Big Ben was in!

[Cujo]

VINNY WAS IN !!!

His wrist crossed the plain, not the ball ... but who am I to complain?

[Mac the Knife]

Big red circle = ball.

[Cujo]

Big red circle = ball.

One week later and we're still talking about this. Okay, for the final time, it was a 3rd down and even if they came up an inch short they'd most likely punch it in on 4th or even get 3 with a field goal. Even if it's not a score and Seattle holds on 4th down, the Steelers still win by 4. GET OVER IT!

[CC97]

Big red circle = ball.

I believe that is the Seahawks players' arm, NFL footballs don't have white stripes on them... bucfan's circle of the ball looked more accurate.

[paynomind]

Super Bowl's over. We can argue this point one way or another and it's not gonna make a difference. Drop the damn debate, please.

One week later and we're still talking about this. Okay, for the final time, it was a 3rd down and even if they came up an inch short they'd most likely punch it in on 4th or even get 3 with a field goal. Even if it's not a score and Seattle holds on 4th down, the Steelers still win by 4. GET OVER IT!

Dirty - Uhm, how about NO, jerk-off. This is a SPORTS board, and we are talking about SPORTS. If you are tired of this discussion, dont click on threads with the subject that alludes to the super bowl. YOU are the one who needs to shut the eff up. You replied to this thread twice, and you admitted you dont care about this topic anymore. And you wonder why people call you a post-whore. You are.

Unwind - This is a SPORTS board, and we are talking about SPORTS. If you are tired of this discussion, dont click on threads with the subject that alludes to the super bowl.

I'm going to bring up the subject every week untill the next super bowl if people keep whining about having to read the threads.

Back on topic, the image posted looks like the brown circle is the seahawk's arm. Compare the color to the other arm in the foreground - exact same color. I think this image shows the ball DIDN'T cross the line.

The idea that they'd have scored on the next play anyway is absurd. It was still early in the game, so going for it on 4th down isn't always what as coach will do. Bettis, nor any other RB, wouldn't be assured of scoring on the next play. 4th and inches still means the player has to run a couple yards, just to get back to the line of scrimmage. Save for Parker's long TD run, the Steelers didn't have much success on the ground.

The point is, we dont know what would have happened.

As it is, the replay did NOT show enough evidence either way to overturn a call. If he'd have been marked down at the 1, no way to overturn it. Being called a TD, there was no way to overturn it.

My opinion is, the wrong call was made initially, that lacked irrefutable visual evidence on the replay.

[Cujo]

One week later and we're still talking about this. Okay, for the final time, it was a 3rd down and even if they came up an inch short they'd most likely punch it in on 4th or even get 3 with a field goal. Even if it's not a score and Seattle holds on 4th down, the Steelers still win by 4. GET OVER IT!

Dirty - Uhm, how about NO, jerk-off. This is a SPORTS board, and we are talking about SPORTS. If you are tired of this discussion, dont click on threads with the subject that alludes to the super bowl. YOU are the one who needs to shut the eff up. You replied to this thread twice, and you admitted you dont care about this topic anymore. And you wonder why people call you a post-whore. You are.

Yes, this was a decent subject for a few days following the Super Bowl, but here we are seven days later and the bottom line is that Rothelisburger's TD is inconclusive and doesn't matter in the end result. For people to still be up in arms over the way this call went is straight up ridiculous.

As for the "post whore" comment, after going over many of your posts, I gotta say mine are just as opinionated as yours, hoss. Nice touch with the name calling as well. This coming from a first grader or a thirty year-old? Stellar.

[Roger Clemente]

Well it does not make as much difference as it could have it was 3rd down and the Steelers would have gone for it at the 1 inch line it would be hard to imagine the Bus not getting that inch.

It took them 3 downs to get to the 1 inch line from 1st and goal inside the 5. Nothing is a sure thing, not even the Bus. (What happened to Jerome on his last goalline carry before the Super Bowl?)

According to this, he scored a touchdown.

--Roger "Time?" Clemente.

