IceCap Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Wouldn't that just make sense though? Quote PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted March 22, 2013 Author Share Posted March 22, 2013 Wouldn't that just make sense though?Well, the West Valley is a solidly conservative region that derives a great deal of its economy from the federal government spending money on their air force base, and the Coyotes are corporate welfare at its absolute worst. It's a sh-tlord marriage in heaven. Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodboy13 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Cross-referencing this from the Sacramento Kings thread, because it looks like the Kings are staying put, which would eliminate Seattle as a destination for the Coyotes. Quote On 1/25/2013 at 1:53 PM, 'Atom said: For all the bird de lis haters I think the bird de lis isnt supposed to be a pelican and a fleur de lis I think its just a fleur de lis with a pelicans head. Thats what it looks like to me. Also the flair around the tip of the beak is just flair that fleur de lis have sometimes source I am from NOLA. PotD: 10/19/07, 08/25/08, 07/22/10, 08/13/10, 04/15/11, 05/19/11, 01/02/12, and 01/05/12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Cross-referencing this from the Sacramento Kings thread, because it looks like the Kings are staying put, which would eliminate Seattle as a destination for the Coyotes.I'm so glad we rushed a stupid ass realignment out of the gate to accommodate a now non-existent market. 1 Quote On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodboy13 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Well, you see, now we just get Chris Hansen to buy the Bucks instead, move them to Seattle, shove the Coyotes up Northwest, put NHL 31 and 32 in Milwaukee & Quebec City, and kick Detroit back west into a division with the Blackhawks & Blues. Simple as that!Hey, anybody got any more nutmeg? 1 Quote On 1/25/2013 at 1:53 PM, 'Atom said: For all the bird de lis haters I think the bird de lis isnt supposed to be a pelican and a fleur de lis I think its just a fleur de lis with a pelicans head. Thats what it looks like to me. Also the flair around the tip of the beak is just flair that fleur de lis have sometimes source I am from NOLA. PotD: 10/19/07, 08/25/08, 07/22/10, 08/13/10, 04/15/11, 05/19/11, 01/02/12, and 01/05/12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCap Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Cross-referencing this from the Sacramento Kings thread, because it looks like the Kings are staying put, which would eliminate Seattle as a destination for the Coyotes.I'm so glad we rushed a stupid ass realignment out of the gate to accommodate a now non-existent market.It's cliched by this point, but what the hell.OTGDNHL 1 Quote PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted March 24, 2013 Author Share Posted March 24, 2013 The irony is that the Supersonics coming back was precisely why the Coyotes shouldn't have ever moved there. 1 Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosrs1 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Cross-referencing this from the Sacramento Kings thread, because it looks like the Kings are staying put, which would eliminate Seattle as a destination for the Coyotes.Don't see how that means the Kings are staying put. There are still some big questions about the financing of the Sacramento arena deal. And on top of that they've just swapped lead investors at the last minute and Seattle still has a signed sales agreement (something the NBA has never rejected in league history). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zpqmaowl Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Mayor Jerry Weiers made an appearance tonight at Camelback and said something along the lines of, "to all the out-of-staters who traveled here, we really appreciate your money."And you could appreciate it more if anyone charged for parking around here. I realize it could cause some issues with people who just want to go to Westgate that night/turn people away from going to the hockey game even, but why not charge at the ballpark? The Cubs get $7 out of you to go park on some grass, why can't Glendale/the Dodgers/the White Sox do it? It's almost disconcerting not to have to pay, especially after paying $15 to park over the hills and through the woods at Chavez Ravine. Quote the worst helmets design to me is the Jacksonville jaguars hamlets from 1995 to 2012 because you can't see the logo vary wall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 In many major cities where any type of space is at a premium, and mass transit options exist and are convenient, I don't have issue with charging for parking, since it really is a service that they're providing, and they have to pAy for staff and security for it. Plus it encourages people to take subways and rail lines. You have to pay out the ass for parking anywhere else in the city (and a lot of times lots either have no vacancy or you have to sublet a spot), so why should a game be any different? I'm going to assume that mass transit really doesn't exist in AZ (at least not in the form it does on the east coast), as its just a cultural thing to drive everywhere, and cities / suburbs were designed around this. If that's the case, I'd be against them charging for parking if there's no other way for people to get there, unless they set up free lots farther away and only charged for the convenience of parking in well maintained lots closer to the arena. Quote "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Yeah. A little off-topic, but in my city's downtown core, the parking rates are also ridiculous. I usually bus to work because it's a helluva lot cheaper than having to either buy a parking pass or shell out $8 a day to park a car somewhere downtown. The downtown core is expected (by city council at least) to be revitalized by a pending casino project, but I work downtown, and I think if the casino gets built down there it will just make conditions even worse. I work with the most disadvantaged people in the city. It's really kind of depressing.Okay, end of off-topicness. Sorry. When are the Yotes dissolving or moving again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted March 24, 2013 Author Share Posted March 24, 2013 The Simpsons did two golden age episodes on inherently flawed urban renewal schemes and we didn't heed either one. 1 Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sport Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 The Simpsons did two golden age episodes on inherently flawed urban renewal schemes and we didn't heed either one.Marge vs. The Monorail and what was the other one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HedleyLamarr Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 In many major cities where any type of space is at a premium, and mass transit options exist and are convenient, I don't have issue with charging for parking, since it really is a service that they're providing, and they have to pAy for staff and security for it. Plus it encourages people to take subways and rail lines. You have to pay out the ass for parking anywhere else in the city (and a lot of times lots either have no vacancy or you have to sublet a spot), so why should a game be any different?What staff and security? Unless things are different in Philadelphia than any other major city I've been to, there's little-to-no security for downtown parking lots (and those with security are either with always-private lots or individual companies hiring security for public lots that are owned by someone else), and many lot attendants are