HatCityEnforcer Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Kobe is an amazing player. The "li'l more than hype" argument does not hold water. But no single player -- not even MJ -- can win championships all by himself. Kobe first, last and always may be enough to beat the Raptors in January, but come playoff time the Lakers will be first round losers.My beef w/ Kobe is not that he's overhyped, nor that he carries his team. My beef is that his team sux in large part because Kobe was largely responsible for driving the rest of the talent away. I think Kobe wanted to prove that he could carry a team all by himself. He feuded w/ Shaq and Phil and demanded that the front office choose between them. Kobe won that power struggle, but at the expense of the players who could help him add to his tally of titles.It would not surprise me if Kobe never wins another ring. That's a shame, IMO. His individual ability is undeniable, but that alone is insufficient to ensure his place in the Pantheon. Making teammates better, working together to win champions -- that's how a player of Kobe's supreme talent builds a legacy of greatness. Totally agreed....and that's my main issue with #8 for the Lakers. If he'd just keep his damn ego in check and share the spotlight with some quality guys that could take the LakeShow to the next level, he'd probably be in excellent shape to get a few more rings down the road....Jordan was able to do this (with Pippen, Kukoc, Rodman, etc) and it was a huge reason why the Bulls became the dominant team they did....they were still Jordan's team, but as you stated above, no man can win a title by himself alone.====================================================That being said, dropping 81 on ANYONE is pretty mind boggling. I don't like Kobe one damn bit (personally, I think he's a knucklehead and an egomaniac), but I can give the guy his due for an incredible performance like last night. FANTASY TEAMSHousatonic U. Dragons (NCFA Basketball): 16-6 (8-4 Conf.)--National Runner-UpJersey State U. (NCFA Football): Inaugural Year - 2006Motor City Silverhawks (WArFL): 9-4 (3rd--National Conf.)Lehigh Valley Ironmen (WAmFL): Inaugural Season--2006New England Marauders RFC (RLI): 6-0-7 (6th place)Detroit Spirit (AA): 3-6 (T-4th--Patriot League)Brooklyn Atlantics (IBF): 10-5 (1st--Appalachian Conf.)Boston Mariners RFU (WRU): Coming Soon!New York Americans (SHL): Inaugural Season - 2006-07 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amare32 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Leads to the fact that basketball is a selfish game. Not really. NBA champions are overwhelming clubs that play team basketball. Kobeism is not an excuse to pile on the game of basketball as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HatCityEnforcer Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Leads to the fact that basketball is a selfish game. Tell that to the last 2 teams that won the NBA title....Last time I checked, San Antonio and Detroit sure as heck don't play "selfish" basketball... FANTASY TEAMSHousatonic U. Dragons (NCFA Basketball): 16-6 (8-4 Conf.)--National Runner-UpJersey State U. (NCFA Football): Inaugural Year - 2006Motor City Silverhawks (WArFL): 9-4 (3rd--National Conf.)Lehigh Valley Ironmen (WAmFL): Inaugural Season--2006New England Marauders RFC (RLI): 6-0-7 (6th place)Detroit Spirit (AA): 3-6 (T-4th--Patriot League)Brooklyn Atlantics (IBF): 10-5 (1st--Appalachian Conf.)Boston Mariners RFU (WRU): Coming Soon!New York Americans (SHL): Inaugural Season - 2006-07 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclopsis Joe Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Yeah, good job Kobe.I wonder what the Lakers will do when someone puts all 5 of his guys against Bryant?Surely if I can think of that, some coach can..either that, or I definately need to change careers. I don't speak for democrats, democrats don't speak for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigga Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Chamberlain carried teams on his back to championship appearances. Bryant slings female 19-year old hotel employees on their backs to get his jollies.What an "a$$hole-ish" thing to say. You're better than this. On January 16, 2013 at 3:49 PM, NJTank said: Btw this is old hat for Notre Dame. Knits Rockne made up George Tip's death bed speech.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamingboy Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Dude, I don't care if no other Laker even looked at the ball. 81 points is obscene. Nuts. I mean, seriously, when someone is that good, you don't call him a ball hog. When his teammates are that bad, you realize that Kobe is the Laker's only hope of ever winning games. Kobe this year has been amazing. How amazing? As in "Schedule-A-Game-In-Hershey-PA" amazing. Insert Witty Signature Here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Clemente Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Next time I use the toilet, I'm gonna say I'm "dropping 81 on the Raptors".--Roger "Time?" Clemente. Follow me on Twitter if you care: @Animal_Clans.My opinion may or may not be the same as yours. The choice is up to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nation Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Which brings me to my next question.Would Michael Jordan been able to score 100, if he was on the lakers yesterday and in his prime.Think about it...And would Kobe have been able to score 60+ if he was on Chicago...during anypoint of the Chicago dynasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
