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  1. That's a fascinating way in which the city formed. I was learning a little bit about the history when looking into Dean Corll (who committed most of the murders in The Heights and a few other suburbs). One thing came up with great frequency, namely how the city went through a boom and its relatively small police force couldn't keep up (and refused federal aid, because the chief of police was a c-word). I can see how that hinders a national narrative, especially compared to the other Texas metropoles. So to be a little more precise (again ) A lot of Houston can be broken up between 4 types of areas by their formation: -Some dude bought land and realized it was worth a lot more as real estate or housing development than it was as cattle grass (see: River Oaks) -Exxon or a subsidiary bought land and realized it was worth a lot more as real estate or housing development in between the oil fields and refineries (see: Kingwood, Clear Lake) -The wards -Some dudes from New York decide to buy some ranch and swamp land and start the city (Downtown). Each neighborhood feels like its own town, though, with its own set of residents, distinctions and feel to it. None of these neighborhoods really fit together, though, which makes Houston different in that aspect.. Back to unpopular opinions! Every team playing at the FBS level should use a custom number font. Whether that be a modified block similar to Michigan or UNC, a stylized modern block like Michigan State or Texas A&M, or whether it be something like Iowa State, Arkansas (when they wear their superior 2018 uniforms), or Illinois. Every team needs their own custom font, and it should be able to stretch across all of their sports. (this is a refinement of a previous unpopular opinion I made a few years back, so what)
  2. I suppose I forgot about Travis Scott. Like everyone knows Beyonce is from Houston, but the way Travis has taken ownership of Houston with his music (Astroworld was especially huge in Houston, both the thee park and the record even more-so) has kinda been a really cool thing that I didn't think I would ever see. A bunch of people at my school own astroworld stuff, and I know a few with Cactus Jack Jordan 4's specifically because they have the Oilers colors (see: indicative of Houston and its identity). So there is that. NASA is also big, but it's pretty out of the way. From where I live, JSC and Space Center Houston is a solid 40 minute drive without traffic, and no one really goes down there unless they're on their way to Kemah or Galveston. I would love for it to be a bigger part of Houston's identity, but most people I interact with on a day-to-day basis are a few degrees of separation from anyone who works there (This is unlike Enron, in which I could name about 10 people I got to school with whose parents worked for the Crooked E). To be a little more specific, Houston doesn't have any sort of national narrative. It's hard to explain, but the easiest way to think of Houston is that it's just a collection of small towns that kinda have to act as a singular unit because they accidentally expanded on top of one another, save for the medical center and downtown, which were built because the city acted like a city. Therefore, it can't really create a national narrative like New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Atlanta, or to keep it in state, Dallas, San Antonio, or Austin. There are very few (if any) generalizations to make about the city, and that's rooted in the fact that there isn't a culture here that's become nationally (and very often locally) relevant. As far as Wes Anderson, only film lovers know he's from Houston and filmed his first movie at St. John's.
  3. @Ice_Cap THAT is an unpopular opinion right there. Ask anyone from a city whose sports teams were relocated, and I promise only an increasingly few amount of people care about the history pre-relocation. The Tennessee Oilers are a bad idea for a lot of reasons. I doubt anyone in the city of Houston would buy merch that even though looks like what it did in Houston, has Mariota's name and number on the back. Even general t-shirts or cups or anything, it wouldn't appeal to anyone here because everyone old enough to remember knows how awful Bud Adams was about the stadium demands. He was an awful pr guy and Lanier as able to paint him as a villain, and the city and its people haven't forgiven him and his family for the blowing up of the '91 team or (more importantly) the relocation. But I digress. People in Tennessee don't give 2 :censored:s about Earl Campbell, Billy Cannon, Warren Moon, Dan Pastorini, Robert Brazile, so on and so forth. The people of Houston do. It makes no sense to make the argument based on aesthetics alone to dictate the identity of a relocated sports team. Specifically in the Titans/Oilers situation, the Oilers while in Tennessee were very mediocre and posted some of the worst attendance numbers in the post-merger era. Although the stadium choice and hastened move by Adams had a lot to do with this, identity played a key part in this. People were going to be showing up for Houston's team, playing in Tennessee. Only when the Titans rebranded and a new stadium was built did they sell out in Tennessee. @SFGiants58 Your arguments on the aesthetics of the Oilers are completely valid, and after explaining your problem with the striping, I can understand where and why you stand the way you do on the Oilers. However, there are some things I feel like I should further explain or clear up. That's reasonable, especially when the color scheme and uniforms were