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[Squeaks4]

A 1-loss USC (conference winner) or a 1-loss Florida or Arkansas (either will be the conference winner) deserves the opportunity to play for the National Championship ahead of Michigan.

Why though? You didn't really make any points what-so-ever. You simply said they shouldn't have a rematch but didn't back it up with anything.

Michigan should have a rematch without a doubt. They lost a very close game to the #1 team on the road. Usc lost to an unranked team and has had about 5 games go into the last minutes. Florida lost to an Auburn team who lost to both Georgia and Arkansas. And Notre Dame got rolled over by Michigan.

I completely understand a rematch not being the best case scenario for sports fans as a whole, but I don't see how you can justify any team being ahead of Michigan simply because Michigan "had their chance". And since you all seem to be on a "using that logic" kick, using yours there is no need for multiple games in playoffs and finals. I mean the Dallas Mavericks should of been the 2006 NBA champions because they won the first game right. Miami "had their chance."

To be completely Frank it seems the Ohio fans are a little weary to have a rematch. They are smart enough to realize how close that game was considering it was at home. I am not saying they are "scared" by any stretch, but it honestly seems like they simply don't want to play Michigan at a neutral site. Honestly Ohio fans if Michigan lost and doesn't "deserve" to be in the game because you already beat them, why not just do it again and come away with some hardware?

[jkrdevil]

I never thought I would have to say this......

Thank You, Miami!!!!

Miami- 17

BC-14

Wake Forest Vs. Maryland Saturday night in College Park for the right to play in the ACC Championship Game.

[NJTank]

If you would have predicted that ACC final in August people would have thought you were crazy.

[BaltimoreFan]

Wake Forest Vs. Maryland Saturday night in College Park for the right to play in the ACC Championship Game.

YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

going to the game, never thought Maryland would be fighting for a right to go to the ACC Championship this early. I thought Wake Forest would be waiting a long time. Crazy season.

Also I was thinking, this year would be great if there was a playoff system (I know beating a dead horse). But there are so many team that could be ranked #2. It would be alot of fun watching them battle it out. Hopefully things will be real close at the end of the season, leading to change.

[HedleyLamarr]

A 1-loss USC (conference winner) or a 1-loss Florida or Arkansas (either will be the conference winner) deserves the opportunity to play for the National Championship ahead of Michigan.

Why though? You didn't really make any points what-so-ever. You simply said they shouldn't have a rematch but didn't back it up with anything.

Michigan should have a rematch without a doubt. They lost a very close game to the #1 team on the road. Usc lost to an unranked team and has had about 5 games go into the last minutes. Florida lost to an Auburn team who lost to both Georgia and Arkansas. And Notre Dame got rolled over by Michigan.

I completely understand a rematch not being the best case scenario for sports fans as a whole, but I don't see how you can justify any team being ahead of Michigan simply because Michigan "had their chance". And since you all seem to be on a "using that logic" kick, using yours there is no need for multiple games in playoffs and finals. I mean the Dallas Mavericks should of been the 2006 NBA champions because they won the first game right. Miami "had their chance."

To be completely Frank it seems the Ohio fans are a little weary to have a rematch. They are smart enough to realize how close that game was considering it was at home. I am not saying they are "scared" by any stretch, but it honestly seems like they simply don't want to play Michigan at a neutral site. Honestly Ohio fans if Michigan lost and doesn't "deserve" to be in the game because you already beat them, why not just do it again and come away with some hardware?

This explained my reasoning, as well as the bolded words above:

If Michigan and Notre Dame are the lone significant 1-loss teams left, then Michigan should play Ohio State again. The only way I could support a non-conference winning (excluding independents, of course) team in the BCS National Championship game is if their conference winner is in the game as well, AND all the other BCS conference winners have more losses than the at-large team.

