2014 NFL Season Anti-Thread

[OnWis97]

Richie Incognito should be pissed.

[See Red]

Richie Incognito should be pissed.

Yeah, that's the truth. And all he did was bully a full grown man.

[rams80]

Richie Incognito should be pissed.

Congratulations, you just described his natural state of being. That psychopath shouldn't be allowed out of the local looney bin.

[Sport]

Last night I was talking to my dad about this and I thanked him for never beating me with a switch or anything else. His response: "well I was disciplined with objects when I was growing up and I vowed I would never do that to my kids".

So the "it's how I was raised" argument is for morons who can't see past their own arms. If you were abused as a child and you use physical harm and fear to discipline your kids then you're perpetuating a dangerous cycle.

Part of being human is evolution. As people we get better, we learn from mistakes, we grow, we move on from poor practices and figure out better ways of doing things. There was a generation that was raised in factories getting their tiny fingers and limbs cut off by giant machines. Those people didn't force the same childhood on their children because "it's how they were raised". Instead they made laws that forbid it so their kids could have a better life than them. Isn't that the point? Why would you want your kid to have it exactly as good as you? Why wouldn't you want to make their life better than yours?

[infrared41]

I was at least 30 seconds ahead of him.

[infrared41]

Last night I was talking to my dad about this and I thanked him for never beating me with a switch or anything else. His response: "well I was disciplined with objects when I was growing up and I vowed I would never do that to my kids".

So the "it's how I was raised" argument is for morons who can't see past their own arms. If you were abused as a child and you use physical harm and fear to discipline your kids then you're perpetuating a dangerous cycle.

Part of being human is evolution. As people we get better, we learn from mistakes, we grow, we move on from poor practices and figure out better ways of doing things. There was a generation that was raised in factories getting their tiny fingers and limbs cut off by giant machines. Those people didn't force the same childhood on their children because "it's how they were raised". Instead they made laws that forbid it so their kids could have a better life than them. Isn't that the point? Why would you want your kid to have it exactly as good as you? Why wouldn't you want to make their life better than yours?

That post gets a standing ovation. Well said.

[nuordr]

Last night I was talking to my dad about this and I thanked him for never beating me with a switch or anything else. His response: "well I was disciplined with objects when I was growing up and I vowed I would never do that to my kids".

So the "it's how I was raised" argument is for morons who can't see past their own arms. If you were abused as a child and you use physical harm and fear to discipline your kids then you're perpetuating a dangerous cycle.

Part of being human is evolution. As people we get better, we learn from mistakes, we grow, we move on from poor practices and figure out better ways of doing things. There was a generation that was raised in factories getting their tiny fingers and limbs cut off by giant machines. Those people didn't force the same childhood on their children because "it's how they were raised". Instead they made laws that forbid it so their kids could have a better life than them. Isn't that the point? Why would you want your kid to have it exactly as good as you? Why wouldn't you want to make their life better than yours?

This is interesting because I have had a similar talk with my parents in the past and I thanked them for spanking me as I needed a stern force belt across the butt because I was a horrible kid at times. I used to have the mentality of everything should be given to me because I was the baby of the family. But my mother had no part of that and she eventually taught me that I was no better than my siblings. Was I beaten? No, but I did receive my fair share of spankings by belt, switch or fly swatter and sure I had welps on my butt sometimes, but it was necessary to put me on track.

I understand that everyone has a different thought on this manner and this may be cultural/regional way of disciplining children. I have witnessed both methods (spankings or timeout) and based on the teenagers that I have seen grow throughout their life from young children to young men and women, I see positives to both methods. But I have seen more discipline and work ethic come out of the children that were spanked. I see a lot of teenagers today that are lazy, stubborn and self-centered and I blame that solely on discipline in the household. While I see other teenagers out working at McDonald's, working on a farm, or being involved in school or local activities and most of those kids were spanked as children.

For me personally, I have been working since the age of 11 and now I am 41. I have an outstanding work ethic as I strive to be the best at what I do. I have respect for others and love everyone (even if we disagree on topics). One of my friends is 39, his father pays his child support and rent. He blows his money as soon as he gets it. He moves from job-to-job and yes, he was never disciplined as a child. He used to say that I had it rough as a child, well, looking back through time, I believe he had it rough and he could have been so much more than he is today.

[Sport]

Last night I was talking to my dad about this and I thanked him for never beating me with a switch or anything else. His response: "well I was disciplined with objects when I was growing up and I vowed I would never do that to my kids".

So the "it's how I was raised" argument is for morons who can't see past their own arms. If you were abused as a child and you use physical harm and fear to discipline your kids then you're perpetuating a dangerous cycle.

Part of being human is evolution. As people we get better, we learn from mistakes, we grow, we move on from poor practices and figure out better ways of doing things. There was a generation that was raised in factories getting their tiny fingers and limbs cut off by giant machines. Those people didn't force the same childhood on their children because "it's how they were raised". Instead they made laws that forbid it so their kids could have a better life than them. Isn't that the point? Why would you want your kid to have it exactly as good as you? Why wouldn't you want to make their life better than yours?

