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3 minutes ago, DG_Now said:

He's been suspended? That's a little lame. The guy is wrong and dumb, but he's also the only one offering a differing view.

He was suspended for his "you're wrong therefore you have inner demons"/"you're wrong therefore you're a SJW sheeple"/"I support Joe Paterno and anyone who doesn't is a liberal who wants to repeal the 1st and 2nd Amendments" stance. 

 

That's just trolling. 

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Just now, CS85 said:

 

He was trolling.  It's a weird thing ignorant conservatives do when they feel morally obligated to stir the hornet's nest and be as mule-headed as possible just to get a laugh.  It's not even something that can be debated, really.  Raping children is bad.  Enabling child rape is bad.  What's to argue?  He was just gonna go and go and go.

 

Yeah, obviously. And trolling isn't limited to ignorant conservatives. It is part of being on the (terribly) wrong side of an argument. But he wasn't just gonna go and go and go unless several others on here kept him going. 

 

I don't think there's some grand liberal plot on this website. But I do see how people can feel that way if the only voices representing the opposite side of the argument get suspended for expressing that wrong opinion. And while I know it's not the opinion itself but HOW that opinion gets shared that leads to the suspension, I do think there's a fair amoungof poking the bear to get that reaction. 

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He went off on five straight posts that basically amounted to "you're all SJW libtards who hate Paterno, America, and yourselves."

No one poked him. He'd already jumped off the ledge by the time the first person responded.

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Man, I wish y'all could've waited to see if Viola responded to my comment so I could dunk on him, that would've been the perfect time to suspend him.

 

Oh well, I'm not gonna let this sweet gif go to waste:post-18676-Shaq-Disrespectful-Dunk-gif-n

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6 minutes ago, DG_Now said:

 

Yeah, obviously. And trolling isn't limited to ignorant conservatives. It is part of being on the (terribly) wrong side of an argument. But he wasn't just gonna go and go and go unless several others on here kept him going. 

 

I don't think there's some grand liberal plot on this website. But I do see how people can feel that way if the only voices representing the opposite side of the argument get suspended for expressing that wrong opinion. And while I know it's not the opinion itself but HOW that opinion gets shared that leads to the suspension, I do think there's a fair amoungof poking the bear to get that reaction. 

Viola73 came in here on his own accord, posted his thoughts, and people responded to them. That he doesn’t respond well to that isn’t really my problem to deal with. If you want to look at that as “poking the bear,” that’s fine, but I respectfully disagree.

 

I’m not going to ask the rest of the community to stop responding to someone because they’re an unstable poster. If you can’t deal with other viewpoints like an adult, I’m not going to sit here and protect you by telling everyone else to leave you alone.

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7 minutes ago, DG_Now said:

 

Yeah, obviously. And trolling isn't limited to ignorant conservatives. It is part of being on the (terribly) wrong side of an argument. But he wasn't just gonna go and go and go unless several others on here kept him going. 

 

I don't think there's some grand liberal plot on this website. But I do see how people can feel that way if the only voices representing the opposite side of the argument get suspended for expressing that wrong opinion. And while I know it's not the opinion itself but HOW that opinion gets shared that leads to the suspension, I do think there's a fair amoungof poking the bear to get that reaction. 

 

It's always the same, though.  A lot of the conservatives that are intelligent realize that this may not be the place for them to vocalize loudly and drastically, and the few times they choose to speak up it's better to argue with references, statistics, and bearing an open mind.  Agreeing to disagree is totally viable and encouraged, but when the subject matter isn't flexible (say for instance football legacy > respecting the horrors done to child rape victims of which the university and Paterno enabled), you shouldn't be so insistent on banging the table.

 

It got to the point where he felt cornered, rightfully so, and he did what stupid people usually do, tearing down those debating against him.  He deserved what he got, and hopefully he enjoys the next few weeks of reveling in facebook comments that he proudly stirred up some idiot liberals, doing God's work, and RIP JoePa, etc.