being replaced with a pay-box, and Muhammed Jones comes by every half-hour or hour to check up on these lots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 In many major cities where any type of space is at a premium, and mass transit options exist and are convenient, I don't have issue with charging for parking, since it really is a service that they're providing, and they have to pAy for staff and security for it. Plus it encourages people to take subways and rail lines. You have to pay out the ass for parking anywhere else in the city (and a lot of times lots either have no vacancy or you have to sublet a spot), so why should a game be any different?What staff and security? Unless things are different in Philadelphia than any other major city I've been to, there's little-to-no security for downtown parking lots (and those with security are either with always-private lots or individual companies hiring security for public lots that are owned by someone else), and many lot attendants are being replaced with a pay-box, and Muhammed Jones comes by every half-hour or hour to check up on these lots.Well the valet garages in center city (commercial and residential) have "security", and the other lots at least have attendants. When I said staff and security, I was referring to the team-run stadium lots, where there are the fee collectors, the people directing you down a certain aisle, and security walking around (you may not actually see the security, because in some cases it's plain clothed.Yeah. A little off-topic, but in my city's downtown core, the parking rates are also ridiculous. I usually bus to work because it's a helluva lot cheaper than having to either buy a parking pass or shell out $8 a day to park a car somewhere downtown. The downtown core is expected (by city council at least) to be revitalized by a pending casino project, but I work downtown, and I think if the casino gets built down there it will just make conditions even worse. I work with the most disadvantaged people in the city. It's really kind of depressing.Okay, end of off-topicness. Sorry. When are the Yotes dissolving or moving again?Typical East Coast US parking in a "downtown" region are significantly higher than that. That's not meant to start a "contest", just to make it clear that I'm talking about daily rates that equal the typical $20 - $40 stadium parking rates (obviously there are pro stadiums / arenas that charge more than that, but I'm considering that the average sporting event price.) Hell - the unsecured residential spot that I lease 3 blocks from my apartment is $200, and that's not a desirable spot. It wouldn't shock me if due to lack of vacancies at that lot (which is the cheapest in the "center city" district), I could put it up on craigslist and sublet it during the day and just use it at night. I know a few people that do this with their spots, for which they either bought the deed for the spot ($40k - $80k depending on location) or lease for $300 - $400 month. Quote "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 In many major cities where any type of space is at a premium, and mass transit options exist and are convenient, I don't have issue with charging for parking, since it really is a service that they're providing, and they have to pAy for staff and security for it. Plus it encourages people to take subways and rail lines. You have to pay out the ass for parking anywhere else in the city (and a lot of times lots either have no vacancy or you have to sublet a spot), so why should a game be any different?What staff and security? Unless things are different in Philadelphia than any other major city I've been to, there's little-to-no security for downtown parking lots (and those with security are either with always-private lots or individual companies hiring security for public lots that are owned by someone else), and many lot attendants are being replaced with a pay-box, and Muhammed Jones comes by every half-hour or hour to check up on these lots.Well the valet garages in center city (commercial and residential) have "security", and the other lots at least have attendants. When I said staff and security, I was referring to the team-run stadium lots, where there are the fee collectors, the people directing you down a certain aisle, and security walking around (you may not actually see the security, because in some cases it's plain clothed.Yeah. A little off-topic, but in my city's downtown core, the parking rates are also ridiculous. I usually bus to work because it's a helluva lot cheaper than having to either buy a parking pass or shell out $8 a day to park a car somewhere downtown. The downtown core is expected (by city council at least) to be revitalized by a pending casino project, but I work downtown, and I think if the casino gets built down there it will just make conditions even worse. I work with the most disadvantaged people in the city. It's really kind of depressing.Okay, end of off-topicness. Sorry. When are the Yotes dissolving or moving again?Typical East Coast US parking in a "downtown" region are significantly higher than that. That's not meant to start a "contest", just to make it clear that I'm talking about daily rates that equal the typical $20 - $40 stadium parking rates (obviously there are pro stadiums / arenas that charge more than that, but I'm considering that the average sporting event price.) Hell - the unsecured residential spot that I lease 3 blocks from my apartment is $200, and that's not a desirable spot. It wouldn't shock me if due to lack of vacancies at that lot (which is the cheapest in the "center city" district), I could put it up on craigslist and sublet it during the day and just use it at night. I know a few people that do this with their spots, for which they either bought the deed for the spot ($40k - $80k depending on location) or lease for $300 - $400 month.San Francisco says hello, as well. But like those east coast cities, they have pretty awesome PT to help that problem. I often wonder, why do people even bother with having cars who live in cities like that? Quote On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Yeah I wasn't saying it was exclusively an east coast thing just that it's more common since there's a higher xoncentration of large urban business centers between Boston and DC. There's obviously others in the country. I'm curious about SFs MT. Isn't it true that they can't build subways on the west coast due to the soil or earthquake risk or something? Is it all light rail and buses? Quote "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted March 25, 2013 Author Share Posted March 25, 2013 Nah, BART and Caltrain are pretty much the same as anything in Chicago or the northeast. I think most of BART is underground. Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Nah, BART and Caltrain are pretty much the same as anything in Chicago or the northeast. I think most of BART is underground.Actually most of BART is above ground, except for that very important stretch which goes under the San Francisco Bay connecting the city to east bay, but even that sits on top of the soil. The trains are pretty similar to the CTA trains in Chicago. My main point was that, unlike anything you see in Los Angeles and other major west coast cities, it's a very efficient PT system that stretches very far and nearly renders cars useless in the area. Quote On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosrs1 Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Guys this is a fascinating conversation. But WTF does it have to do with the Phoenix Coyotes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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