TBGKon Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 http://www.arenafootball.com/news/index.html?article_id=193Apparently there will be an expansion announcement during halftime of tonight's Jacksonville-Orlando game, not too clear if it's the official word on Philly, San Jose, and KC or if it's something new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 It's official, heard it earlier on the NFL Network that the Soul, Brigade and Sabercats are all returning as expansion in 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac the Knife Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Those cities returning to the AFL fold are a good thing. But one sentence near the end of the halftime 'show' made my stomach churn a little. Essentially, Jerry Kurz said additional expansion was forthcoming soon. That's bad.Why is it bad?First, because I personally doubt all 15 teams from 2010 will return. Gate attendance being everything in the AFL, 10,000 seems to be a benchmark for profitability, and there are a few franchises that aren't anywhere close to that number - and won't be. Consequently, I expect those teams to be gone after 2010, 2011 at the latest.Second, this expansion repeats the cycle that caused the demise of the original league -- over-expanding and, in the process, financing the league's losses with expansion fees. As was the case with the original AFL, eventually, they'll run out of suckers to buy expansion teams at $10M a clip... and as soon as they do, they'd be dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodboy13 Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Mac, I think it's important to take into account a couple of things. First, it was my understanding that several ownership groups intentionally sat out this reboot, while they explored the prospects of starting their own league. It appears they've realized those prospects were slim and none, and seem to be coming into the fold of this (allegedly) more fiscally responsible league. Second, I recall that sometime around the initial rebirth, the heads of the new league expressed a desire to establish a two-tiered system. For 2010, I think the plan was to just scrounge together whatever teams were left standing to make a playable league. For the long-term, a split back to major and second/third-tier markets would appear to be the plan to get everyone operating within their means as much as possible. On 1/25/2013 at 1:53 PM, 'Atom said: For all the bird de lis haters I think the bird de lis isnt supposed to be a pelican and a fleur de lis I think its just a fleur de lis with a pelicans head. Thats what it looks like to me. Also the flair around the tip of the beak is just flair that fleur de lis have sometimes source I am from NOLA. PotD: 10/19/07, 08/25/08, 07/22/10, 08/13/10, 04/15/11, 05/19/11, 01/02/12, and 01/05/12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac the Knife Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Mac, I think it's important to take into account a couple of things. First, it was my understanding that several ownership groups intentionally sat out this reboot, while they explored the prospects of starting their own league. It appears they've realized those prospects were slim and none, and seem to be coming into the fold of this (allegedly) more fiscally responsible league. Second, I recall that sometime around the initial rebirth, the heads of the new league expressed a desire to establish a two-tiered system. For 2010, I think the plan was to just scrounge together whatever teams were left standing to make a playable league. For the long-term, a split back to major and second/third-tier markets would appear to be the plan to get everyone operating within their means as much as possible.The group that sat out, with the exception of the Sabercats ownership group, has stayed out, or at least the principals behind them have. It's my understanding that the Philadelphia and Kansas City "reboots" are under new majority owners, with only San Jose's principal owner returning to head up a resurrected club.I would've thought the two-tier system had been abandoned, but you may be right... and if you are, that's an even sorrier notion unless it's handled very, very carefully.It'll be interesting to see what teams from 2010 return. If it's all 15, great. But if it's a repeat of the original AFL's revolving door of franchise relocations and disbandments (if "disbandments" is a word), it'll be same ol', same ol', which spells death long-term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Rumored MovesLooks like the Georgia Force and New Orleans VooDoo are coming back. This time through moves, the Bossier-Shreveport Battlewings and the Alabama Vipers are both moving, Wings to NO and Vipers are rumored to be going to Gwinnett to become the Force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashcarson15 Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Rumored MovesLooks like the Georgia Force and New Orleans VooDoo are coming back. This time through moves, the Bossier-Shreveport Battlewings and the Alabama Vipers are both moving, Wings to NO and Vipers are rumored to be going to Gwinnett to become the Force.The two teams with the lowest attendance in the league are moving, a good sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETROJR79 Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 Whats are the chance that LA get a team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 Pittsburgh Joins AFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZapRowsdower8 Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Pittsburgh Joins AFLMy brother just texted me that the rumor going around town is that the team is going to be called (sigh) The Pittsburgh River Wizards. Press conference is later this morning.Update: They will be the Pittsburgh Power. I think I preferred River Wizards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac the Knife Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 The Alabama Vipers are becoming the new Georgia Force. It'll be announced Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Spokane are the Arena Bowl Champions, from AF2 Champions in 2009, to Arena Bowl Champions this year, remarkable story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 With all the expansion and relocation, this is how the AFL could look next yearNational ConferenceNorthern DivisionChicago RushCleveland GladiatorsMilwaukee IronPhiladelphia SoulPittsburgh IronSouthern DivisionGeorgia Force(Formerly Alabama Vipers)Jacksonville SharksNew Orleans VooDoo(Formerly Bossier-Shreveport BattlewingsTampa Bay StormOrlando StormAmerican ConferenceCentral DivisionColorado Crush(Rumored to be Oklahoma City moving)Dallas VigilantesKansas City BrigadeIowa BarnstormersTulsa TalonsWestern DivisionArizona RattlersSan Jose SabercatsSpokane ShockUtah Blaze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Spokane are the Arena Bowl Champions, from AF2 Champions in 2009, to Arena Bowl Champions this year, remarkable storyAnd a lovely pregame pep-talk from the head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvrdgsfn Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 Spokane are the Arena Bowl Champions, from AF2 Champions in 2009, to Arena Bowl Champions this year, remarkable storyAnd a lovely pregame pep-talk from the head coach.That was pretty awesomehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nq95hH_TxU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 Looks like a done deal with Oklahoma City moving to Seattle(Insert NBA-AFL Joke Here), and Bossier to Nashville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBGKon Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 Looks like a done deal with Oklahoma City moving to Seattle(Insert NBA-AFL Joke Here), and Bossier to NashvilleSo we're going to have Seattle intruding in on Spokane and Bossier going to Nashville instead of NOLA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 Looks like a done deal with Oklahoma City moving to Seattle(Insert NBA-AFL Joke Here), and Bossier to NashvilleI assume the Seattle team is playing in Kent, right? On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBGKon Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 Looks like a done deal with Oklahoma City moving to Seattle(Insert NBA-AFL Joke Here), and Bossier to NashvilleI assume the Seattle team is playing in Kent, right?I wouldn't be so sure of that, Kent's arena is only 6,500 seats which seems very small by AFL standrds (the smallest arena this past season was Alabama's Von Braun Center, which is no defunct.The KeyArena could work, it would be an awkward setup, but do-able. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 Looks like a done deal with Oklahoma City moving to Seattle(Insert NBA-AFL Joke Here), and Bossier to NashvilleI assume the Seattle team is playing in Kent, right?From what I read from the team would be playing at Key Arena in Seattle Edit: Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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