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2 minutes ago, Ice_Cap said:

He went off on five straight posts that basically amounted to "you're all SJW libtards who hate Paterno, America, and yourselves."

No one poked him. He'd already jumped off the ledge by the time the first person responded.

 

Fair enough. 

 

Viola73 is a buffoon (and I've always wondered if his screen name was an homage to Frank Viola?), but he's one of the lone, out conservative voices on these boards. Those voices tend not to last very long. Part of it is because so many of them act like damn fools. But I do wonder if there's a chilling effect among the more temperate of those voices. 

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Just now, DG_Now said:

 

Fair enough. 

 

Viola73 is a buffoon (and I've always wondered if his screen name was an homage to Frank Viola?), but he's one of the lone, out conservative voices on these boards. Those voices tend not to last very long. Part of it is because so many of them act like damn fools. But I do wonder if there's a chilling effect among the more temperate of those voices. 

 

Perhaps.  I'm not terribly proud of overreacting to Viola being a clown, but I couldn't help myself.  I don't think these issues really leak elsewhere around the board, however.  The politics thread seems pretty spirited and tempered compared to the old days when Tank would have uncontrollable diarrhea anytime a conservative notion was shot down.  The police thread also feels like it's not overcooked.  We're doing alright, but I'd say if anything there's no active witch hunt for conservatives.  This community just doesn't tolerate idiots very well.

 

Viola and Frank are both cut from the same cloth of rube that should limit their powerfully skewed, ugly viewpoints to facebook and the comments sections of other websites.  

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9 minutes ago, DG_Now said:

 

Fair enough. 

 

Viola73 is a buffoon (and I've always wondered if his screen name was an homage to Frank Viola?), but he's one of the lone, out conservative voices on these boards. Those voices tend not to last very long. Part of it is because so many of them act like damn fools. But I do wonder if there's a chilling effect among the more temperate of those voices. 

I agree. It is unfortunate. We do have intelligent, thoughtful conservative members here. And I would love to see them take a more active role in political discussions. 

It's kind of lose-lose. Let Viola keep insulting everyone and those posters go "Jeeze, I don't agree with liberals on gun control, but this guy is crazy" and they just stay silent. Suspend Viola and they may think "maybe there is a liberal conspiracy afoot."

 

At the end of the day I agree with crash. On a base level Viola earned his suspension for being unable to respond to differing opinions like an adult. 

 

The best I can personally hope for is that if we weed out the nonsense and just wait a while then our more intelligent conservative-leaning members may feel like they can come forth with their viewpoints without feeling like they're going to be lumped in with the perpetrators of said nonsense. 

 

And on top of all of this...this isn't a political issue. All sides can agree that covering up child rape is wrong. 

We can debate what role Joe Paterno played in that cover-up, but I don't see how that's a liberal-conservative divide. 

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47 minutes ago, DG_Now said:

All right. I don't really care. I guess I just generally have more tolerance of off-the-rails nonsense than most. I would probably not be a very good message board moderator. 

Same. I did not see any thing quirk suspension-worthy.   ANY personal attacks were returned in full.  No threats.

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1 hour ago, Viola73 said:

 

No, you are putting the entire blame on this on Paterno, when there is a mountain of facts and evidence that says a great deal of others turned the other way or did nothing.

I think that in a theoretical rational discussion this opens a key point.  Paterno does take a disproportionate amount of blame in the media and these discussions.   It is in part because he is the famous person and attracts more attention than all the others combined.  Also, though, nobody is trying to honor those others.   There is not going to be a Graham Spanier statue any time soon.  

 

So nobody is saying that Joe is worse than McQuery.  But I started this recent discussion with a story about players want the return of Paterno's, not McQuery's, statue.

 

And the fact that so many others turned the other way is 1) freigtening and a negative reflection on the University and 2) not a legitimate excuse for any one of them, including Paterno.