[Audiodrama]

Dirty - Uhm, how about NO, jerk-off. This is a SPORTS board, and we are talking about SPORTS. If you are tired of this discussion, dont click on threads with the subject that alludes to the super bowl. YOU are the one who needs to shut the eff up. You replied to this thread twice, and you admitted you dont care about this topic anymore. And you wonder why people call you a post-whore. You are.

Unwind - This is a SPORTS board, and we are talking about SPORTS. If you are tired of this discussion, dont click on threads with the subject that alludes to the super bowl.

I'm going to bring up the subject every week untill the next super bowl if people keep whining about having to read the threads.

Back on topic, the image posted looks like the brown circle is the seahawk's arm. Compare the color to the other arm in the foreground - exact same color. I think this image shows the ball DIDN'T cross the line.

The idea that they'd have scored on the next play anyway is absurd. It was still early in the game, so going for it on 4th down isn't always what as coach will do. Bettis, nor any other RB, wouldn't be assured of scoring on the next play. 4th and inches still means the player has to run a couple yards, just to get back to the line of scrimmage. Save for Parker's long TD run, the Steelers didn't have much success on the ground.

The point is, we dont know what would have happened.

As it is, the replay did NOT show enough evidence either way to overturn a call. If he'd have been marked down at the 1, no way to overturn it. Being called a TD, there was no way to overturn it.

My opinion is, the wrong call was made initially, that lacked irrefutable visual evidence on the replay.

Wow, it's that time of the month for somebody.

[paynomind]

Wow, it's that time of the month for somebody.

Yeah, you and DirtyCunty

Its a discussion about a debatable call on a TD. Why bitch and moan that people shouldn't talk about it? Its been 7 days, sure.. but 7 days since the SUPER BOWL. Thats the biggest game of the year. It was a very questionable call in a package of horrible calls for the refs.

It will be discussed. If you dont like it, go elsewhere.

I gotta say mine are just as opinionated as yours

I never said I didn't like your posts because they are opinionated, (not that you have time to read other people's post, as you are too busy posting yourself,) I said I didnt like them because they are worthless.

If you dont care about the super bowl calls, and want people to get over it, the first step is getting over it yourself. Then, try not visiting a thread with that as a topic. And if you can't quite restain yourself, and visit it anyway, maybe try for once NOT replying in a thread. I think you can do it.

Though, you've proven over the past 10 months that through over 4,700 posts of worthlessness, you can't restain yourself. But please try. For the sake of all the rest of us who have decency and place value on intelligent discussion. You are the scourge of this board. Know that.

The point is, if you dont care about a topic, don't reply. Idiot.

[Audiodrama]

Paynomind...dude, you need to chill out. It's a message board. Don't get yourself all twisted up over this. You wanna discuss stuff, fine. But do it in a civilized manner.

[bosox]

Paynomind...dude, you need to chill out. It's a message board. Don't get yourself all twisted up over this. You wanna discuss stuff, fine. But do it in a civilized manner.

To be honest, I don't see what was so uncivilized about what he said. He's proving a point just as you were, the only difference is obviously people want to discuss the Super Bowl outcome still, and if they do, fine.

Anyways, I believe he was either in, or so close that it could not have been overturned. I can't quite tell whether the ball is where The Mad Mac put it or where bucfan put it. The thing is, if it was called that he did not make it in, then we would be having the same arguement anyways. It was a called that will look bad either way, but just looked even worse with how the rest of the game was called.

[Seadragon76]

VINNY WAS IN !!!

You... Did... NOT.... just say that....

You have struck a royal nerve on me, man. You now know how much it hurts me when someone brings up that phantom touchdown by Testaverde.

On the topic at hand, I have made peace with Rothlisburger scoring the TD. Yeah, it's a questionable call, but what can I do? I can't overturn the call myself, so I will just leave it at that.

[Audiodrama]

Edit: Forget it. Not worth my time.

[Cujo]

I gotta say mine are just as opinionated as yours

I never said I didn't like your posts because they are opinionated, (not that you have time to read other people's post, as you are too busy posting yourself,) I said I didnt like them because they are worthless.

