infrared41 Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Completely disagree with your argument. To hit 600 home runs in a career, you have to be at the very least, consistent. Thome was consistent, and to me, consistency can't out of nowhere, all of a sudden mean nothing. Consistency is used as a barometer for a lot of HOFers and I think that it is disingenuous to not use that barometer for Thome. I don't know if you use consistency as an argument or how much emphasis you put on it, infrared, but I think that because the consistency factor is used on other HOFers, Thome has to be in.- 16 seasons of 20+ HRs- 12 seasons of 30+ HRs- 6 seasons of 40+ HRs with a career high of 52- 2,287 hits- 1,674 RBIA lot of strikeouts at 2,487 and not the greatest batting average at .277, but I think he's in.Fake edit: Slight thread jack, I guess.Fair enough. I'll give you all of you guys credit, you've persuaded me to reassess Jim Thome. Every once in a great while, the debates here actually lead to something productive. It's rare, but it does happen. Well argued gentlemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayJaxon Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Seeing the numbers like that kind of make me appreciate Thome a little more. I have thought he was a HOF caliber player for a while, but now I'm positive he gets in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Re: Madsen - they had little choice. They didn't have a closer inside the organization, and they'd end up overpaying for a vet that nobody else wanted. Might as well pay a little more and go with someone you know can pitch in Philadelphia and who is still young enough to be effective. Of course it's probably too much money, but Madsen would've gotten that much of not even more elsewhere. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Re: Madsen - they had little choice. They didn't have a closer inside the organization, and they'd end up overpaying for a vet that nobody else wanted. Might as well pay a little more and go with someone you know can pitch in Philadelphia and who is still young enough to be effective. Of course it's probably too much money, but Madsen would've gotten that much of not even more elsewhere.Apparently the Madsen deal is off for now. Not sure why, but one story is that ownership refused to sign off on it due to payroll constraints, so they are now targeting Jonathan Papelbom. Things could always change and I guess they could go back to Madsen, but I guess they feel Papelbom is a cheaper alternative that would help them afford other players. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEW.ERA Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Israel trying to get in on the World Baseball Classic party, with help of former MLBers.Link. JETS|PACK|JAYS|NUFC|BAMA|BOMBERS|RAPS|ORANJE| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshawaggie Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 I'm thinking Michael Cuddyer is going to be a Phillie. I guess he just toured the ballpark, and them having signed Thome helps, as they are great friends. @josh_j12 CFA- Fargo Bobcats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Israel trying to get in on the World Baseball Classic party, with help of former MLBers.Link.Shalom, I would like to see this. www.sportsecyclopedia.com For the best in sports history go to the Sports E-Cyclopedia at http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrittenhouse84 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 SBerthiaumeESPN Steve Berthiaume CSNPhilly.com reporting, #Phillies have reached agreement with #RedSox free agent closer Jonathan Papelbon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 SBerthiaumeESPN Steve Berthiaume CSNPhilly.com reporting, #Phillies have reached agreement with #RedSox free agent closer Jonathan Papelbon.Good riddance. Guy was a showboater and all talk. Problem is now the Sox need a new closer. Daniel Bard isn't even ready to be a set-up man, never mind a closer. On 4/10/2017 at 3:05 PM, Rollins Man said: what the hell is ccslc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter Morgan Posted November 11, 2011 Author Share Posted November 11, 2011 Jim SalisburySources say Papelbon deal is four years and approaches $50 million, pending physical Dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter Morgan Posted November 11, 2011 Author Share Posted November 11, 2011 SBerthiaumeESPN Steve Berthiaume CSNPhilly.com reporting, #Phillies have reached agreement with #RedSox free agent closer Jonathan Papelbon.Good riddance. Guy was a showboater and all talk. Problem is now the Sox need a new closer. Daniel Bard isn't even ready to be a set-up man, never mind a closer.Plenty of closers on the market.Heath Bell (34) - Type AJonathan Broxton (28)Matt Capps (28) - Type AFrancisco Cordero (37) - Type AFrank Francisco (32) - Type BRyan Madson (31) - Type AJoe Nathan (37)Jon Rauch (33) - Type BFrancisco Rodriguez (30) But jeez... Papelbon and the Phils just set the market at a steep price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigga Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Jim SalisburySources say Papelbon deal is four years and approaches $50 million, pending physical Dumb.So dumb. Really dumb. Fo' real. On January 16, 2013 at 3:49 PM, NJTank said: Btw this is old hat for Notre Dame. Knits Rockne made up George Tip's death bed speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEd76 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 This guy is such a d**khead....but he's better than every pitcher on that list a few posts up. Conflicted here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Those numbers can't be true. What the hell was Madsen asking for that made them do this? Unbelievable. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEd76 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Bora$ probably pushed for 5/$55M and Rube said GTFO and went for the better pitcher. Supposedly he apologized to Ryan for the misunderstanding about the verbal agreement (if there really was one).Stark is now saying there's a 5th-yr vesting option that could make the deal $60M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Enjoy him Philly. I've never jumped on the Papelbon bandwagon, always found him to be a bit too over-confident and just a total . Sure he's a serviceable pitcher, but he relies way too heavily on his fastball - which isn't fast enough to feature it exclusively. Hitters know it's coming, the crowd knows it's coming, but he throws it anyway.. always. Maybe having a new battery mate and different coaching will change his approach on the mound. He was great when he mixed in his other pitches and kept hitters off balance. Oh, and good riddance to that stupid face he makes while looking for the sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCDuck Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 And thus the Phils overpaid for a closer who wasn't really all that much better than anyone else out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Oh, and good riddance to that stupid face he makes while looking for the sign.And his absolutely horrendous Dunkin' Donuts commercials on NESN. On 4/10/2017 at 3:05 PM, Rollins Man said: what the hell is ccslc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Oh, and good riddance to that stupid face he makes while looking for the sign.And his absolutely horrendous Dunkin' Donuts commercials on NESN.In all fairness to Paps (can't believe I just said that), they're all awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFoA Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 And I thought that the proposed Madson deal was bad...yeesh. But once again, it's their Monopoly moneybags cash, they can do what they want with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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