Portland and other MLB expansion name possibilities

[SFGiants58]

3 minutes ago, Gothamite said:

Hadn’t even thought of it that way, but you’re right.

 

I just want to see the entirety of the sport’s history honored, and there’s no better place than DC.  Really wasted opportunity. 

 

I’m just happy it wasn’t Senators again. It’s a shame that the former Expos decided to go the route of fetishizing the Second Sens’ solitary winning season. There’s plenty of rich baseball history to mine in DC, none of which involves the career years of a few guys led by an acerbic Hall of Famer.

[GDAWG]

On ‎3‎/‎9‎/‎2019 at 8:17 PM, Wings said:

It's 2050 and we're all old as dirt.......The A's announce after exhausting all avenues in trying to build a ballpark in Oakland, they are relocating to Pluto. 

 

The Rays announce relocation to the Alpha Centauri system, but much like their efforts 30 years earlier, they had agreements with planets and moons in our own solar system to build a ballpark, but for one reason or another, those deals have hit snags and they have to start looking and Alpha Centauri gave them the best deal.

 

Five years later......The Rays' attempts at a ball park on one of the Alpha Centauri planets have failed, so now they will travel the known Universe looking for a place to play.

[McCall]

2 minutes ago, GDAWG said:

 

The Rays announce relocation to the Alpha Centauri system, but much like their efforts 30 years earlier, they had agreements with planets and moons in our own solar system to build a ballpark, but for one reason or another, those deals have hit snags and they have to start looking and Alpha Centauri gave them the best deal.

 

Five years later......The Rays' attempts at a ball park on one of the Alpha Centauri planets have failed, so now they will travel the known Universe looking for a place to play.

10 years later, technology has allowed colonization of the sun and the Rays take advantage of this opportunity to become the first team to relocate to the center of our universe and become the “Sun Rays”. Along with the relocation, they finally make a decision as to their identity and go with one direction of the Rays name... choosing the devil ray imagery... 

 

Thus, the new idiom “your as bright as the Rays of the Sun” is born.

[coco1997]

 

[FiddySicks]

On 3/9/2019 at 12:02 PM, plobrien said:

My dream scenario is the A's would be allowed to move to San Jose, Portland gets an expansion team, and two other cities (Montreal, Nashville, Charlotte, San Antonio) get an expansion and relocated rays. 

 

It's a real shame the A's owners didn't put in the minimal effort it would've taken to reclaim the San Jose market for themselves, then. They had, like, two decades to file the paperwork and just never bothered. The A's have nobody but themselves to blame for the situation they're stuck in right now. 

 

Good thing there's a really solid, growing market about 100 miles to the east of Oakland that is ripe for relocation! 

[SFGiants58]

1 minute ago, Bucfan56 said:

 

It's a real shame the A's owners didn't put in the minimal effort it would've taken to reclaim the San Jose market for themselves, then. They had, like, two decades to file the paperwork and just never bothered. The A's really have nobody but themselves to blame for the situation they're stuck in right now. 

 

They could have easily paid off the Giants for those territory rights, but they never did. 

 

Granted, moving to Sacramento (rights they had for ages) would be better than San José (IMHO), but both would be better than languishing at the mausoleum.

[FiddySicks]

10 minutes ago, SFGiants58 said:

 

They could have easily paid off the Giants for those territory rights, but they never did. 

 

Granted, moving to Sacramento (rights they had for ages) would be better than San José (IMHO), but both would be better than languishing at the mausoleum.

 

Actually, if my memory is correct, I think they could've claimed the San Jose territory back from the Giants completely free of charge. Pretty much EVERYONE knew San Jose was going to eventually grow at a rapid pace (The extent of which it completely blew up might have been a bit of a surprise, but I remember news reports talking about how much Silicon Valley was trending towards rapid growth as far back as the early 90s), but somehow A's ownership never noticed. Pretty bad look on their part, if you ask me. 

[masterchaoss]

MLB should just say :censored: you to the giants and give it too the As if it's causing since it's causing baseball harm as whole. If I'm baseball I make that move right away and if the giants cry about I'd just let them especially since federal courts side with MLB almost always anyway I can't see them taking away their antitrust exemption status especially considering they have done much worse in the past to warrant it and nothing's happened. Giants need to stopping being a :censored:ty franchise and just give it too them though but its giants so they won't do anything redeemable or good as long as they exist. 

 

[SFGiants58]

1 hour ago, masterchaoss said:

MLB should just say you to the giants and give it too the As if it's causing since it's causing baseball harm as whole. If I'm baseball I make that move right away and if the giants cry about I'd just let them especially since federal courts side with MLB almost always anyway I can't see them taking away their antitrust exemption status especially considering they have done much worse in the past to warrant it and nothing's happened. Giants need to stopping being a :censored:ty franchise and just give it too them though but its giants so they won't do anything redeemable or good as long as they exist. 

 

 

The Giants didn’t evict Mexican-Americans and leave many of them homeless to build their stadium.

[masterchaoss]

On 7/26/2019 at 5:02 PM, SFGiants58 said:

 

The Giants didn’t evict Mexican-Americans and leave many of them homeless to build their stadium.

Dodgers didn't either the city had evicted them long before for a housing development that never came to be in the 40s years before they approached the Dodgers with the land and when they did it was mostly just squatters who had nothing to do with the families who were there before and didn't have any rights to land as the families had accepted the compensation for the land or had given compensation by the courts when their title was revoked. The Dodgers had pretty much nothing to do with removal of the families from Chavez Ravine that was all the city's wrong. 

[SFGiants58]

Ah, my mistake 

 

Still, I take umbrage with your assessment that the “Giants need to stopping being a :censored:ty franchise and just give it too them though but its giants so they won't do anything redeemable or good as long as they exist.” If the Dodgers and Angels were in this same position, I’m sure the Dodgers would act the same way.