This is interesting because I have had a similar talk with my parents in the past and I thanked them for spanking me as I needed a stern force belt across the butt because I was a horrible kid at times. I used to have the mentality of everything should be given to me because I was the baby of the family. But my mother had no part of that and she eventually taught me that I was no better than my siblings. Was I beaten? No, but I did receive my fair share of spankings by belt, switch or fly swatter and sure I had welps on my butt sometimes, but it was necessary to put me on track.

I understand that everyone has a different thought on this manner and this may be cultural/regional way of disciplining children. I have witnessed both methods (spankings or timeout) and based on the teenagers that I have seen grow throughout their life from young children to young men and women, I see positives to both methods. But I have seen more discipline and work ethic come out of the children that were spanked. I see a lot of teenagers today that are lazy, stubborn and self-centered and I blame that solely on discipline in the household. While I see other teenagers out working at McDonald's, working on a farm, or being involved in school or local activities and most of those kids were spanked as children.

For me personally, I have been working since the age of 11 and now I am 41. I have an outstanding work ethic as I strive to be the best at what I do. I have respect for others and love everyone (even if we disagree on topics). One of my friends is 39, his father pays his child support and rent. He blows his money as soon as he gets it. He moves from job-to-job and yes, he was never disciplined as a child. He used to say that I had it rough as a child, well, looking back through time, I believe he had it rough and he could have been so much more than he is today.

It works both ways. I could find dozens of examples of abused children who I know who are now messed up adults with crappy jobs and no work ethic. I could also count the hundreds of people I know who weren't abused as kids who are fine, hardworking, law-abiding, smart, funny, well-adjusted people. There are hundreds more factors that go into what makes someone a successful adult than whether their parents hit them with a belt or if they were put into timeout.

You can prove anything with a small sample size. For now I'm going to lean towards the position of being against physically abusing our smallest and weakest and most fragile-minded.

[OnWis97]

I don't know that it's proper to question other board members' parents, etc.(but here I go).

If you had a sense of entitlement because you were the youngest, I really don't see how physical punishment taught you that this was wrong. It may have taught you to keep your mouth shut, but did you really understand "why?"

Physical punishment has always struck me as lazy and not really taking advantage of "teaching moments". It's always struck me as a creator of fear-driven, and not love-driven, respect for parents. I realize that this is all very easy for me to say. I was an only child who was always timid about coloring outside the lines (i.e., I never drove my parents to the point where they did not know what else to do) and I don't have (or want) kids. But if I did, I personally cannot fathom taking some sort of weapon to inflict pain on someone I am supposed to love more than anything in this world.

And whenever this topic comes up, I find it ironic that I feel like I have to say "my parents never laid a hand on me and I turned out fine."

And your 39-year-old friend is not where he is because he was not hit. His parents may have failed at "discipline" and giving him work ethic, but there is no way in hell adding beatings to how he was raised would have made that better. I was disciplined without violence. It's quite possible.

AP (Abusing Preschoolers) has a right to work, but I am gonna be a little uncomfortable with my Vikings fandom for the time being.

[Gary]

I can remember off the top of my head the times I had been spanked. Maybe 5 times, I remember each time I was spanked I had a talking to of why I must be spanked. I think there are different ways of parenting and my parents were great parents. I was never abused, but there are times I do remember the talking to than I do remember being spanked.

I am a stand up individual with a great job and a college degree. Would I spank my children? Probably not, there are other ways of parenting that doesn't involve bodily harm.

[infrared41]

It works both ways. I could find dozens of examples of abused children who I know who are now messed up adults with crappy jobs and no work ethic. I could also count the hundreds of people I know who weren't abused as kids who are fine, hardworking, law-abiding, smart, funny, well-adjusted people. There are hundreds more factors that go into what makes someone a successful adult than whether their parents hit them with a belt or if they were put into timeout.

You can prove anything with a small sample size. For now I'm going to lean towards the position of being against physically abusing our smallest and weakest and most fragile-minded.

I was beaten as a kid. My brother, who is 11 years younger than me, was not. (Guess my mom decided to do it the right way with him.) We've discussed it and he's told me she never laid a hand on him. We both turned out about the same. We both have issues with how our mom handled things (I could write a book) but other than that, we're about as "normal" and successful as anyone else. FWIW, neither of us think hitting a child is a good idea.

I don't really have a point to make. I just wanted to throw that into the mix.

[Chicageaux]

It works both ways. I could find dozens of examples of abused children who I know who are now messed up adults with crappy jobs and no work ethic. I could also count the hundreds of people I know who weren't abused as kids who are fine, hardworking, law-abiding, smart, funny, well-adjusted people. There are hundreds more factors that go into what makes someone a successful adult than whether their parents hit them with a belt or if they were put into timeout.

You can prove anything with a small sample size. For now I'm going to lean towards the position of being against physically abusing our smallest and weakest and most fragile-minded.

I was beaten as a kid. My brother, who is 11 years younger than me, was not. (Guess my mom decided to do it the right way with him.) We've discussed it and he's told me she never laid a hand on him. We both turned out about the same. We both have issues with how our mom handled things (I could write a book) but other than that, we're about as "normal" and successful as anyone else. FWIW, neither of us think hitting a child is a good idea.