If USC wins out, they will have beaten 3 non-conference ranked teams (their entire non-conference schedule, I might add) and won their conference. They won at current top-5 Arkansas by 36 points, home to ranked Nebraska by 18 points, and would have beaten #6 Notre Dame. How can you tell a 1-loss, conference-winning USC team that they aren't worthy of playing Ohio State?

If Arkansas wins out and USC loses to Notre Dame or UCLA, they will have gone through the SEC undefeated, and also won their conference. If Arkansas and Michigan both have 1 loss, how do you tell the champ of the toughest (by-far) conference that they don't deserve to play Ohio State after they went through league play undefeated?

Michigan had their opportunity to win the unofficial Big Eleven Championship Game, and they let OSU roll up half a thousand yards in total offense on them. And when it comes down to it, everyone's freshest memory of Michigan is them losing. Great game. A rematch likely won't be as great (see Florida-FSU 1996). They get a nice trip to Pasadena instead. Get over it.

[NJTank]

Heres how I fee; Notre Dame cant go to the BCS Game they lost to Michigan.

However, if Florida, USC or Arkansas have just 1 loss they should go ahead of Michigan.

If all three lose to who it don't matter then I Have no problem with a rematch game.

[Squeaks4]

A 1-loss USC (conference winner) or a 1-loss Florida or Arkansas (either will be the conference winner) deserves the opportunity to play for the National Championship ahead of Michigan.

Why though? You didn't really make any points what-so-ever. You simply said they shouldn't have a rematch but didn't back it up with anything.

Michigan should have a rematch without a doubt. They lost a very close game to the #1 team on the road. Usc lost to an unranked team and has had about 5 games go into the last minutes. Florida lost to an Auburn team who lost to both Georgia and Arkansas. And Notre Dame got rolled over by Michigan.

I completely understand a rematch not being the best case scenario for sports fans as a whole, but I don't see how you can justify any team being ahead of Michigan simply because Michigan "had their chance". And since you all seem to be on a "using that logic" kick, using yours there is no need for multiple games in playoffs and finals. I mean the Dallas Mavericks should of been the 2006 NBA champions because they won the first game right. Miami "had their chance."

To be completely Frank it seems the Ohio fans are a little weary to have a rematch. They are smart enough to realize how close that game was considering it was at home. I am not saying they are "scared" by any stretch, but it honestly seems like they simply don't want to play Michigan at a neutral site. Honestly Ohio fans if Michigan lost and doesn't "deserve" to be in the game because you already beat them, why not just do it again and come away with some hardware?

This explained my reasoning, as well as the bolded words above:

If Michigan and Notre Dame are the lone significant 1-loss teams left, then Michigan should play Ohio State again. The only way I could support a non-conference winning (excluding independents, of course) team in the BCS National Championship game is if their conference winner is in the game as well, AND all the other BCS conference winners have more losses than the at-large team.

If USC wins out, they will have beaten 3 non-conference ranked teams (their entire non-conference schedule, I might add) and won their conference. They won at current top-5 Arkansas by 36 points, home to ranked Nebraska by 18 points, and would have beaten #6 Notre Dame. How can you tell a 1-loss, conference-winning USC team that they aren't worthy of playing Ohio State?

If Arkansas wins out and USC loses to Notre Dame or UCLA, they will have gone through the SEC undefeated, and also won their conference. If Arkansas and Michigan both have 1 loss, how do you tell the champ of the toughest (by-far) conference that they don't deserve to play Ohio State after they went through league play undefeated?

Michigan had their opportunity to win the unofficial Big Eleven Championship Game, and they let OSU roll up half a thousand yards in total offense on them. And when it comes down to it, everyone's freshest memory of Michigan is them losing. Great game. A rematch likely won't be as great (see Florida-FSU 1996). They get a nice trip to Pasadena instead. Get over it.

The division titles don't mean as much as you wish they did. I am too tired to go over my whole post again (because you didn't touch any of my points just told me about conference titles) I will just say this, USC lost to an unranked team and has had many close games, Arkansas got KILLED by USC, and yet, Michigan lost to the team that has been ranked #1 all season by 3 points on the road. Forgetting about the titles and looking at that sentence right there, how can you say anyone else deserves to go?

