Stadium/Arena Saga Omnibus

[tp49]

1 hour ago, Walk-Off said:

As I understand it, the City of Las Vegas proper does not include the Tropicana site (or at least the majority of the whole Las Vegas Strip, for that matter), Allegiant Stadium, or T-Mobile Arena; all of those properties are in an unincorporated part of Clark County, Nevada.  Thus, I suspect that the Las Vegas mayor's recent comment about the A's and their current ballpark quest stem ultimately from a rivalry with and/or jealousy toward unincorporated Clark County, and I doubt that she would express a wish that the A's work something out in Oakland if the team were targeting an at least equally problematic site that happened to be within the Las Vegas city limits.

You'd be correct, the City of Las Vegas includes none of The Strip as the city line starts at Sahara Avenue.

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I'd care more about the mayor's opinion if the Tropicana site was in the city limits where she would have some control, and if she wasn't in her last year in office. 

[LMU]

1 hour ago, tp49 said:

You'd be correct, the City of Las Vegas includes none of The Strip as the city line starts at Sahara Avenue.

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I'd care more about the mayor's opinion if the Tropicana site was in the city limits where she would have some control, and if she wasn't in her last year in office. 

Also add to that the mayor just being the nepotistic extension of her termed-out husband's administration and potential bitterness from the City already having Cashman Field abandoned by an Athletics affiliate for the new ballpark in unincorporated Clark County.

[GDAWG]

2 hours ago, Luigi74 said:

Those teams and eventually the A's don't play in her city, they play in Unincorporated Clark County. 

 

So it's like the New England Patriots in Foxborough?

[kolob]

7 minutes ago, GDAWG said:

So it's like the 49ers in Santa Clara County, the Jets and Giants in New Jersey, Patriots in Foxborough and the Cowboys in Arlington.  

Eh, less so ... it's still "Vegas" but the tax check goes somewhere else.

[LMU]

For those who keep thinking that the A’s can somehow survive in Oakland, even taking ballpark issues aside, this isn’t exactly much of a confidence instiller.

 

Combining with stories like this.

 

[GDAWG]

I would think that the Players Association will have to get involved in the A's situation somehow.  They are going to need answers from MLB and A's ownership on this situation.  

[tp49]

1 hour ago, LMU said:

For those who keep thinking that the A’s can somehow survive in Oakland, even taking ballpark issues aside, this isn’t exactly much of a confidence instiller.

 

Combining with stories like this.

 

The In N Out in question along with the two gas stations mentioned are on the other side of 880 from the Coliseum all use the same exit.  Makes me wonder if the "smash and grab spree" doesn't extend to the Coliseum parking lot on game days.

[Red Comet]

5 hours ago, LMU said:

For those who keep thinking that the A’s can somehow survive in Oakland, even taking ballpark issues aside, this isn’t exactly much of a confidence instiller.

 

Combining with stories like this.

 

 

So the A's are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Judging by the crime wave, I feel like I'm spelling "a rock" wrong. 

[LaGrandeOrange]

https://web.archive.org/web/20231211112611/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/08/business/organized-shoplifting-retail-crime-theft-retraction.html

 

https://popular.info/p/target-says-its-closing-9-stores?utm_source=digg

 

Worth noting, when you hear reporting of crime waves- much of the reporting that you hear in the papers/tv comes directly from press releases in order to create an atmosphere of fear, that conveniently get retracted after local election season.

[The_Admiral]

Are you saying that crime and antisocial behavior have not skyrocketed in American cities over the past four years?

[LaGrandeOrange]

13 minutes ago, The_Admiral said:

Are you saying that crime and antisocial behavior have not skyrocketed in American cities over the past four years?

 

I wasn't saying that, I was providing some colour to the press releases about theft.

 

The FBI is saying that though, fwiw- https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/crime-trend

 

If you go down to the rate of property crime, it was 2130.6 per 100,000 people in 2019, and in 2022 (the last year for which they have data) it's 1954.4, which is lower than the 2019 number.

 

All violent crimes did in fact spike in 2020, but the rates for 2019 (380.8 per 100,000) and 2022 (380.7 per 100,000) are functionally identical, and if you scale the chart back to the earliest data they have (1985), the recent years are basically a flat line, since in the early 90's it was in the 700s!

 

 

This is obviously not what the thread is about though, and I would recommend we not dwell on the idea that Oakland is crime ridden in a thread about baseball in a forum with rules against politics threads.

[Red Comet]

I wanted to make a stupid pun more than talking about Oakland or some social commentary about a place I never have been nor intend to ever go.

 

Anyways, the Boston Braves were renamed the Boston Bees for a few years and considering that Salt Lake City is emerging as a dark horse candidate, why not bring back that moniker in the Beehive State? 

Edited February 7 by Red Comet

[LaGrandeOrange]

Utah getting an MLB and NHL team in quick succession feels like it'd be too many for such a small market. A lot of these current wave of "Major" league cities feel like they'll reach their tipping points fast.

[FiddySicks]

56 minutes ago, LaGrandeOrange said:

Utah getting an MLB and NHL team in quick succession feels like it'd be too many for such a small market.

SLC getting even one of those teams is too much for that market. Both would be absolute lunacy. 

[The_Admiral]

Whatever Oakland's problems may be, and they're similar to the many other American cities besieged by feral/antisocial behavior, I still believe there's no better place for them and that the league and union should do everything they can to keep them in the East Bay, up to and including throwing money at the Giants to claw back the "territorial rights" that don't have a right to exist. Here's hoping common sense prevails. "Disband the team for three years," go to hell.

[infrared41]

12 hours ago, Red Comet said:

Anyways, the Boston Braves were renamed the Boston Bees for a few years and considering that Salt Lake City is emerging as a dark horse candidate, why not bring back that moniker in the Beehive State? 

 

Salt Lake has the AAA Bees, but they're moving to suburb called South Jordan after this season.

[Digby]

The A's managed to play at the Coliseum when Oakland was drowning in crack, and when the Black Panthers and the cops were openly at war across town. I don't think some Denny's parking lot break-ins are really why they're fleeing now.

[OnWis97]

If I take everything I read at face value, most MLB teams need to flee their urban hellscapes.  The Twins, Mariners, Giants, Dodgers, and Cardinals, just to name a few, better get to the suburbs or roll the dice on smaller markets.

[chcarlson23]

48 minutes ago, OnWis97 said:

If I take everything I read at face value, most MLB teams need to flee their urban hellscapes.  The Twins, Mariners, Giants, Dodgers, and Cardinals, just to name a few, better get to the suburbs or roll the dice on smaller markets.

What do you mean by this? The Twins literally play in one of the nicest and affluent neighborhoods in Minneapolis, at the corner of North Loop. I have no idea what you mean by urban hellscape. I mean sure, there are not great parts of Minneapolis, but geez

[McCall]

1 hour ago, OnWis97 said:

If I take everything I read at face value, most MLB teams need to flee their urban hellscapes.  The Twins, Mariners, Giants, Dodgers, and Cardinals, just to name a few, better get to the suburbs or roll the dice on smaller markets.

Yeah, but that's ALL Oakland has going for it. At least the other cities have additional stuff to do in between car jackings and shoplifting flash mobs. Y'know, assuming you're out of the hospital or morgue in time to enjoy them.