 

EDIT: So, I was more right than I thought. Cool.

 

[The_Admiral]

It's so bizarre that there are even territorial rights within the Bay Area when no such split exists with other two-team markets. Even the Texas teams claim each other's markets, and Dallas and Houston are hundreds of miles apart.

[FiddySicks]

20 hours ago, masterchaoss said:

MLB should just say you to the giants and give it too the As if it's causing since it's causing baseball harm as whole. If I'm baseball I make that move right away and if the giants cry about I'd just let them especially since federal courts side with MLB almost always anyway I can't see them taking away their antitrust exemption status especially considering they have done much worse in the past to warrant it and nothing's happened. Giants need to stopping being a :censored:ty franchise and just give it too them though but its giants so they won't do anything redeemable or good as long as they exist. 

 

 

 

This is a very dumb take, for so many different reasons. 

 

First off, in the real world, that’s not even close to how the law works. The anti trust exemption isn’t going to a thing to protect Major League Baseball if they take that territory from the Giants, because it’s literally written into the ownership contract the Giants current owners signed with the league. The league can’t tell the Giants to “go cry about it” because they don’t have any legal foothold to do so. They probably would’ve already had that been the case. 

 

Second, why should the Giants be forced to lose out because of the bad decisions made by their idiot neighbors? How would you handle it if some moron tried to claim the backyard on your house simply because he felt entitled to it? It’s built into the valuation of your house, and once you pay for that, it’s yours. Nobody has a legal claim to that because they once had the opportunity to the rights to the land and never did anything about it. The A’s are dumb because they never filed the paperwork to reclaim the land. That’s the bed they have to lay in. 

 

As for the “redeemable or good” comment, oh boy. That’s so rich coming from a fan of a team who literally helped facilitate kicking an entire neighborhood out to build their stadium. And if you want to play the card that the Dodgers has nothing to do with that, you’re either being willfully ignorant, or you really need to learn your history. 

 

 

 

 

I’ve gone through this whole thing about a thousand times here detailing the history of this territorial rights issue so I don’t feel like doing all that again. If people don’t take the time to do the research on this issue that’s on them. But it’s usually advisable to NOT have such strong opinions on things unless you at least have some idea of what you’re talking about.

 

 

[Gothamite]

19 hours ago, masterchaoss said:

Dodgers didn't ethier the city had evicted them long before for a housing development that never came to be in the 40s years before they approached the Dodgers with the land and when they did it was mostly just squatters who had nothing to do with the families who were there before and didn't have any rights to land as the families had accepted the compensation for the land or had given compensation by the courts when their title was revoked. 

 

That’s not quite true.  About 20 families had managed to stay in their homes throughout the public housing plan and were forcibly evicted from those homes so Dodger Stadium could be built. 

 

https://laist.com/2018/10/17/dodger_stadium_chavez_ravine_battle.php

 

It’s okay to enjoy the end result while also admitting that the families who used to live on that land were mistreated. 

[The_Admiral]

18 hours ago, masterchaoss said:

Dodgers didn't ethier

 

They absolutely had Andre Ethier

[IceCap]

17 hours ago, the admiral said:

It's so bizarre that there are even territorial rights within the Bay Area when no such split exists with other two-team markets. Even the Texas teams claim each other's markets, and Dallas and Houston are hundreds of miles apart.

This is where I'm at.

 

Obviously the Giants have exclusive rights to SJ and the way the law works? They'll have to paid off to surrender them. It's theirs, for better or worse. 

 

At the same time even the most fervent Giants fan has to admit it's an anomaly, and not necessary that that's a net positive for MLB as a whole. 

[Gothamite]

Yeah, it’s odd and not great that MLB carved up one of its two-team cities. 

 

But the only remedy is to buy it back from the Giants.  The current owners bought the club and all its assets - you can’t take assets away without fair compensation.  

[sky1324]

From what I've gathered from reading these boards, it seems like the A's had the chance to claim San Jose, but didn't some 20-30 years ago. As strange and stupid as it is for the Giants to exclusively own that territory, the only way we see the San Jose A's is if either the A's or the MLB convinces the Giants to part with San Jose, which would certainly involve monetary compensation (not to mention the single-A California League team the San Jose Giants would need to move).

[Eastport76]

Hi, Sorry, but I think Nashville is a better site than Portland. Why? Nashville had a large metro population of estimated to 1.75 million people and both of Nashville's pro teams(Titans and Predators) had high attendance. Exactly, the city supports them. Nashville's triple A Sounds are one of MiLB's most successful teams and Portland had trouble supported the triple A's Beavers ago. here's a few possible names for Nashville MLB team:

• Sounds(very possible)
• Blues
• Jazz
• Stings, etc.

 Sounds is the best name. Sounds really fits the city's famous country music and the city's nickname. yes,"The Music City"!

 

And I would love to see the Expos back.

[SFGiants58]

Ideally, the Giants would have sold their exclusive rights to San José after the construction of Willie Mays Park, as part of negotiating a Chicago/New York/Greater Los Angeles-style split. But since that didn’t happen, it’s really just the A’s fault for not ponying up the cash to take it back.

 

Yes, I know that the A’s gave the Giants “permission to explore” a San José/Santa Clara County relocation in 1990/1992 and includes the territory rights with it. Because this became a far more lucrative asset (which came with the current ownership group’s acquisition of the team), it would have to be a sale. 

 

Also, Portland is in a rather underserved area for baseball compared to Nashville. Unless Nashville has an ownership group or a stadium push as far along as Portland’s, it’s best to ignore Nashville.