Using your logic I guess we have to throw in Boise State in the mix because they are UNDEFEATED in their conference too.

Also, just because you think the SEC is the best conference "by far" doesn't mean thats fact. Must just be a coincidence that your team is in that conference huh?

I do really wish sports worked like that though. My Suns would of won the Western Finals last year...I mean the Mavs had their chance to beat them the first game and they didn't.

*Edit* Let me just clarify that I am in no way a Michigan fan. In fact, I can't stand them (or Ohio St.). I am a ASU fan to the bone and an overall huge Pac-10 fan (minus UofA). I also really like Notre Dame. I honestly wish USC or Notre Dame would go to the game instead of Michigan. However, they both do not deserve it at all.

[HedleyLamarr]

The division titles don't mean as much as you wish they did. I am too tired to go over my whole post again (because you didn't touch any of my points just told me about conference titles) I will just say this, USC lost to an unranked team and has had many close games, Arkansas got KILLED by USC, and yet, Michigan lost to the team that has been ranked #1 all season by 3 points on the road. Forgetting about the titles and looking at that sentence right there, how can you say anyone else deserves to go?

Using your logic I guess we have to throw in Boise State in the mix because they are UNDEFEATED in their conference too.

Also, just because you think the SEC is the best conference "by far" doesn't mean thats fact. Must just be a coincidence that your team is in that conference huh?

I do really wish sports worked like that though. My Suns would of won the Western Finals last year...I mean the Mavs had their chance to beat them the first game and they didn't.

*Edit* Let me just clarify that I am in no way a Michigan fan. In fact, I can't stand them (or Ohio St.). I am a ASU fan to the bone and an overall huge Pac-10 fan (minus UofA). I also really like Notre Dame. I honestly wish USC or Notre Dame would go to the game instead of Michigan. However, they both do not deserve it at all.

Big deal, Michigan lost to Ohio State by 3. Illinois lost to Ohio State by 7. Does this mean Illinois is #3.33 in the nation? Michigan beat Ball State by 9. Does this mean that Ball State would be #5 in the nation?

Mississippi State beat Alabama, which beat Mississippi and Vanderbilt, the latter which beat Georgia, which beat Auburn, which beat Florida, which beat LSU, Tennessee, South Carolina, and Kentucky. Using your logic, Mississippi State is better than Florida and the #2 team in the SEC behind Arkansas, right?

If every other team of significance has two losses, then Michigan is deserving of getting a rematch. If Notre Dame is the only other 1-loss team, Michigan deserves a rematch. If USC or Florida or Arkansas finish with 1-loss, their overall schedule strength outweighs the result of one single game. The BCS Championship Game should pit the top two teams that accomplished the most throughout the course of a season, not which team played the #1 team the closest in one game. Rankings should be based on the results and schedule strength, not margain of victory. Yeah, USC played a lot of close games, but aside from one, they won the close games. A 70-0 victory counts just as much in the win column as a 3-0 win.

And I wish you'd cease with the comparison to the NBA. Comparing these two is, bluntly stated, stupid.

[Squeaks4]

USC lost to an unranked team.

Arkansas got killed by USC.

Florida lost to #11 Auburn.

Notre Dame got worked by Michigan.

Michigan lost to #1 Ohio by 3 on the road.

Those are the facts and you can believe whatever you want, but to be bluntly honest your are freaking out of your mind to rationalize anyone but Michigan going. Its late and to be honest there is nothing else for me to say. I honestly must me a complete idiot and am just not getting it because saying no to Michigan is seriously boggling my mind and actually really frustrating me. I honestly don't give a crap about Michigan, Arkansas, Florida ect. I just don't see how anyone can honestly think Michigan shouldn't go and its so ludicrous to me that I wanted to argue it. But, I am done with the discussion. You can believe what you want to, I can believe what I want to. Just gotta see how it pans out I guess. Either way, here is to a good bowl season.

