NFL '13 SEASON THREAD

[vmd9]

On the flipside. If Trent tears his ACL next game, don't the Browns look like geniuses?

[Sport]

Even if the trade can be rationalized (and my friends on social media sure are trying), the Browns just punted on this year and the next. This feels like a lowpoint for an already low fanbase. I don't know if things can get any worse.

I'm thankful for the free wins though.

edit: part of the rationalization seems to be "he was in the process of becoming a bust so might as well get something for him now". I guess that's true, but I wouldn't be surprised if he flourished with the Colts. Cleveland is where good college players go to become busts. The infrastructure for young players to succeed isn't there and the more they keep trying the same thing over and over again the more it's going to happen over and over again.

The franchise needs a complete cleansing top to bottom. It'll be 4 years before they're even competitive for the playoffs again and that's if they make all the right decisions and they get some lucky breaks in this new rebuild, which they haven't shown they're capable of since 1999. Things are dark in Cleveland right now. I have a lot of good friends who are Browns fans who I honestly feel terrible for because they are great fans.

[Kramerica Industries]

No, they don't, because torn ACL's aren't progressive injuries; they happen in an instant.

It would be a bad process that yielded a god result. Don't count on that continuing to happen.

[dfwabel]

Even if the trade can be rationalized (and my friends on social media sure are trying), the Browns just punted on this year and the next. This feels like a lowpoint for an already low fanbase. I don't know if things can get any worse.

I'm thankful for the free wins though.

Rookie QB are leading teams to the playoffs more than ever. Don't be so sure in a league currently built on parity.

[infrared41]

Even if the trade can be rationalized (and my friends on social media sure are trying), the Browns just punted on this year and the next. This feels like a lowpoint for an already low fanbase. I don't know if things can get any worse.

Exactly. And with that, I am out of -s to give about the Cleveland Browns. What a -ing joke of a franchise. They don't deserve to wear the colors or keep the name of the franchise they replaced.

[infrared41]

PS: Thank the Good Lord for NFL Sunday Ticket. Unlike a lot of my fellow Ohioans, I won't be stuck watching the *Cleveland NFL franchise on TV every Sunday.

*Henceforth, I will not sully the name and history the real Cleveland Browns by referring to whatever that is posing as an NFL franchise in Cleveland as the Browns.

[Norva]

Well, thank you Browns for making me feel a little better about being a Bucs fan.

I wonder if there was some reason behind this trade we don't know about? I mean, I don't want to insinuate Richardson has a bad character or something it just seems so out of left field. Maybe he requested a trade to the FO?

[vmd9]

Well, thank you Browns for making me feel a little better about being a Bucs fan.

I wonder if there was some reason behind this trade we don't know about? I mean, I don't want to insinuate Richardson has a bad character or something it just seems so out of left field. Maybe he requested a trade to the FO?

Reports were that they wanted to "prove that no player was untouchable." So they got rid of their best player for nothing.

Richardson is a class act and will be very successful in Indy.

[FiddySicks]

I had a very strong feeling that a running back was going to be traded in the next week or so. But I'm absolutely stunned that running back wasn't MJD.

WTF Browns? Can we just take 1999 back and act like that never happened?

[dfwabel]

Front offices and coaches of the NFL are the epitome of risk advoidance; I like them at least trying something new and taking a risk. $hit in the last decade really did not work. Chances are they are going to be fired regardless, so why not take risks and try "something new". Taking risks in other areas of business is applauded, but in sport, it is frowned upon.

[See Red]

I don't know what they were thinking but frankly, the only RBs in the NFL that are untouchable are those that are on the Adrian Peterson tier of RBs. So, basically... Adrian Peterson. Perhaps the new Browns front office doesn't place such a high premium on RBs. The Colts aren't as good as their record indicated last year, so it may not be such a bad pick, but granted they will be better with Richardson.

I don't think it's a particularly good move, but I'm not going to be too quick to dismiss it as a terrible one.