I don't really have a point to make. I just wanted to throw that into the mix.

I'm very similar. My brother is 12 years younger than me and I was disciplined with a force of hand (and objects) and he wasn't. And we both are pretty much the same. I wasn't some terrible kid and my dad didn't get enjoyment out of disciplining me but when I did something wrong, I got a whoopin'. I also got soap in my mouth from my mother. Society evolves though and there's better ways of disciplining a child than using violence. My brother grew up in a different decade than me and my parents had experience by the time he came around.

As time progresses, society needs to put away the old way of doing things. Our grandparents did things different than their parents with them. It's evolving. But you should never leave visible, multi-lashes on your child. That's not right.

[nuordr]

It works both ways. I could find dozens of examples of abused children who I know who are now messed up adults with crappy jobs and no work ethic. I could also count the hundreds of people I know who weren't abused as kids who are fine, hardworking, law-abiding, smart, funny, well-adjusted people. There are hundreds more factors that go into what makes someone a successful adult than whether their parents hit them with a belt or if they were put into timeout.

You can prove anything with a small sample size. For now I'm going to lean towards the position of being against physically abusing our smallest and weakest and most fragile-minded.

You are correct as a considerable number of sampling would provide better data. I am not saying that people should beat their kids, but to smack a kid across the leg is not wrong as long as it is not to the point of abuse.

I don't know that it's proper to question other board members' parents, etc.(but here I go).

And your 39-year-old friend is not where he is because he was not hit. His parents may have failed at "discipline" and giving him work ethic, but there is no way in hell adding beatings to how he was raised would have made that better. I was disciplined without violence. It's quite possible.

AP (Abusing Preschoolers) has a right to work, but I am gonna be a little uncomfortable with my Vikings fandom for the time being.

I never used the term beatings as that is not the same as spankings, no matter how you spin it.

[vicfurth]

Nuordr, you can't win. I don't know why you try.

[nuordr]

Nuordr, you can't win. I don't know why you try.

I know...it is the debate team coming out in me. It's like politics and religion, people are gonna believe what they want to believe.

[OnWis97]

It works both ways. I could find dozens of examples of abused children who I know who are now messed up adults with crappy jobs and no work ethic. I could also count the hundreds of people I know who weren't abused as kids who are fine, hardworking, law-abiding, smart, funny, well-adjusted people. There are hundreds more factors that go into what makes someone a successful adult than whether their parents hit them with a belt or if they were put into timeout.

You can prove anything with a small sample size. For now I'm going to lean towards the position of being against physically abusing our smallest and weakest and most fragile-minded.

You are correct as a considerable number of sampling would provide better data. I am not saying that people should beat their kids, but to smack a kid across the leg is not wrong as long as it is not to the point of abuse.

I don't know that it's proper to question other board members' parents, etc.(but here I go).

And your 39-year-old friend is not where he is because he was not hit. His parents may have failed at "discipline" and giving him work ethic, but there is no way in hell adding beatings to how he was raised would have made that better. I was disciplined without violence. It's quite possible.

AP (Abusing Preschoolers) has a right to work, but I am gonna be a little uncomfortable with my Vikings fandom for the time being.

I never used the term beatings as that is not the same as spankings, no matter how you spin it.

I was not really trying to label whether your force was "excessive"; I was just whipping out a post and not really stopping to consider what word I used. I was careful not to say that your parents were "abusive" since I don't know how severe it was (though I do have some discomfort with reference to the belt). My point remains that to whatever extend your parents went, your buddy's parents doing the same would not have been what turned him around.

[Xist2inspire]

My parents occasionally disciplined me and my sisters by whipping, but it never crossed the line into abuse. And nine times out of ten, we did something to deserve the whipping. This was in stark contrast to how my parents themselves were raised, where they were often beaten because of pure ignorance and sometimes anger.

Personally, I'm uncomfortable with the idea of whipping children myself. I'm a calm person by nature, and I just can't see myself disciplining a child in that way. Unfortunately, I've personally met too many unruly young children, and seen too many real-life example of children "testing" their parents (sometimes in extreme and completely unjustifiable ways), to deny the fact that there are times when appropriate force must be used to instill proper discipline. Not all children can be raised wholly with a gentle hand, just as not all children need whippings (for example, I was whipped less than my oldest sister, because I didn't test boundaries as much). As such, I'm starting to realize that being a parent may not just be for me, because if I'm unwilling to accept all of the responsibilities of raising a child, then I'm probably not fit to have one.

[DS729]

Nuordr, you can't win. I don't know why you try.

I know...it is the debate team coming out in me. It's like politics and religion, people are gonna believe what they want to believe.

Even if it's really dumb and not correct in any way shape or form.

[infrared41]

Nuordr, you can't win. I don't know why you try.

I know...it is the debate team coming out in me. It's like politics and religion, people are gonna believe what they want to believe.

Even if it's really dumb and not correct in any way shape or form.

Well, you're both experts in that area.

[CS85]

PFT is tweeting that the Vikings may not play AP Sunday. Lot of retroactive behavior now that this thing is really gaining steam. Regardless, the Vikings look horrible.