NFL 2023 Changes

[Old School Fool]

13 hours ago, DCarp1231 said:

 

Wasn’t the intention of including pewter for the helmet to mimic a cannonball? If that’s the case, they missed the mark.

 

Funny you mentioned that because a forgotten element of the Buccaneers 2014 rebrand was that the Helmet had cannonball wear marks as stripes for the helmet. Unfortunately, as with the Jaguars 2-tone helmet, the idea of a spray or gradient effect didn't look how it should have in game. They got rid of it within a season or two.

 

 

[TruColor]

21 hours ago, BigBird34 said:

We had a Broncos helmet wall clock that we got after the Elway Superbowl, so after logo switch so this was my only reference for the old logo. I was convinced for far too long that the logo was someone punching a horse.

[PrimalCookie]

4 hours ago, Old School Fool said:

 

Funny you mentioned that because a forgotten element of the Buccaneers 2014 rebrand was that the Helmet had cannonball wear marks as stripes for the helmet. Unfortunately, as with the Jaguars 2-tone helmet, the idea of a spray or gradient effect didn't look how it should have in game. They got rid of it within a season or two.

 

 

Seems like it was dropped after preseason, since this picture's from week 1 of 2014:

[TBGKon]

4 minutes ago, PrimalCookie said:

Seems like it was dropped after preseason, since this picture's from week 1 of 2014:

Yes it was, there was a shift after the preseason and camp.  

[tBBP]

4 hours ago, Old School Fool said:

 

 

 

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[Sport]

For my money those are the worst uniforms in NFL history. There isn't a single good decision anywhere in that steaming pile. 

[Sport]

  

18 hours ago, DCarp1231 said:

 

Wasn’t the intention of including pewter for the helmet to mimic a cannonball? If that’s the case, they missed the mark.

 

I think they chose that color to evoke a feeling rather than a specific reference to one object or another. Plus it was completely unique to the sport so they could own it in a way that you can't with white or black helmets. Some of the prototypes look great, but they don't have the punch that the pewter helmets have and other teams were already using those colors at the time. 

 

18 hours ago, DCarp1231 said:

Ohio State on the other hand, hit the mark a few years ago with their alternate black helmet-

 

 

Textured helmets weren't a thing in 1997. Your choices back then were basically gloss metallic, gloss non-metallic, or semigloss like the Steelers.  

[PERRIN]

5 minutes ago, Sport said:

For my money those are the worst uniforms in NFL history. There isn't a single good decision anywhere in that steaming pile. 

Definitely up there, but at the very least it's got good color blocking and color balance below the neck, and all of the ugly motifs play off of each other somewhat well. I still don't like any of it, but it feels consistent within itself, if that makes any sense. Easily top 3 worst of all time, up there with the Rams' all bone and the Commanders' black set.

[FiddySicks]

God, the more I see of it the more that whole rebrand was such a disaster. This team has done a whole lotta off putting throughout the years that would turn most fans away, but I stayed for just about all of it, because I’m foolish. But that was my breaking point. I actually stopped calling myself a Bucs fan at that point, and hopped back on the 49ers bandwagon for awhile. I just couldn’t do it with those losers anymore. They sucked on the field, and overnight ruined their entire brand. They went from one of the classiest looking teams in the league to the dumbest looking team in NFL history. It’s been years since then and I’m actually still mad about it.  @Sport is right that it’s the worst rebrand in not just NFL, but sports history. Them bringing back a look that was closer to the original flag look was like having a curse lifted. I felt like I finally had my team back. There are still issues with the current brand (the shade of pewter, the downgraded logo, as we’ve talked about for the last few pages), but it’s close enough for me. Hopefully this organization gets some sense at some point and realizes what a big mistake it was to change to the new garbage flag, but I doubt it. It’s the one element of the rebrand I just have to sort of live with, I guess. 

[Brave-Bird 08]

26 minutes ago, Sport said:

For my money those are the worst uniforms in NFL history. There isn't a single good decision anywhere in that steaming pile. 

 

Them and the Jaguars and Browns uniforms were equally bad. Nike had too many new elements they wanted to show off and threw them all at once at the Bucs, Jags and Browns redos (after doing a pretty darn good job with Seattle). Often I see the argument made defending Nike, saying at the end of the day these teams have the final say in what they wear. But man, go back and look, all three of those teams got hit with the same weird style tropes. The cheap triangular inserts as a way of adding color, the contrasting stitching on the seams and collars, the ridiculously bad attempts at adding detail to the helmets, the weird plastic material on the Jags shoulders that none of us to this day understand what the purpose was, or what it was supposed to be. Clunky, multi-stroke number fonts. Giant word marks in Cleveland's case. The list goes on. 

[Carolingian Steamroller]

12 hours ago, MJD7 said:

I thought the Bucs’ creamsicles looked absolutely gorgeous in action. Paired up against the Lions finally wearing silver pants, it’s gotta be my matchup of the year, by virtue of its uniqueness.

I think keeping it reserved to one game a year is perfect, it keeps it special (having the designated “creamsicle game” every year) while still keeping it relevant to the brand. I don’t think the creamsicle would work full-time because the away jersey simply isn’t as endearing as the home.

 

I disagree with this because the creamsicles and the modern set are trying to do completely different things, so taking the ‘97 logo out of its proper context within the rest of the brand doesn’t really work.

 

The creamsicle set is bright, fun, and kind of kitschy, which is why it was derided in its time but also why it’s beloved with the lens of nostalgia. On the other hand, the post-1997 brand is meant to be dark, menacing, and intimidating, a seemingly deliberate course correction from the creamsicle look.

