belong. 

Oh well... at least we had the Greatest Show on Turf years, I guess. 

 

Help me understand the logic here.  The Stallions would have been playing in the same lousy TWA Dome that the Rams eventually abandoned (albeit they had established an agenda towards the end).  It's not safe to assume that the city would have maintained it any better than they did when the Rams were there.

 

The Rams could have still left, as there were a few open markets at that time (Nashville for example).  I get that Georgia Frontiere had St. Louis roots, but if they wanted to move, they still could have.

 

The Chargers were never going to "figure out something" in San Diego, and may have ended up being the first team to return to LA.  In this scenario, the only way history is dramatically different is that it may have been the Raiders and Chargers sharing LA.

[PlayGloria]

4 minutes ago, BBTV said:

 

Help me understand the logic here.  The Stallions would have been playing in the same lousy TWA Dome that the Rams eventually abandoned (albeit they had established an agenda towards the end).  It's not safe to assume that the city would have maintained it any better than they did when the Rams were there.

 

The Rams could have still left, as there were a few open markets at that time (Nashville for example).  I get that Georgia Frontiere had St. Louis roots, but if they wanted to move, they still could have.

 

The Chargers were never going to "figure out something" in San Diego, and may have ended up being the first team to return to LA.  In this scenario, the only way history is dramatically different is that it may have been the Raiders and Chargers sharing LA.

 

Oh trust me, my revisionist history is definitely looking at the situation through St. Louisan colored glasses 

The Dome sucked at the end, but the city passed a bill for a new stadium before the Rams left. And that was for a team that had no desire to stay. I'm sure working together with an expansion franchise like the Stallions that would have wanted to be here would have been even more constructive. But that's an entirely different conversation. And I have no doubt that our garbage political atmosphere would have screwed up that hypothetical situation as well. 

 

As far as the other teams moving, sure anything could have happened. I just always wondered where we would be if STL would have gotten the Stallions.  Relocations suck. It just never feels right. Especially when you've lived through two of them 

[MCM0313]

1 hour ago, PlayGloria said:

 

Plus, to piggy back off of my own post, if you look at the design of the never-to-be STL Stallions, you can see that the Broncos basically ripped there current helmet design right from it. Every time i see the broncos helmet, it makes me wonder what could have been. 

 

Eh. A lot of what made the Broncos’ 1997 redesign stand out was in the striping (helmet, jersey, pants). There’s nothing all that original about having a horse head in profile on the side of the helmet. 

[MCM0313]

33 minutes ago, BBTV said:

 

So you're vindictive against a community where 1) nobody under 25 ever even saw the Oilers, and nobody under 30 even remembers them, and none of them had anything to do with the move, and 2) the owner was strongarming the city to pay 75% in public money for a new stadium?  Not sure what you would have had them do.  Unlike the A's situation, Houston basically said F-off to Adams after it leaked that he was in bed with Nashville, and I find it hard to blame them - or wish any ill will on them.

Looking at what Bud Adams did in hindsight, it’s very clear that he was the unreasonable one. 
 

The 1987-93 Oilers made the playoffs seven consecutive seasons. Seven! That’s a lot. But they never got farther than the divisional round. 
 

After the embarrassment of the 1992 team’s playoff meltdown in Buffalo, Adams basically issued a Super Bowl-or-bust ultimatum for the 1993 season. 
 

The 1993 Oilers started 1-4, but then hit their stride, winning 11 straight to close the season. They tied with Dallas and Buffalo for the league’s best record, and earned the AFC’s second seed and a first-round bye. Unfortunately, that was the year Joe Montana came to the Chiefs, and he orchestrated one of his patented comebacks in the divisional round to sink the Oilers. 
 

Adams had threatened to break up his very good team, and he was true to his word. Most significantly, HoF QB Warren Moon, the heart of the run-and-shoot offense that had made the team so much fun to watch, was shipped to Minnesota. A demoralized Oilers crumbled to a league-worst 2-14 record in 1994, and by the end of that season Jeff Fisher had begun his long stint as the team’s head coach. 
 

Admittedly, I don’t know when Adams’ feud with the city began, but the whole ultimatum, then disbanding the team, seems in hindsight like a calculated move to disengage the team’s fans and further strengthen the argument for getting out of town. Ultimately, they would leave Houston after the 1996 season; the city wouldn’t host a playoff game again until the Texans’ first division title (2011, I think?). 

[fouhy12]

11 hours ago, monkeypower said:

So this confirms the Jets will wear the black uniforms with the one remaining alternate slot, and they will wear them at home, both as expected. Looking at the schedule, I'm assuming those will be worn either on Monday Night Football against the Chargers in week 9 or on Black Friday against Miami in week 12. 

 

The Jets have hosted MNF three times since this new uniform set was unveiled, with two against the Patriots. They wore all black with green helmets in 2020 in week 9 and all green with white socks in 2019 in week 7 against New England and wore the all black with green helmets in 2019 against the Browns in week 2. 

 

Obviously, the Black Friday game is new. If I got to pick, I'd wear the black uniform then. It just makes too much sense. 

 

I'm curious if they'd use the black logo if/when they go white over black at home.