NFL 2023 Changes

[The_Admiral]

1 hour ago, HOOVER said:

Sitting in Mom’s basement :censored:ting all over Nike because they “can’t make historically accurate dazzle pants” is ridiculous when the pants weren’t always shiny.

 

What is this, a Usenet group? a Q&A on Prodigy? Good gravy.

[IceCap]

8 hours ago, HOOVER said:

But that doesn’t mean you are being accurate or truthful when spew venom at the manufacturer as being inept, or somehow inferior to manufacturers that are, in fact, inferior.

Shoe companies will never love you back. 

[SFGiants58]

7 hours ago, the admiral said:

 

What is this, a Usenet group? a Q&A on Prodigy? Good gravy.

If it’s classic 4chan, then I must post my cringey bathroom renovation that will obviously attract “females.”

[DCarp1231]

Ah, the ol “niche hobbyist  = basement dwellers” nonsensical comparison 

[monkeypower]

Notice no response to my Reebok Jets post(s). Just back to the pants.

[Old School Fool]

23 hours ago, HOOVER said:

Sitting in Mom’s basement

 

 

[tBBP]

On 7/8/2023 at 11:14 AM, Sec19Row53 said:

It's tough to argue that we've missed your point when you pull out the 'that's just your opinion that you can't defend' vibe. It's also tough to think you could actually defend a point by pulling out the 'sitting in mommy's basement' tripe.

Hey @tBBP can I borrow a couple of rusty Lincolns here?

 

Sure, long as you can tolerate the sound of throwing pennies....

 

 

 

[Carolingian Steamroller]

Mind you a big chunk of aesthetics are driven by the men and women actually wearing the uniform in the field.

So much of the last two decades of football design is a direct reaction to players trying to avoid having their sleeves held. Shrinking sleeves wasn't a change imposed but something that started with players tucking in the sleeve cuffs and tying them off with string.

 

Then the shoulders got narrower as players wanted more mobility and lighter, closer fitting pads. That's one reason why we're seeing TV numbers disappear. There's now a lot less space between the jersey collar and the sleeve seam.

Likewise, I'm certain on the pants end we've probably been seeing players demanding lighter and lighter fabrics. The old shiny elastic fabric looked great but it absorbed sweat really easy while also being tough to wick away into the air.

Also good to remember that the average NFL player has never known anything but interchangeable uniforms in the many years they have played the game going back to Pop Warner football. Remember that Broncos swoosh design is now a quarter century old, hardly anyone in the NFL ever watched a game with the original orange crush design. The Oregon Ducks debuted their first radical redesign in 1999, a quarter of the projected starting QBs in the NFL next season were born in that year or later. It's a totally different experience than older fans (or older souls).

[FiddySicks]

On 7/7/2023 at 4:29 PM, the admiral said:

Metallic helmets sort of force matching pants, though, don't they? I can't think of a case where deviating from that match was an improvement: 49ers and Saints were worse, all-white Raiders were worse, Buccaneers were worse but at its best that set still isn't good.

I was with you until this drivel. Bucs set is fantastic. 

[Brave-Bird 08]

Steamroller makes good points but I’m not sure how we went from body-tight jerseys and pads just so that players can now wear undershirts that stick out and essentially act as grab-flags. 

[Carolingian Steamroller]

14 hours ago, Brave-Bird 08 said:

Steamroller makes good points but I’m not sure how we went from body-tight jerseys and pads just so that players can now wear undershirts that stick out and essentially act as grab-flags. 

 

That's a minority though and the baggy undershirt, untucked baselayer has been a much more recent development. There's also some positional stuff going on. I tend to see WR's as the most likely to have the untucked look or baggy sleeves and given the current state of officiated, WR's almost want to be held.

[Germanshepherd]

If that’s the case I need every scientist on the world to focus on making lightweight dazzle pants ASAP

[Carolingian Steamroller]

3 hours ago, Germanshepherd said:

If that’s the case I need every scientist on the world to focus on making lightweight dazzle pants ASAP

 

I feel like Under Armour has been inching towards it but yeah it does feel like the space race of modern football outfitting.

 

[Rockstar Matt]

16 hours ago, HOOVER said:

Sitting in Mom’s basement

 

Firstly, I'm a fully grown adult, comfortably in my 30's now. 

 

16 hours ago, HOOVER said:

:censored:ting all over Nike because they “can’t make historically accurate dazzle pants” is ridiculous when the pants weren’t always shiny.

But that doesn’t mean you are being accurate or truthful when spew venom at the manufacturer as being inept, or somehow inferior to manufacturers that are, in fact, inferior.

 

You'll find that I have not stated this nor anything close to this in the quote of mine you're replying to. Hell I was arguing in favor of matte pants because they're more historically accurate than dazzle fabric (although, @Carolingian Steamroller pointed out that satin pants have been available to use for nearly 100 years which I didn't know and is honestly, quite awesome). 

 

I was simply stating that the dazzle fabric went away because the NFL did not care enough about it to force Nike to continue making it. Nike's done a lot of things that I like and dislike with the NFL. For example, I absolutely love how much better the retail jerseys are when compared to Reebok or earlier manufacturers. I have to say, I find your blind homerism and defending of Nike to be a little weird too. They aren't infallible, just like any other company. 

 

16 hours ago, HOOVER said:

Many of you have missed my point entirely ... That’s it.  That’s my point.  

 

It's hard to understand what your point is when you still communicate at a child-like level at times.

[dont care]

5 hours ago, Carolingian Steamroller said:

 

I feel like Under Armour has been inching towards it but yeah it does feel like the space race of modern football outfitting.

 

That’s nowhere close to dazzle, those are matte as can be.

[Carolingian Steamroller]

1 minute ago, dont care said:

That’s nowhere close to dazzle, those are matte as can be.

 

Take a closer look at number 9 on the right. It's not dazzle but its not exactly matte either.

[dont care]

1 minute ago, Carolingian Steamroller said:

 

Take a closer look at number 9 on the right. It's not dazzle but it’s not exactly matte either.

 I see matte pants like everyone else. They’re dirty, there is no metallic flake or anything to those pants.

[GriffinM6]

Notre Dame did have some type of dazzle fabric for their Shamrock Series pants back in 2021 I believe. It's possible (from UA at least) to still make modern dazzle pants.

[damnyoutuesday]

13 minutes ago, GriffinM6 said:

Notre Dame did have some type of dazzle fabric for their Shamrock Series pants back in 2021 I believe. It's possible (from UA at least) to still make modern dazzle pants.

They honestly look uncomfortable

[Carolingian Steamroller]

13 hours ago, GriffinM6 said:

Notre Dame did have some type of dazzle fabric for their Shamrock Series pants back in 2021 I believe. It's possible (from UA at least) to still make modern dazzle pants.

In play they looked more or less dazzley (that's a word, right?) depending on the light. I don't think they are that different from ND's normal pants.





I always thought it was funny that they designed those Packer-style Shamrock Series uniforms for when the game was scheduled to be played in Lambeau Field but they had to reschedule because of COVID and it wound up in Soldier Field in Chicago, home of the Bears.