If you dont care about the super bowl calls, and want people to get over it, the first step is getting over it yourself. Then, try not visiting a thread with that as a topic. And if you can't quite restain yourself, and visit it anyway, maybe try for once NOT replying in a thread. I think you can do it.

Though, you've proven over the past 10 months that through over 4,700 posts of worthlessness, you can't restain yourself. But please try. For the sake of all the rest of us who have decency and place value on intelligent discussion. You are the scourge of this board. Know that.

The point is, if you dont care about a topic, don't reply. Idiot.

4,700+ posts?... Honestly, who cares?! Well obviously you do or you wouldn't be pitching a huge ass fit over it. I've said it before and I'll say it again... It's just a number. It doesn't make anyone better than anyone else. You all can put me at zero and I honestly won't care. I'll still continue spend time on the boards and give my take on sports or any other topic I take interest in. I'm also pretty sure that if I were the huge post whore that you accuse of being, one of the mods would have called me out on it by now. So if you'd like to continue this conversation, feel free to PM me. I don't feel this is the place to hash out hard feelings over post counts or what's appropriate to post in a Super Bowl thread. Thank you.

[See Red]

Gotta agree with Payno, here.

If you're sick of a particular topic, don't click on the link to the thread that's discussing it. You guys are the ones being the asses by telling everybody else to 'drop the damn debate.'

[FiddySicks]

Would you all just shut the hell up? For christ's fu*king sake you guys are like a bunch of 4th grade girls.

Anyway, i dont think it matters, it was a TD, its not gonna change now, yeah the refs suck, but what can ya do but move on?

[leopard88]

Okay, for the final time, it was a 3rd down and even if they came up an inch short they'd most likely punch it in on 4th or even get 3 with a field goal.  Even if it's not a score and Seattle holds on 4th down, the Steelers still win by 4.  GET OVER IT!

I don't have a dog in this fight, so I'm not here to argue whether he was in or out (though I don't think he got in). I am posting because this line of reasoning always bothers me, as it assumes falsely that the outcome of this play would have no impact on the way the game was played afterward.

Your point is that the Steelers would most likely have scored a touchdown or at least a field goal, but that even if they did not score at all, they would win by four. That conclusion incorrectly assumes that the rest of the game would have played out in exactly the same manner even if the Steelers failed to score at that point. That conclusion is insupportable.

Even just jumping ahead to the last 3-4 minutes of the game (on the assumption everything else stays the same, though I am positive that would not have been the case), the Seahawks would likely have played things much differently if they were down by 4 (or even 7) rather than 11. Granted their clock management left a lot to be desired, but they would not have been rushing quite so much if they only needed one score instead of two, which may well have led to a different result on the final drive.

I should also point out that the Steelers may have played the second half differently if they did not score on that drive. Instead of going in to halftime with a lead, they would have gone in down 3-0, with practically no offense to speak of in the first half. That may have changed their strategy for the second half, since they would not have retaken the field trying to protect a lead. In addition, using your logic of just taking seven points off of their score, they would have been behind again after the Seahawks scored their touchdown.

The carryover effect of any play is diminished the later it occurs in a game. However, this play took place before halftime, meaning there was plenty of time for the residual effect to take hold. Therefore, I don't think anyone can safely assume that the Steelers would still win by four if they did not score on that drive.

[Gothamite]

Agreed - I don't think we can assume that the Steelers would still have scored, had that one been brought back.

But all the whinging about the officials misses the real problem, I think. The Seahawks have only one place to put blame - squarely on the coach. Have you ever seen such haphazard clock management in the closing minutes of both halves? Anybody that pisses that much time away has a lotta nerve blaming the zebras for anything, Mike....

The only thing worse than the officiating was the coaching from the Seattle sideline. They deserved to lose.

[paynomind]

The only thing worse than the officiating was the coaching from the Seattle sideline.

Agreed. I've seen better two-minute drills from high school teams.

[HatCityEnforcer]

Have you ever seen such haphazard clock management in the closing minutes of both halves?

Yup...

Herman Edwards raised it to an art form with the Jets.

Have fun watching the Chiefs screw up in the late minutes with this guy running the show, KC