(I was using the NBA analysis because you seem to be the one with the "you got your chance, move on" kick. You seem to be in the mind set that re-matches just don't and shouldn't happen, and I couldn't disagree more.)

[FiddySicks]

does anyone else see this year turning up just as mixed up, confusing, and disasterous as the 2003/04 season?

[OB33]

I completely understand a rematch not being the best case scenario for sports fans as a whole, but I don't see how you can justify any team being ahead of Michigan simply because Michigan "had their chance". And since you all seem to be on a "using that logic" kick, using yours there is no need for multiple games in playoffs and finals. I mean the Dallas Mavericks should of been the 2006 NBA champions because they won the first game right. Miami "had their chance."

If the BCS was setup as a "best of" series like the NBA, MLB, or NHL that would be one thing. For instance, if December 3rd the BCS committee comes out and says that Michigan is number two and then said that next week Ohio State and Michigan would play at Ann Arbor. If Michigan wins, than the National Championship would be in effect the final game in a best of 3 series but if Ohio State wins than the number 3 team goes to Glendale. That I would have no problem with. What I have problem with is how if Ohio State beats Michigan twice they're the National Champ but if Michigan splits the two game series they're the National Champ? If this is what the BCS is set up for, let's just go back to the AP and the UPI polls.

And just to clear up other points that I didn't feel like quoting:

-Wisconsin can't play in a BCS Bowl because no conference is allowed to have 3 teams in the BCS bowls and since Ohio State and Michigan have already more or less sealed their spots, Wisconsin is headed to the Capital One Bowl.

-Who has Boise State played this year? Oregon State. Final Score 42-14. But I open a whole other can of worms arguing that one.

[TFoA]

This is just me sayin, but methinks that the Buckeye fans are getting scared of the rematch. I mean, they won by 3 points. That's their closest margin of victory all season. And Michigan definitely has a valid claim, because they lost to the Buckeyes by 3 in Columbus. All I'm saying is this: Michigan, IMO, deserves a rematch on a neutral field, and if it has to happen in the Nat'l Championship, then so be it. I just don't wanna hear all this nonsense from Buckeye fans claiming that it was a "bl0wowt" and "we pWnded them n00bs from teh skool up Northlolz." You won by 3 points. The day a 3 point win is a blowout is the day that Temple returns to relevancy in College Football.

So yeah, Michigan v Ohio State for all the marbles in the Fiesta Bowl. Everyone else have fun making that $ in the BCS, especially Boise St.

[Epiphanic]

All the teams of "significance" have a legitimate argument for facing Ohio State in the Championship game. And I think you can make a reasoned argument for Boise St. However, the BCS is a broken system. The mere fact that we are arguing about "who's #2?" shows that it is. Honestly, how many years can we expect that there will be a clear #1 v. #2 matchup for the championship game? Aside from that the BCS has failed to solve the problem of why it was conceived in the first place. A split championship. We've had one and come pretty close on a couple other occasions. It's tournament time!

[infrared41]

This is just me sayin, but me thinks that the Buckeye fans are getting scared of the rematch.

HA. That's funny. As an Ohio State alum my thoughts are simple. Michigan. I hope we do play them again just to drive home the point that seems to be eluding Michigan fans. We have beaten them 5 out of the last 6 including three in a row. Now they want to give Jim Tressel five weeks to prepare for a Lloyd Carr gameplan? Careful what you wish for Michigan fans.

In the interest of time I won't go into detail here on my reasons for not wanting to see a rematch. My reasoning is well documented in the "Official Ohio State Michigan Thread" elsewhere on the board if anyone is interested. Suffice it to say that "being scared" of the rematch is nowhere on my list of reasons. I would welcome a rematch because I figure it's our easiest game of all the possible matchups. If I am "scared" of anyone it's USC not Michigan.

