vicfurth Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 2 minutes ago, CLEstones said: So, in your system, it only comes down to Conference Title? We had that "objective" system, and all we did was bitch about the 2 teams being selected. Now we are bitching about 4 teams. The criteria is, and always has been, "The 4 Best teams in the Country," its a "body of work." Sounds like sour grapes. I have no dog in this fight (Texas A&M fan) but your team backed into the playoffs. Sounds like fan-dom, not actual football knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLEstones Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 6 minutes ago, vicfurth said: I have no dog in this fight (Texas A&M fan) but your team backed into the playoffs. Sounds like fan-dom, not actual football knowledge. Backed in? 1 loss team, early in the season, with incredible extenuating circumstances? With an incredible strength of schedule, 3 wins on teams in the top 10, a 4th win against a team that WAS ranked in the top 10 at the time. Again, if the criteria is "Best 4 Teams in the Country," sounds more like sour grapes than lack of football knowledge. If its "Best 4 Teams in the Country," you should be more butt hurt about USC and Michigan than Penn State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnWis97 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 1 hour ago, CLEstones said: So, in your system, it only comes down to Conference Title? We had that "objective" system, and all we did was bitch about the 2 teams being selected. Now we are bitching about 4 teams. The criteria is, and always has been, "The 4 Best teams in the Country," its a "body of work." Exactly. "you do it by record." OK, Penn State has a lesser record than Ohio State. They have an extra loss. If it's just going to be about conference titles, then the non-conference games are just NFL exhibition games. Ohio Sate had a better year. "They didn't even win their division" is not even true. They are co-division champs. Head-to-head is an interesting take...they did win. But in college football, where homefield is important, I think there's value to considering that they won a close game on a fluky play. Meanwhile OSU beat Michigan and PSU got steamrolled by Michigan. Overall body of work is in OSU's favor. If anything, PSU's better than Washington. All OSU lost by losing that tiebreaker was the opportunity to add Wisconsin as a resume win. Some years that would matter; had Penn State not lost to Pitt, it would have. I don't envy being the Committee...they were probably all hoping Wisconsin could be competent in the 2nd half, but ultimately they made the right call. Or at least a defendable one. Disclaimer: If this comment is about an NBA uniform from 2017-2018 or later, do not constitute a lack of acknowledgement of the corporate logo to mean anything other than "the corporate logo is terrible and makes the uniform significantly worse." BADGERS TWINS VIKINGS TIMBERWOLVES WILD POTD (Shared) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 1 hour ago, vicfurth said: Ohio State making it in over Penn State is a joke. There needs to be a objective system in place to ensure that junk like that doesn't happen. Not only did the Buckeyes not win their conference, they didn't even compete for it. They even lost to Penn State during the season. The rankings need to be treated either like basketball's RPI or as Power Rankings for the fans' enjoyment. You want in the playoffs, you do it by record, not "feels". For example, I really can't stand Alabama, but I respect that they've earned the right to play for another title. These Buckeyes? Not even close. Ohio State didn't play for a B1G title because Michigan lost to Iowa. Ohio State also dominated Penn State in every statistical category aside from "actual points scored" in that head-to-head road loss which had the winning score be "blocked FG returned for TD". Those are considerations too. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLEstones Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 1 hour ago, rams80 said: Ohio State didn't play for a B1G title because Michigan lost to Iowa. Ohio State also dominated Penn State in every statistical category aside from "actual points scored" in that head-to-head road loss which had the winning score be "blocked FG returned for TD". Those are considerations too. Well, there was more than JUST that... a botched punt, a botched field goal, Penn State off a bye week, just the week before, Ohio State played Wisconsin on the road when the Badgers came off a bye week, both in prime time, weather was less than ideal. Its all been said. I think, this system, as with the BCS, is going to have flaws, as will an 8 team playoff. The Committee is going to use whatever criteria they feel is needed. Year 1, the gap between TCU, Baylor and Ohio State was small, so they used Conference Champ to justify Ohio State. This year, the gap between Ohio State and Michigan/Penn State was considered large, so a Conference Championship wasn't enough to close the gap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sport Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 If you lose 2 games in a college football season you don't have much of a case. This is why I advocate for keeping the playoff at 4 teams. The regular season still demands near perfection and is still meaningful from start to finish. The more teams you add the less value a loss holds. If it was an 8 team tournament we'd be talking about 3 loss USC or 3 loss Wisconsin right now. No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi74 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 11 minutes ago, McCarthy said: If you lose 2 games in a college football season you don't have much of a case. This is why I advocate for keeping the playoff at 4 teams. The regular season still demands near perfection and is still meaningful from start to finish. The more teams you add the less value a loss holds. If it was an 8 team tournament we'd be talking about 3 loss USC or 3 loss Wisconsin right now. No thanks. You nailed it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLEstones Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 17 hours ago, ltp74 said: You nailed it! I'm fine with that. I'll take an extra 4 games of highly competitive college football, 10 out of 10 years. EDIT: Especially in a year where the remaining for teams would be Penn State, Michigan, USC, and a Cinderella in Western Michigan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2001mark Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 3 hours ago, McCarthy said: If you lose 2 games in a college football season you don't have much of a case. This is why I advocate for keeping the playoff at 4 teams. The regular season still demands near perfection and is still meaningful from start to finish. The more teams you add the less value a loss holds. If it was an 8 team tournament we'd be talking about 3 loss USC or 3 loss Wisconsin right now. No thanks. I concur. It'd be nearing NFL 2016 saturation if games became less meaningful. As it is, I don't watch NCAA basketball until the tournament, & maybe some conf tourneys for seeding. @2001mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJWalker45 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Another thing to consider for an 8 team playoff is travel for allof the teams. You're asking fans to pay for possibly 3 bowl games, 3 sets of hotels and 3 sets of travel plans. Right now the NCAA will allow schools to aid families of the players to travel but that doesn't include all fans. And it only applies for the championship. Even if that first round is at home stadiums, you're dealing with possibly interrupting multiple winter sport schedules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 2 hours ago, MJWalker45 said: Another thing to consider for an 8 team playoff is travel for allof the teams. You're asking fans to pay for possibly 3 bowl games, 3 sets of hotels and 3 sets of travel plans. Right now the NCAA will allow schools to aid families of the players to travel but that doesn't include all fans. And it only applies for the championship. Even if that first round is at home stadiums, you're dealing with possibly interrupting multiple winter sport schedules. The winter sport schedules can deal. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCap Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 11 hours ago, vicfurth said: I have no dog in this fight (Texas A&M fan) but your team backed into the playoffs. OSU beat the then-#3 ranked team in the country in their last game. That's not backing in. PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi74 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 12 hours ago, MJWalker45 said: Another thing to consider for an 8 team playoff is travel for allof the teams. You're asking fans to pay for possibly 3 bowl games, 3 sets of hotels and 3 sets of travel plans. Right now the NCAA will allow schools to aid families of the players to travel but that doesn't include all fans. And it only applies for the championship. Even if that first round is at home stadiums, you're dealing with possibly interrupting multiple winter sport schedules. There's also a conference championship game tossed in that travel mix too along with finals for the players and students who might travel to the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLEstones Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 29 minutes ago, ltp74 said: There's also a conference championship game tossed in that travel mix too along with finals for the players and students who might travel to the games. Ehhhhh. Sorry, but Conference Championships mean nothing to me at this point, especially now that we know if you have a great resume, you don't need to be your Conference Champion. Scrap the Conference titles games, all together. Add a first round home game for an 8 team playoff. Ends up being cheaper. Or, just have the first round take the place of the Conference championships. Its the same amount of travel. I also think the schools and conferences should step up and foot some of the cost, especially for the families of players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi74 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 23 minutes ago, CLEstones said: Ehhhhh. Sorry, but Conference Championships mean nothing to me at this point, especially now that we know if you have a great resume, you don't need to be your Conference Champion. Scrap the Conference titles games, all together. Add a first round home game for an 8 team playoff. Ends up being cheaper. Or, just have the first round take the place of the Conference championships. Its the same amount of travel. I also think the schools and conferences should step up and foot some of the cost, especially for the families of players. They mean nothing to you but they're a cash cow for the Big Ten and SEC and a nice payday for the ACC and PAC-12, they're not going anywhere. The bowls will never allow the playoff games to be hosted on campus, if they ever go to an 8 team playoff the likes of the Outback, Citrus, Gator and Holiday Bowls will be hosting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnWis97 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 12 minutes ago, ltp74 said: They mean nothing to you but they're a cash cow for the Big Ten and SEC and a nice payday for the ACC and PAC-12, they're not going anywhere. The bowls will never allow the playoff games to be hosted on campus, if they ever go to an 8 team playoff the likes of the Outback, Citrus, Gator and Holiday Bowls will be hosting. Yeah, they're not going away. So that is a consideration; a national finalist would have to travel to four neutral site games. That's going to impact attendance for the big ones. I hate conference championship games. They add a randomness to the conference season with tiebreakers, weaker divisions, etc. But until such time that money is not the focus (ha, ha), they will remain. But it really messes with the integrity when those conference titles don't mean a lot (and this coming from someone that feels OSU belonged). The eight-team model would allow five or six conference champ automatics and let a team like OSU in. I suppose the first round could have seeds 1-4 playing the host. Then you'd have the same travel schedule you have now (with fans of 5-8 presumably not traveling). Of course, given the home-field advantage in college football, seeds 3-6 would probably be as scrutinized as they are now. On the other hand, I doubt we'll ever see a system that causes as much neutral site travel as Final Four teams have in basketball. Disclaimer: If this comment is about an NBA uniform from 2017-2018 or later, do not constitute a lack of acknowledgement of the corporate logo to mean anything other than "the corporate logo is terrible and makes the uniform significantly worse." BADGERS TWINS VIKINGS TIMBERWOLVES WILD POTD (Shared) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HedleyLamarr Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 21 hours ago, rams80 said: Ohio State didn't play for a B1G title because Michigan lost to Iowa. Ohio State also dominated Penn State in every statistical category aside from "actual points scored" in that head-to-head road loss which had the winning score be "blocked FG returned for TD". Those are considerations too. Well.....Ohio State didn't play for the Big Ten championship because they lost to Penn State. That result changes, the Michigan/Iowa result doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sport Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 16 hours ago, CLEstones said: I'm fine with that. I'll take an extra 4 games of highly competitive college football, 10 out of 10 years. EDIT: Especially in a year where the remaining for teams would be Penn State, Michigan, USC, and a Cinderella in Western Michigan. The 1 vs 8 games would probably be blowouts in most years. An increased playoff field of "highly competitive football" comes at a cost detrimental to the most meaningful regular season in sports. In other words, I don't want 3 loss teams playing for the national title or college football turning into the college basketball season. 4 is the perfect number because it still exclusive enough that it demands near-perfection from game 1 through game 12 while also providing protection against voter bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCarp1231 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 How is it that FCS/Division 1-AA can pull off a 24 team playoff yet Division 1-A can only seem to manage a 4 team playoff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkerws Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 $$$$$$$$$$$$ The NCAA ceded control to the bowl system because of "tradition" & continued because of the money generated. It's the only NCAA sport without a NCAA sanctioned championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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