so unique. The other team simply hasn't had room to grow, being a relatively-young expansion club. Unchanged doesn't equal good. I find the Texans' logo far more compelling and an excellent adaptation of the state flag. The "Houston" angle is appreciated, but the Texans' logo does lay claim to the idea that the Texans represent all of non-Dallas-Ft. Worth Texas. I like that as a way to stick it to the hegemonic Cowboys. That's not necessarily what I meant but I get why you would interpret that to be what I meant. My main argument on that point was that it did its best in 1960 terms to derive the best way to represent a team named the Oilers. Are there better, more interesting ways to do it now? Absolutely, however at that point it did it's job and still looked serviceable at worst (and darn good at best) on a helmet despite its verticality. I just disagree that it's clip-art-y. At the very least it looks good despite being similar to clip art, and the logo would fit in well with the modern NFL. I mean yeah that makes sense. I'm often nostalgic for the Brooklyn Dodgers and, weirdly, Enron. However, the idea of that saying "Houston" isn't necessarily just nostalgia. I don't feel like I said this enough. Houston has about as little culture imaginable for any city, let alone the 4th largest city in the US. The closest shared experiences we have are Harvey, traffic, and the Astros. The reason I didn't include the Rockets is because they feel more global than local, although many in Houston, including myself, are Rockets fans (the case would be different in 1995 but whatever). The Oilers, until they left, were possibly the single most unifying part of Houston's identity. Even if you weren't a football fan, the Oilers meant something to you. The Luv Ya Blue stuff really was a huge thing here and will always be a part of what being a Houstonian is.
  4. As someone who has been born and raised here (in Houston), I can tell you certainly that almost every person older than 30 (and many younger) thinks the Oilers have some of the best uniforms of all time. Most don't care enough to follow this uniform :censored: but they remember the Oilers' and their bitchin' identity. The identity became something larger than just the team. It was Houston's first professional sports team, and for many in and around Houston, one of only a few things tying the surround area to the city and its (admittedly weak) culture. There was something intrinsically Houston, Texas about the Oilers, and my parents and their friends are old enough to remember Earl Campbell and Warren Moon and everything that happened. They light up when I ask them about the Oilers, but it . It's a real, genuine feeling that goes beyond simply remembering some exciting moments. It's inherent to almost every native (and many transplant) Houstonians: the Oilers mean something to a city that doesn't have much to care about in terms of culture, and even now have a greater impact on that culture than the Texans. The show the extent of how little the Texans and their identity have shaped Houston as a whole is to look at my friend group. Me (a Lions fan, because when I was 6 I thought their logo and colors were super cool, as well as Calvin) A Panthers Fan A Saints Fan A fan of players, not a team A Browns fan A Seahawks fan A Texans fan All of us are reasonably big football fans, some more than others, but more importantly we only remember a time where the Texans existed. Of course we all watch the games, because it's what's on CBS on sundays, but none of us (even the Texans fan) find it to be must-watch tv. The identity plays a big part in that. The Texans really look boring as hell. Above is what I believe to be their two best looks of last year. Don't get me wrong, they're good looks. The way that the navy and red are able to play off each other, a minimal design that works well with the logo, one of the best number fonts in professional football. In fact, the only thing I would change is getting rid of the wordmark on the front (Actual unpopular opinion apparently??? NFL teams shouldn't have wordmarks on the front of their jerseys??), other than that, I think it's one of the prettiest looks to come after the turn of the century. Despite all this, they are literally the blandest look in the NFL. Their visual identity has no excuse of being before the time of digital graphics or modern uniform manufacturing like many of the older teams in the league, it just has no value to the city of Houston. I can look at this team, head to toe, and only gather that it's a team from Texas, and their name is possibly the Bulls.For an expansion team, this isn't good. No other way to go about it, this design makes no sense for an expansion franchise trying to establish itself in a football-heavy landscape. The point of this identity was to become Houston's NFL Team, because McNair and the NFL had to have known that the panhandle down to Brownsville, everything West of (and a lot east of) I-45 is Cowboys Country. It failed. It's a failure of an identity. It had one job, to reignite a burning passion for pro football in Houston, and compared to the Oilers, the Texans have to be viewed as one of the most spectacular failures in modern sports branding. This is the prettiest look to ever debut in Houston. The striping is consistent, the colors work perfectly against a white back ground, and the columbia jersey still works as a very good backdrop to the striping pattern. I specifically used a photo without the helmet because it's its own topic, but the only thing I could possibly think to change from the 1979 set would be to give them the Texans number