See Red Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Chamberlain carried teams on his back to championship appearances. Bryant slings female 19-year old hotel employees on their backs to get his jollies.What an "a$$hole-ish" thing to say. Ignorant too, considering that according to Wilt Chamberlain's claim, he slept with 1.2 women per day from when he was 15 until the day he died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gradients Kick Butt Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Big deal. A meaningless January game and a Laker team that's headed nowhere. Keep on chuckin' up those shots, Kobe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Next time I use the toilet, I'm gonna say I'm "dropping 81 on the Raptors".--Roger "Time?" Clemente. Man, I didn't think about laughing out loud when I read it. It's great to be young and a Giant! - Larry Doyle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFoA Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Chamberlain carried teams on his back to championship appearances. Bryant slings female 19-year old hotel employees on their backs to get his jollies.What an "a$$hole-ish" thing to say. You're better than this.Yeah, that is super-hating on Kobe. I don't like the guy, but bringing up something that is totally unrelated to basketball makes no sense. I gotta tip the hat to him. Anybody who gets 81 points, that's amazing and he should've taken a picture with the number "81". Add to that the fact that they came back from 16 down to do the only thing that matters, which is to get the "W". So basically, what I'm saying is this: If scoring 81 is what it takes to win, then do it. Don't give me that junk about "Oh, he didn't pass the ball." or "Oh, he's a supposed rapist from 2 years ago." All that matters is that he did what it took to win the game, and he accomplished that mission. So yeah, Go Kobe, you are now #81.   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michigan Dave Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 This is way more impressive than Wilt's 100. For a perimeter player to drop 81 without the luxury of the easy drop-in points in the paint a center would get, the athleticism involved in running the floor and playing more athletic defense, it's just amazing. Of course, Chauncey Billups would've gotten 82. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSU151 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 This is way more impressive than Wilt's 100. For a perimeter player to drop 81 without the luxury of the easy drop-in points in the paint a center would get, the athleticism involved in running the floor and playing more athletic defense, it's just amazing. Of course, Chauncey Billups would've gotten 82. There's a quote in the paper today from Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (the Lakers great, not the ex-Dolphins player), and he talked about watching last night's game, as well as seeing Elgin Baylor score 71 against the Knicks in 1960. Kareem said this: "Elgin's game was an incredible performance, also. I don't think there's any comparison. Elgin did it without 3-pointers". But if you look at the numbers, which Kareem should have done before shooting off his mouth, you will notice that Kobe would have scored 74 points if no 3-point line existed - so last night's game was undoubtedly the best one-man performance by a Laker...ever.Big deal. A meaningless January game and a Laker team that's headed nowhere. Keep on chuckin' up those shots, Kobe.I hate comments like this. You sound completely idiotic. "Big deal"...man, show some appreciation for the sport and its history. I'm sorry it didn't happen to someone on the Pistons. But for a player to have the second-highest point total ever in a league that has existed for 60 years IS a big deal. I hope that when you do something successful (if that even happens), someone says to you "Big deal" and some smartass comment. And think about it...Kobe outscored both Dallas and Portland (if you count only the scores at the end of regulation, as both teams were tied at 79), scored one less point than the entire Wizards team, three points less than the Timberwolves, and five points less than the 76ers. Simply astounding.And to conclude, I agree with amare and a couple others that while this feat is amazing, it is well known that one-man basketball will never win a championship. Smart is believing half of what you hear. Genius is knowing which half. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natsfan36 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 although there is no I in team, there is a ME I just wanna do hoodrat things with my friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CS85 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Was Kobe being guarded by Peanut Tillman? Quote "You are nothing more than a small cancer on this message board. You are not entertaining, you are a complete joke." twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadragon76 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I don't think so. But, you have to wonder if you're a Raptors fan (If there are any).Your team just basically got whipped by a one man wrecking crew and no one laid a hand on him! Dude, contest those shots, man. Although Kobe's a good player, don't get me wrong, but no team should let one man drop 81 points on their hides. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amare32 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Was Kobe being guarded by Peanut Tillman? Ouch, man. Give the Peanut a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous One Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Toronto didn't play a whole lot of defense. Only Bosh fouled out, and MoPete and Bonner had five hacks. If the Raptor starters had any self respect, they would've all fouled out and all of their reserves would have at least had four fouls. Think about it: Jalen Rose had only three fouls! Mike James had four. They should've both fouled out to at least say they tried. Lakers Dodgers Angels Kings Dolphins Galaxy Liverpool FC UC Santa Barbara USC Trojans UNLV Rebels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingssss Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Next time I use the toilet, I'm gonna say I'm "dropping 81 on the Raptors".--Roger "Time?" Clemente. Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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