Red Comet Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) JaguarGator9 breaks down into detail why the Peacock broadcast sucked beyond the whole “putting crucial games behind a paywall”. Guy apparently worked in a production truck for ESPN so this is really good coming from that perspective. I missed the first half of the third quarter because of those clowns. Edited January 14 by Red Comet 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDAWG Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 22 minutes ago, Red Comet said: JaguarGator9 breaks down into detail why the Peacock broadcast sucked beyond the whole “putting crucial games behind a paywall”. Guy apparently worked in a production truck for ESPN so this is really good coming from that perspective. I missed the first half of the third quarter because of those clowns. He did a lot of sports announcing at his alma mater, so he knows a thing or two about broadcasts but it might be via ESPN3. Also has a law degree from Arizona State and had ties to other sports YouTubers such as Urinating Tree, Five Points Vids and Brandon Perna (he mentions that he is a part of the same agency as them). He had a video on plagiarism and targeted a YouTuber named Depressed Ginger for doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infrared41 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 2 hours ago, Red Comet said: JaguarGator9 breaks down into detail why the Peacock broadcast sucked beyond the whole “putting crucial games behind a paywall”. Guy apparently worked in a production truck for ESPN so this is really good coming from that perspective. I missed the first half of the third quarter because of those clowns. Three minutes in and I can tell you he's already full of . on at least one thing. NBC didn't use people "who have no sports experience" to broadcast the game. That's simply not how sports productions work - especially at the network level. If NBC actually was short of qualified crew people (they weren't) there are at minimum hundreds of highly qualified sports production people they could have brought in to pick up the slack. The simple explanation is the production team had a bad night. It happens. If he really did work for the "ESPN family of networks" he should already know this. Especially when you understand that ESPN uses freelancers all the time all over the country. Does this guy really believe that networks have full time crews for every NFL game and all the college football games they do? (they don't) He does if he has no idea what he's talking about. Case in point, we have a big NHRA event every year. The broadcast was on Fox and FS1, but the production was done by a non-affiliated production company that was hired to do the event. Long story short, the idea that NBC didn't have enough qualified people so they grabbed someone from the Nightly News or whatever is absurd. That's just not how it works. Back when I was working for the "ESPN family of networks" (AKA freelancing through our local RSN) our people were worked for any network that needed them. I worked for ESPN, ABC, and CBS broadcasts. A couple years ago, a friend of mine in Syracuse - whose full time job is teaching at a local college - directed a bowl game the Buckeyes played in. (I can't remember which game. Might have been the Cotton Bowl.) That's a lot of words to say that JG9 is talking out his ass on this one. He may have sat in ESPN trucks, but he clearly has no idea how working in sports production actually works. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Comet Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) 7 minutes ago, infrared41 said: Three minutes in and I can tell you he's already full of . on at least one thing. NBC didn't use people "who have no sports experience" to broadcast the game. That's simply not how sports productions work - especially at the network level. If NBC actually was short of qualified crew people (they weren't) there are at minimum hundreds of highly qualified sports production people they could have brought in to pick up the slack. The simple explanation is the production team had a bad night. It happens. If he really did work for the "ESPN family of networks" he should already know this. Especially when you understand that ESPN uses freelancers all the time all over the country. Does this guy really believe that networks have full time crews for every NFL game and all the college football games they do? (they don't) He does if he has no idea what he's talking about. Case in point, we have a big NHRA event every year. The broadcast was on Fox andFS1, but the production was done by a non-affiliated production company that was hired to do the event. Long story short, the idea that NBC didn't have enough qualified people so they grabbed someone from the Nightly News or whatever is absurd. That's just not how it works. Back when I was working for the "ESPN family of networks" (AKA as freelancing through our local RSN) our people were worked for any network that needed them. I worked for ESPN, ABC, and CBS broadcasts. A couple years ago, a friend of mine in Syracuse - whose full time job is teaching at a local college - directed a bowl game the Buckeyes played in. (I can't remember which game. Might have been the Cotton Bowl.) That's a lot of words to say that JG9 is talking out his ass on this one. He may have sat in ESPN trucks, but he clearly has no idea how working in sports production actually works. Thank you for the actual insider perspective. Part of me had an inkling of an idea that he was exaggerating his accomplishments when I posted it, then I see GDAWG saying he graduated from law school at Arizona State and then I knew this guy was talking out of his ass. I would respect a law degree from Disneyland more than Arizona State. Dude always had a pompous tone in his videos too so I guess I thought I could overlook it based on the pretense of expertise. Really shows the whole "real experts aren't talking about their expertise on TV or social media. they're actually working in their field under practical anonymity". Edited January 14 by Red Comet 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infrared41 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 14 minutes ago, Red Comet said: Thank you for the actual insider perspective. Part of me had an inkling of an idea that he was exaggerating his accomplishments when I posted it, then I see GDAWG saying he graduated from law school at Arizona State and then I knew this guy was talking out of his ass. I would respect a law degree from Disneyland more than Arizona State. Dude always had a pompous tone in his videos too so I guess I thought I could overlook it based on the pretense of expertise. Really shows the whole "real experts aren't talking about their expertise on TV or social media. they're actually working in their field under practical anonymity". He wasn't exaggerating, he was writing pure fiction. The second I heard "NBC didn't have enough people" I had to say something. Anyway...Sports production is fun, but it's also hard work that ain't all that glamorous. The top tier people are on the road a lot of the time (most of these folks work all the sports, not just football) and they have to work in any and all weather conditions. It can be a real grind. Just ask the camera crew at last night's game. To JG9's credit, he has a great idea for a YouTube channel, but, and this kinda tells you he has no real broadcasting experience, his videos would be way better if he had the first idea how to edit himself. If he had any practical experience, his videos would be six minutes long and his subscriber base would probably double as a result. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infrared41 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 hour ago, GDAWG said: He did a lot of sports announcing at his alma mater, so he knows a thing or two about broadcasts After watching the first few minutes, I can assure you that he does not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 I think there is something to NBC Sports being stretched thin, though. People said a lot of the same things about Bills-Chargers on Christmas, that the whole production felt unpleasant and vaguely off its game. You don't see the long depth charts for regional coverage that you used to see like10 years ago because so many games get farmed out to Dusseldorf and Liverpool and Up My Mom's Ass and those all get sent to the NFL Network, but on the occasions where CBS or Fox had like a #6 noon game, there was a distinct dropoff in coverage quality, which at the time even manifested itself in the outcomes: fewer cameras at the game ---> fewer replay angles ---> missed calls were harder to overturn ---> a team could steal a win in front of a two-media-market audience. So I don't think it's as simple as any network being able to produce any game equally well as long as there's a truck and people in it. The production errors were bad but I think bringing that up is kind of gilding the lily: the real issue here was that streaming platforms, or at least this one, don't have the infrastructure for mass-audience live programming. Even in their second year, Amazon Prime games still had buffering and downsampling, which you never have to deal with if you're just watching your local CBS affiliate through cable the way God intended. 1 Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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infrared41 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 6 minutes ago, The_Admiral said: I think there is something to NBC Sports being stretched thin, though. People said a lot of the same things about Bills-Chargers on Christmas, that the whole production felt unpleasant and vaguely off its game. If NBC is stretched thin it's not because there aren't enough qualified people, it's because they won't spend the money to use the qualified people. That aside, a Titans - Jags game is not going to have the same budget as a Cowboys - Niners game. Yes, you're going to get less camera angles and bells and whistles on a game that's basically being broadcast in Nashville and Jacksonville than you are with a national game. This is not a new thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infrared41 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 7 minutes ago, Cosmic said: 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The_Admiral Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Why do they look like the same person? 3 1 Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanMcD29 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 hour ago, infrared41 said: To JG9's credit, he has a great idea for a YouTube channel, but, and this kinda tells you he has no real broadcasting experience, his videos would be way better if he had the first idea how to edit himself. If he had any practical experience, his videos would be six minutes long and his subscriber base would probably double as a result. Yeah that's the thing I see whenever one of his videos pop up on my recommended feed on YouTube. He's got some interesting ideas but he takes way too long to set up the point and it's 7 and a half minutes in and you're still waiting to get to the fireworks factory Quote Twitter: @RyanMcD29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 13 minutes ago, infrared41 said: Well, yeah, the sun is out at my house and the roads are plowed because I live slightly north of the city, like a civilized person. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_ThenNowForever Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Maybe this is why the refs are biased against Buffalo. No one wants to be there into late January. (Kidding but not really.) Quote 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruttep Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 hour ago, DG_ThenNowForever said: Maybe this is why the refs are biased against Buffalo. No one wants to be there into late January. (Kidding but not really.) I mean I doubt anyone wanted to be in New England or Green Bay in late January and yet those teams were getting calls for years (kind of /s) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowler2 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Win or lose the Cowboys will be the nauseating story on Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infrared41 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 2 hours ago, RyanMcD29 said: Yeah that's the thing I see whenever one of his videos pop up on my recommended feed on YouTube. He's got some interesting ideas but he takes way too long to set up the point and it's 7 and a half minutes in and you're still waiting to get to the fireworks factory Exactly. If you can hang in until he gets to the actual point of the video, he does some pretty cool stuff. The 15 minutes of "first some background" is where he loses me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infrared41 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 2 hours ago, The_Admiral said: Why do they look like the same person? They are the same person. It's all part of that Communist Whore's PSYOP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramerica Industries Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Already panic time in Dallas. It's funny how the same story plays out every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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