font (or possibly a modified block, similar to the current Jags numbers or an equivalent). Regardless, the '79 Oilers (or even the 90's teams in Houston, with the smaller sleeve stripes and red facemask) from a uniform and identity aspect are just as visually appealing, than the Texans. At least out of the people I've met and talked to, every single one can figure out what makes the Oilers uniforms look so good. The simple but iconic and unique elements (the striping and color scheme) are all that need to be ther for it to have the staying power it does within the city. I promise, not just based on nostalgia, that people would buy the hell out of an Oilers jersey with Deshaun Waston's number and name on the back. People who weren't even born would rock Oilers stuff if it was more accessible, because it looks good and says "Houston" to those who live here. Now onto the logo. Although I understand the clip-art angle, I don't think that you can argue against what it is. First and foremost, it immediately captures the mind as "Houston", or at least more than the Texans logo. Instead of being a standard r-w-n color palette with a stylized bull head, evoking Beaumont all the way to El Paso, this really is emblematic of Houston identity when it was created in 1960. Furthermore, the clipart argument is valid insofar as there are other options. In 1960, if you were going to draw an oil derrick, theres only a few ways to do it, and this is the one that looked best on a helmet. Despite its generic look, however, it was able to remain unchanged for over 35 years. I'll probably work on this more at some point, and make this my "ultimate defense of the Oilers" argument, but I'll leave it here for now. TL/DR: You don't know what you're talking about from a cultural perspective. Unless the Texans pull off some '69 Miracle Mets kind of run in the next decade or so, which is very unlikely, the Texans won't have the kind of pull the Oilers ever had in Houston. The "Luv Ya Blue!" era, as well as the "Run N' Shoot" era produced more hype and excitement in Houston than the Texans probably ever will, and even those who weren't around to see the Oilers recognize its value surpasses the Texans. It doesn't look to be changing anytime soon. (No one gives a :censored: about the Oilers and the pre-Titans history in Tennessee, for what it's worth.)
  5. oh rip that wasn't supposed to be a mouth
  6. DW, y'all, I've legit been tweaking my rockets logo for a onth and a half and hope to show my update soon (most likely it's just gonna be a wider font and smaller basketball seas, but who knows) Anyways, onto the logo: -The shape is almost the exact same as the 1974-1988 Dolphins logo -I dropped the navy because I thought that it was stupid to have it on the logo and nowhere else, but other logo colors were used (I have a potential manifesto about that I might write and post at some point) - I changed the wordmark because lowercase wordmarks where the first letter is uppercase (like when you're just writing a proper noun) are dumb as hell. This is a sports team, not an english paper. -I changed their god-awful number set to something that is pleasant to look at -some decent sleeve detail instead of their logo taking up that space Onto the photos!!!!
  7. The Astros broadcast tonight used the throwback logo from 89, but only for the 'stros. Woulda been great to get the throwback Orioles logo too, but still I love whenever presentation graphics are era-accurate.
  8. Was that a commonplace font at the time? I know the Astros had that font on their original tequila Sunrise jerseys, and until now I just assumed that was unique to them.
  9. I know this isn't the point, but you have Texas A&M's last 4 games in the throwback uniform, they only wore those for the Kentucky game.
  10. that is the ugliest goddamn template I've seen in a while. Maybe ties the tire-tread adidas template, but still awful beyond reason.
  11. then like, fix it? it's still a completely valid logo that fits the stupid brand that is the browns
  12. So I decided to blow the rocket up and try again. I felt that it got a bit too "Planet Express"-y after looking at it for a while, and some fresh eyes on twitter and among friends have helped me come up with some ideas on how to make the logo itself better. I heard something about colors from y'all so here they are! (top left): 90's colors (top right): original color scheme (bottom left): The current global logo color scheme (bottom right): the championship color scheme
  13. The one they actually made is absolute garbage. Things of note: -I made this via an all-nighter, so I don't know where I got the navy from -The light blue is the old rockets light blue in their 96-03 set -The orange is the Astros orange -I kept their current font, but tweaked the C's and S's. Lmk what y'all think! I ain't got much to do other than incessantly check this forum so I'll be quick to respond and tweak as necessary : )
  14. So I have a question for the chat.... As we all know, Adidas rolled out their new Primeknit A1 template for most schools, which featured this collar: where there's a normal collar starting at the back and tapering off near the front, giving way to what essentially looks like piping. HOWEVER, when I was combing over the Washington release photos I saw that the collar has changed to this: It looks more similar in style to UA's current collar, give or take a weird stretch fabric. Anyone know if this is going to be just for UW or is it being rolled out to all Adidas schools? (side note: S/O to Nike for being able to keep their flagship template unchanged for essentially 5 years at a time)