 

Also if someone could let me know what "sjw" means in right wing wackospeak, I would appreciate it.

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I just thought he was legitimately unintelligent, not a troll.  I was actually disappointed to see him suspended (especially multiple weeks with more possibly to come), because I too think that could be viewed as a censorship of opposing view (unless there was some threats or legit attacks that I missed, and I'll admit I didn't read all of his nonsensical posts.)  I'd hate for the next Viola to start citing the suspensions of Tank, Viola, Buster, and others when they start claiming that this is a liberal site (though I totally support most of those suspensions / bans.)

 

At the end of the day I think the community is better without people that can't discuss things on a mature / adult level (ironic coming from me, I know), but that action seemed a little hasty to this poster.  Again, I acknowledge I may not have read everything, and I don't feel strongly enough to go back and do so.  

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To be honest, I don't see the problem with "censoring" stuff like, "child rape is cool if you win football games".  There are limits to the level with which oppositional comments forment healthy discussions.

 

This is a private message board, not the government.  It's perfectly acceptable and legal to not issue (or immediately revoke) dinner invitations to boors who utter such views, and any punishment issued by the moderation team is akin to that rather than being tossed in jail.

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I skimmed some of the thread to see whether there was a left/right split.  Turns out that Tank and some of our reasonable righties seemed to get it.  Some people just like to blame libtard conspiracies for everything.

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2 hours ago, CS85 said:

 

Perhaps.  I'm not terribly proud of overreacting to Viola being a clown, but I couldn't help myself.  I don't think these issues really leak elsewhere around the board, however.  The politics thread seems pretty spirited and tempered compared to the old days when Tank would have uncontrollable diarrhea anytime a conservative notion was shot down.  The police thread also feels like it's not overcooked.  We're doing alright, but I'd say if anything there's no active witch hunt for conservatives.  This community just doesn't tolerate idiots very well.

 

Viola and Frank are both cut from the same cloth of rube that should limit their powerfully skewed, ugly viewpoints to facebook and the comments sections of other websites.  

Sure you could.  Much as you say you can't control what you post during the NHL playoffs....turns out, you can.

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2 hours ago, CS85 said:

 

Perhaps.  I'm not terribly proud of overreacting to Viola being a clown, but I couldn't help myself.  I don't think these issues really leak elsewhere around the board, however.  The politics thread seems pretty spirited and tempered compared to the old days when Tank would have uncontrollable diarrhea anytime a conservative notion was shot down.  The police thread also feels like it's not overcooked.  We're doing alright, but I'd say if anything there's no active witch hunt for conservatives.  This community just doesn't tolerate idiots very well.

 

Viola and Frank are both cut from the same cloth of rube that should limit their powerfully skewed, ugly viewpoints to facebook and the comments sections of other websites.  

As more of an observer than a participant on the boards lately, but a long time member, I've read this same message of "I'm not terribly proud...couldn't help myself" in regards with how you argue with other members a lot. The issues do leak around in that it's single handedly turned me off from even giving some of your creative endeavors a chance, when normally I'd be up for a listen. Maybe I'm one in the crowd, maybe I'm an island, but it's become noticeable enough to merit mention. 

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This isn't the first thread that Viola has run into the ground with his "LIBTARD" "SJW" (whatever the hell that is) talk that basically demeans anyone who disagrees with him (which, ironically, he bitched about a TON when the same attitude came his way). The dude needed a break for that alone if nothing else. I sure won't miss him. 

 

EDIT: just looked SJW up. Social Justice Warrior. Good lord. Just ban him. 

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4 hours ago, the admiral said:

 

 

This tweet from five years ago turned out to be like the entire internet in 2016.

 

 

I just want it on the record that Viola actually liked a status where I was insulting him and everyone knew I was talking about Viola, except Viola himself.

 

That's the closest I've ever come in my life to someone telling me thank you sir may I please have another.

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