Thomas Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Say admiral, did the New Jersey Guinea Wop Dagos ever play in the Grease Bowl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 44 minutes ago, hawk36 said: So I'd say whether they really named the team after ( Sockalexis) or not, now 100+ years later, it would be nice to officially give him the honor and work toward a respectful identity to honor him with. Indeed. The team wasn't originally named after him, but that doesn't mean that they can't now engage his tribe and create a lasting legacy together. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Germanshepherd Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Really, really hope the Cubs aren't in blue tonight. i have unquantifiable corpses on my conscience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk36 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 30 minutes ago, Germanshepherd said: Really, really hope the Cubs aren't in blue tonight. Well since they won in blue my guess is they'll keep it. That being said, since the Indians lost in their blue, hopefully they'll go white so we won't have a royal/navy match up. Design Hovie Studios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Cunningham Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 3 hours ago, the admiral said: TONY: ay what'sh da line on dish redshkins game PAULIE: Careful, T! You can't say dat word no more. SILVIO: they don't like it. PAULIE: Course, I always found it to be. a misnamer. To me. deyr skin looks more brown...den anyting! CHRIS: Who caaaares, Puaulie, they're extinct! SILVIO: i don't know about that TONY: dish ish all ridiculoush, dish whole...cultchuh today! can't shay dish, can't shay dat, it's deezh kidsh...dey're too shawft! PAULIE: You said it, T. If dey had a team, called da Italians? I'd be proud! CHRIS: What, like the New Jersey Guinea Wop Dagos? PAULIE: watch it chrissy May be one of the greatest posts I've read on here. It's easy to mimic the way that Tony Soprano talks, but to put the full stops in the middle of everything Paulie says is brilliant. I could hear this conversation in my head as it I was reading it. Very well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worcat Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Let's hope for a white vs. grey matchup. Please no thirds Bleeding Blue since 1986 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Wind of Doom Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Hawk's point about the name being an unofficial nickname during the Spiders years seems to support the idea, if true. 8 hours ago, Gothamite said: That's not actually true. That story first surfaced in 1948, well after the fact. The team itself appears to have been named after the Boston Braves, at the time a powerhouse club. This cartoon ran in the Cleveland Plain Dealer the day after the new name was announced. Had Louis Sockalexis featured into the decision at all, it would certainly have been referenced. That story persists because it would be awfully convenient for the team's defenders if they could tie it to a genuine honorific. Sadly, it's not. I'm not saying for sure it's true or not, but I'd like to say that the cartoon in question seems to be... questionable. At least half of the tableaus appear to be mocking the change. I get the feeling from looking at this that the creator and paper are critical of the change. If not, then at least they're trying to be humorous. The idea of the team honoring a player doesn't fit into either of these narratives, so it's rather easy to completely leave it out. Not to mention that I don't find a paper's voice on the situation to necessarily be indicative of the front office's/owner's intent. Hawk's point about the name being an unofficial nickname during the Spiders years seems to support the idea, if true. 8 hours ago, Gothamite said: You seem to be missing the most significant exaggerated racial feature, aside from the appaling red color (which is exactly like the minstrel's blacker-than-pitch blackface). Something... big. Something as plain as the nose on his face. Huh. It does seem to be a cartoonish version of the actual feature a segment of the native population (such as the previously mentioned Sitting Bull) have. I don't necessarily know if it's an equivalency, since I've never heard someone say "What's the one thing you can't give an injun? A swollen nose." Alcoholism, red skin, and savagery are more the targets. Are Natives often mocked for their noses? 2 hours ago, the admiral said: TONY: ay what'sh da line on dish redshkins game PAULIE: Careful, T! You can't say dat word no more. SILVIO: they don't like it. PAULIE: Course, I always found it to be. a misnamer. To me. deyr skin looks more brown...den anyting! CHRIS: Who caaaares, Puaulie, they're extinct! SILVIO: i don't know about that TONY: dish ish all ridiculoush, dish whole...cultchuh today! can't shay dish, can't shay dat, it's deezh kidsh...dey're too shawft! PAULIE: You said it, T. If dey had a team, called da Italians? I'd be proud! CHRIS: What, like the New Jersey Guinea Wop Dagos? PAULIE: watch it chrissy Anyone I know like that would be totally fine with the Guinea Wop Dagos. XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 You're free to not believe the paper. But then the onus is on you to find any contemporaneous source citing Louis Sockalexis as the inspiration for the team name. Even a retroactive claim from someone involved in the decision who decided at the time to hide their true intentions. Anything other than a modern reselling where somebody who wasn't there makes unsupported assertions. Baseball scholars have done so, and can't find anything before it was first suggested in 1948. It's just not true. No matter how much some people want it to be. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Wind of Doom Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 38 minutes ago, Gothamite said: You're free to not believe the paper. But then the onus is on you to find any contemporaneous source citing Louis Sockalexis as the inspiration for the team name. Baseball scholars have done so, and can't find anything before 1948. It's just not true. No matter how much some people want it to be. Yeah. Like I said, unsure of it's veracity, just saying that I don't think the cartoon helps one way in another. Given that the league still pushes the Doubleday myth, I understand everything can't exactly be taken as truth at face value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 The cartoon is evidence against. There is zero evidence for. Therefore the cartoon is pretty significant. I understand the power of this particular myth. It would solve a lot of problems. But it just ain't true. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Germanshepherd Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Aw man, Cubs in blue today, reminds me of the Cavaliers wearing their black Alts in Game 7, this is another could be classic sports moment that would be somewhat ruined by wrong choice of uniforms. i have unquantifiable corpses on my conscience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worcat Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Who makes these decisions? The league? The owner? Blue vs. Navy?! Come on MLB. This is garbage Bleeding Blue since 1986 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 It's traditional to give the choice to the starting pitcher. But this is one circumstance where I'd overrule him. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worcat Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Kluber: I'll take navy blue SLAP! Kluber: I'll take white. Bleeding Blue since 1986 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreamSoda Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 We, as a community, are always hammering for Color V Color matchups. Now we get one and we hate it! Love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worcat Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 This is a HUGE exception Bleeding Blue since 1986 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroCree Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Postseason games are an exception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinsUp1214 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 2 minutes ago, CreamSoda said: We, as a community, are always hammering for Color V Color matchups. Now we get one and we hate it! Love it. 1. Not everyone here has been keen on the general idea of color vs. color. *raises hand* 2. In no universe I can think of is a royal vs. navy matchup aesthetically pleasing. Or even good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worcat Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Agreed, that's like asking for a New York Rangers home vs. NY Islanders home match up. "Ugh it's color vs color! differences are red vs. orange".....GTFO Bleeding Blue since 1986 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreamSoda Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Hockey and baseball are way too different to make that comparison. And something along the lines of "be careful what you wish for!" comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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