[ninersdd]

This is just me sayin, but me thinks that the Buckeye fans are getting scared of the rematch.

HA. That's funny. As an Ohio State alum my thoughts are simple. Michigan. I hope we do play them again just to drive home the point that seems to be eluding Michigan fans. We have beaten them 5 out of the last 6 including three in a row. Now they want to give Jim Tressel five weeks to prepare for a Lloyd Carr gameplan? Careful what you wish for Michigan fans.

In the interest of time I won't go into detail here on my reasons for not wanting to see a rematch. My reasoning is well documented in the "Official Ohio State Michigan Thread" elsewhere on the board if anyone is interested. Suffice it to say that "being scared" of the rematch is nowhere on my list of reasons. I would welcome a rematch because I figure it's our easiest game of all the possible matchups. If I am "scared" of anyone it's USC not Michigan.

No you guys would destroy USC

[Squeaks4]

Arkansas loses. They should still go ahead of Michigan though

Texas also gets upset at home against Texas A&M

[Epiphanic]

Does the loss knock the Razorbacks out of the SEC title game? If they can't win their conference then they shouldn't play for a national title. That's a mistake that the BCS made about 3 years ago (see Oklahoma). That lesson alone should be enough to keep Michigan out. Perhaps, Rutgers could be the most deserving out of the conference winners if they beat West Virginia. Of course there is the Boise St. option.

[Seadragon76]

Arkansas already won the West Division of the SEC, so they were already going to Atlanta for face the Gators, this loss today destroyed any title hopes that they had.

As for the National Title picture...

It's now a four horse race for that shot against Ohio State in Glendale on the 8th.

USC and Notre Dame faces off this week and what is basically an elimination game with the winner getting what may be the clearest road to Glendale while the loser can kiss their hopes good bye.

If Notre Dame wins, they can rest for the bowl game. Things could go bad if the BCS feels that the Michigan loss would be a big enough loss as to eliminate the Irish the National Championsip contention.

If USC wins, then the Trojans still have to survive the dreaded crosstown rivalry game with UCLA the following week in order to get a possible shot.

Florida might have the easiest road with a weak Florida State team this week and Arkansas, who are now beatable, next week in Atlanta.

Of coure, there is the wild card: Michigan. The Wolverines are just hoping for all sorts of chaos to erupt over the next two weeks.

[HedleyLamarr]

Arkansas already won the West Division of the SEC, so they were already going to Atlanta for face the Gators, this loss today destroyed any title hopes that they had.

As for the National Title picture...

It's now a four horse race for that shot against Ohio State in Glendale on the 8th.

USC and Notre Dame faces off this week and what is basically an elimination game with the winner getting what may be the clearest road to Glendale while the loser can kiss their hopes good bye.

If Notre Dame wins, they can rest for the bowl game. Things could go bad if the BCS feels that the Michigan loss would be a big enough loss as to eliminate the Irish the National Championsip contention.

If USC wins, then the Trojans still have to survive the dreaded crosstown rivalry game with UCLA the following week in order to get a possible shot.

Florida might have the easiest road with a weak Florida State team this week and Arkansas, who are now beatable, next week in Atlanta.

Of coure, there is the wild card: Michigan. The Wolverines are just hoping for all sorts of chaos to erupt over the next two weeks.

But Florida needed an Arkansas win to improve their SOS. Florida needs some help in the computer polls.

[Epiphanic]

Say Arkansas wins the SEC then the SEC champion will have 2 losses. The prevailing feeling is that the Irish aren't worthy by way of the loss to Michigan. If USC loses one of the next two games, all of the BCS conference champions will have 2 losses or more if I'm not mistaken. If people aren't willing to give Boise St. a chance (they are undefeated), then why not Rutgers? Assuming they be West Virginia Saturday, they could be the only BCS conference champion with one loss. Makes sense to me.