Frankly, I think a good RB is a dime a dozen and given the choice between a guy like Richardson and a first round pick taking a different position, I wouldn't be against it. Granted, I'm not sure how likely it is that the Browns pick a good player with the pick anyways.

[tBBP]

Hahahaha...and guess who just happens to have a place right down the street from Lucas Oil Stadium?

From one Pensacola FL native to another...welcome to the Circle City, Trent. [They] have pork chops. And lots and lots of blue Kool-aid.

[Kramerica Industries]

I don't know what they were thinking but frankly, the only RBs in the NFL that are untouchable are those that are on the Adrian Peterson tier of RBs. So, basically... Adrian Peterson. Perhaps the new Browns front office doesn't place such a high premium on RBs. The Colts aren't as good as their record indicated last year, so it may not be such a bad pick, but granted they will be better with Richardson.

I don't think it's a particularly good move, but I'm not going to be too quick to dismiss it as a terrible one.

Frankly, I think a good RB is a dime a dozen and given the choice between a guy like Richardson and a first round pick taking a different position, I wouldn't be against it. Granted, I'm not sure how likely it is that the Browns pick a good player with the pick anyways.

In other words, what you're saying is that it was a terrible decision to draft a running back with the third overall pick, which, in the end, still points to the Browns being a pretty terribly run organization.

[AHcreative]

Condolences to all of the Browns fans out there. I know you are all loyal fans and every season it just seems like more and more crap happens to the franchise.

[dfwabel]

I don't know what they were thinking but frankly, the only RBs in the NFL that are untouchable are those that are on the Adrian Peterson tier of RBs. So, basically... Adrian Peterson. Perhaps the new Browns front office doesn't place such a high premium on RBs. The Colts aren't as good as their record indicated last year, so it may not be such a bad pick, but granted they will be better with Richardson.

I don't think it's a particularly good move, but I'm not going to be too quick to dismiss it as a terrible one.

Frankly, I think a good RB is a dime a dozen and given the choice between a guy like Richardson and a first round pick taking a different position, I wouldn't be against it. Granted, I'm not sure how likely it is that the Browns pick a good player with the pick anyways.

In the last five seasons, the NFL's leading rusher has made the playoffs TWICE. That RB was Adrian Peterson on '08 and '12 and both times they lost on Wildcard Weekend.

It is a passing league and the need of a good-to-great QB is as essential than ever.

Again, we just had the two highest passing yardage weeks in NFL history and week 1 had the most TD passes in a week ever.

[See Red]

I don't know what they were thinking but frankly, the only RBs in the NFL that are untouchable are those that are on the Adrian Peterson tier of RBs. So, basically... Adrian Peterson. Perhaps the new Browns front office doesn't place such a high premium on RBs. The Colts aren't as good as their record indicated last year, so it may not be such a bad pick, but granted they will be better with Richardson.

I don't think it's a particularly good move, but I'm not going to be too quick to dismiss it as a terrible one.

Frankly, I think a good RB is a dime a dozen and given the choice between a guy like Richardson and a first round pick taking a different position, I wouldn't be against it. Granted, I'm not sure how likely it is that the Browns pick a good player with the pick anyways.

In other words, what you're saying is that it was a terrible decision to draft a running back with the third overall pick, which, in the end, still points to the Browns being a pretty terribly run organization.

Well there's no doubting that the Browns haven't been a well-run organization. But wasn't that particular pick a past regime?

Frankly, I think taking a RB with the #3 pick is a very bad decision. There's a reason we didn't see a RB taken in this years draft until the mid-second round. In my opinion, is the production you get out of Trent Richardson so much better than what you're going to get out of a group featuring someone like Willis McGahee or whomever else is out there?

I agree with dfwabel (which doesn't happen often)... it's a passing league and it's just heading more and more that way.