 

This is why any attempts to combine the two, whether by bringing the newer logos in or adding black/pewter to the creamsicles, don’t work in my opinion, because the two brands are so diametrically opposed. I think a throwback game still works though, precisely because of the contrast. The creamsicle is a refreshing change of pace from the Bucs’ usual dark and moody set.

 

I also disagree with this, because I think the bright colors of the creamsicle are precisely what make it work. Darkening both colors would make the set completely lose its appeal to me.

 

Agree with pretty much all of this.

 

The change in fabric has really helped but also the league more generally. There's been a shift towards black and darker blues (Chargers and Rams excepted) since the 1997 rebrand so going with the brighter scheme is a breath of fresh air. 

Now if we could get this to make an appearance in 2023 that would be good.

 

[timjameskohler]

5 hours ago, Old School Fool said:

 

Funny you mentioned that because a forgotten element of the Buccaneers 2014 rebrand was that the Helmet had cannonball wear marks as stripes for the helmet. Unfortunately, as with the Jaguars 2-tone helmet, the idea of a spray or gradient effect didn't look how it should have in game. They got rid of it within a season or two.

 

 

From a distance, I didn’t think these uniforms looked that bad. It had a few elements that I prefer to the current ones:

 

—The brighter red 

—Red socks at home, pewter socks on the road

—Incorporation of the creamsicle orange

 

The problems lie in the details. The atrocious numbers, shoulder yokes, asymmetrical sleeves…weird striping…oversized logo…

 

If they used that red/orange and the original 1997 pewter, they’d have a great looking set. We appreciate the current getup now because it’s not the bonkers 2014 look, but today it just looks horribly boring. Drab pewter, WAH constantly, more black than red. Snooze. 

[Lights Out]

1 hour ago, Sport said:

For my money those are the worst uniforms in NFL history. There isn't a single good decision anywhere in that steaming pile. 

 

I still like everything about that look besides the alarm clock numbers and maybe the mismatched sleeve logos. Even with those poor choices, I still don't think they were worse than this...

 

 

...or this...

 

 

...or some of the crap that Reebok came up with over the years.

[The_Admiral]

1 hour ago, Sport said:

For my money those are the worst uniforms in NFL history. There isn't a single good decision anywhere in that steaming pile. 

It's a photo finish between the alarm clock Bucs and the Commanders, and someone should burn that photo.

[WBeltz]

6 minutes ago, Lights Out said:

 

I still like everything about that look besides the alarm clock numbers and maybe the mismatched sleeve logos. Even with those poor choices, I still don't think they were worse than this...

 

 

The Rams "bone" unifrom isn't bad by any means. The color and the white patch are what do it in. Otherwise I would say it is a fine, serviceable uniform, that would do better or would fit in more for a college team. 

[DCarp1231]

Even if new ownership resets the uniform rule, it still takes 18-24 months for the design process to be completed. That puts us at the end of year 4 for a potential new Commanders set and that’s even if Josh Harris & Co. want anything to do with a redesign. I highly doubt it’s their first priority either. Odds are this Mandies set is likely going to last the full 5 years.

[Lights Out]

8 minutes ago, WBeltz said:

The Rams "bone" unifrom isn't bad by any means. The color and the white patch are what do it in. Otherwise I would say it is a fine, serviceable uniform, that would do better or would fit in more for a college team. 

 

Besides how the color makes them look gross and unwashed, whatever they were trying to do with the sleeves looks horrific, and the yellow trim on the jerseys and pants vibrates against the bone color and disappears from a distance. The stripes on the bone pants having only yellow and white was a questionable decision too. They also sometimes ruin the superior blue jerseys by wearing them with bone pants.

 

 

I'm waiting for the day they go with white-over-bone or vice versa... now that will truly be an atrocity.

[Sport]

10 minutes ago, Lights Out said:

 

I still like everything about that look besides the alarm clock numbers and maybe the mismatched sleeve logos. Even with those poor choices, I still don't think they were worse than this...

 

 

...or this...

 

 

...or some of the crap that Reebok came up with over the years.

 

You and I have done this before and I just don't agree. I can't see how anyone could find them anything other than hideous. We're getting into personal preferences territory so I'll just say if you removed the number font, which is the Jaguars black/gold helmet of number fonts, they'd still be disgusting in my eyes. They're every bad modern trend of the late 2000's/early 2010's, used entirely thoughtlessly, and the Bucs took their color palette and turned it into mud. The whole thing reminds me of when you're a kid and you mix mustard and ketchup together.

 

I'm not a fan of the Rams and Commandos looks or any of the other All Time Bad contenders mentioned here (The Browns 2015 update would be my easy #2), but none of them combined bad design trends with bad design choices with bad color usage with bad logo updates with bad facemasks choices with bad everything quite like that Bucs uniform. It's the biggest mess I've ever seen and that's why it's my #1. 

 

And the number font should be an actual crime. It can't just be handwaved away like it's not a huge part of the problem. Everyone responsible for that shouldn't have to go to prison, but, like, 500 hours community service every year would be a good first step towards justice. 

[DCarp1231]

Man, white socks with the same striping as the jersey and pants would elevate this look exponentially

[Sport]

They're spiritually close enough to these uniforms that they feel correct for the Cardinals

 

 

they're a pair of red socks away from being an actual good uniform. 

 

The all-white sock trend is the worst thing to happen to NFL aesthetics since the Bucs alarm clock digits.