[DS729]

I don't know what they were thinking but frankly, the only RBs in the NFL that are untouchable are those that are on the Adrian Peterson tier of RBs. So, basically... Adrian Peterson. Perhaps the new Browns front office doesn't place such a high premium on RBs. The Colts aren't as good as their record indicated last year, so it may not be such a bad pick, but granted they will be better with Richardson.

I don't think it's a particularly good move, but I'm not going to be too quick to dismiss it as a terrible one.

Frankly, I think a good RB is a dime a dozen and given the choice between a guy like Richardson and a first round pick taking a different position, I wouldn't be against it. Granted, I'm not sure how likely it is that the Browns pick a good player with the pick anyways.

In the last five seasons, the NFL's leading rusher has made the playoffs TWICE. That RB was Adrian Peterson on '08 and '12 and both times they lost on Wildcard Weekend.

It is a passing league and the need of a good-to-great QB is as essential than ever.

Again, we just had the two highest passing yardage weeks in NFL history and week 1 had the most TD passes in a week ever.

Yes, but last year Joe Webb was QB for the Vikings... JOE WEBB! Ap was the team last year.

[See Red]

I don't know what they were thinking but frankly, the only RBs in the NFL that are untouchable are those that are on the Adrian Peterson tier of RBs. So, basically... Adrian Peterson. Perhaps the new Browns front office doesn't place such a high premium on RBs. The Colts aren't as good as their record indicated last year, so it may not be such a bad pick, but granted they will be better with Richardson.

I don't think it's a particularly good move, but I'm not going to be too quick to dismiss it as a terrible one.

Frankly, I think a good RB is a dime a dozen and given the choice between a guy like Richardson and a first round pick taking a different position, I wouldn't be against it. Granted, I'm not sure how likely it is that the Browns pick a good player with the pick anyways.

In the last five seasons, the NFL's leading rusher has made the playoffs TWICE. That RB was Adrian Peterson on '08 and '12 and both times they lost on Wildcard Weekend.

It is a passing league and the need of a good-to-great QB is as essential than ever.

Again, we just had the two highest passing yardage weeks in NFL history and week 1 had the most TD passes in a week ever.

Yes, but last year Joe Webb was QB for the Vikings... JOE WEBB! Ap was the team last year.

Christian Ponder was the QB, actually.

And like I said, Adrian Peterson is the exception to the rule. There's the Adrian Peterson tier of RB's, which conists of only Adrian Peterson, and everybody who's not on that tier is expendable if the price is right, in my opinion. Though some are less expendable than others.

[DS729]

I don't know what they were thinking but frankly, the only RBs in the NFL that are untouchable are those that are on the Adrian Peterson tier of RBs. So, basically... Adrian Peterson. Perhaps the new Browns front office doesn't place such a high premium on RBs. The Colts aren't as good as their record indicated last year, so it may not be such a bad pick, but granted they will be better with Richardson.

I don't think it's a particularly good move, but I'm not going to be too quick to dismiss it as a terrible one.

Frankly, I think a good RB is a dime a dozen and given the choice between a guy like Richardson and a first round pick taking a different position, I wouldn't be against it. Granted, I'm not sure how likely it is that the Browns pick a good player with the pick anyways.

In the last five seasons, the NFL's leading rusher has made the playoffs TWICE. That RB was Adrian Peterson on '08 and '12 and both times they lost on Wildcard Weekend.

It is a passing league and the need of a good-to-great QB is as essential than ever.

Again, we just had the two highest passing yardage weeks in NFL history and week 1 had the most TD passes in a week ever.

Yes, but last year Joe Webb was QB for the Vikings... JOE WEBB! Ap was the team last year.

Christian Ponder was the QB, actually.

And like I said, Adrian Peterson is the exception to the rule. There's the Adrian Peterson tier of RB's, which conists of only Adrian Peterson, and everybody who's not on that tier is expendable if the price is right, in my opinion. Though some are less expendable than others.

I thought... Christian Ponder... was.... injured. Unless I'm wrong.

[ninersdd]

He was, just for the playoff game.