Gothamite Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Well, his job is not to worry about that. His job is not to worry about the logistics of pro/rel or travel concerns of the various leagues - and anyway, the NASL is considering West Coast expansion, which means geographic concerns don't come into it. His only job is player development, which hasn't been where it needs to been in this country. And good on him for not giving a damn about what the domestic league thinks. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_ThenNowForever Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Well, his job is not to worry about that. His job is not to worry about the logistics of pro/rel or travel concerns of the various leagues - and anyway, the NASL is considering West Coast expansion, which means geographic concerns don't come into it.His only job is player development, which hasn't been where it needs to been in this country. And good on him for not giving a damn about what the domestic league thinks.With the rise of MLS academies, increased investment in USL Pro teams, and the youth movement in the World Cup team, can you really say that? Or at least give it credit for improvement? DeAndre Yedlin went from watching Sounders games in 2012 to playing meaningful minutes in the World Cup in 2014. That's pretty great, the MLS homegrown program is a big part of his success. 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I agree that it's getting better. That's why I said "hasn't been where it needs to have been" (although I did miss a word there). There's still room for improvement, and I want the USMNT manager to care more about seeing that improvement happen and less about inconveniencing the domestic league. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_ThenNowForever Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 That's fair, but he can have that goal without putting down the domestic league and its/his players. 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Yeah that's kind of how I feel about it. If Klinsmann really wants to get the best players for the national team, he should encourage the domestic leagues to be as competitive as possible and be willing to sit through the thin years while the academies start producing players, rather than just cherry pick players of questionable US origin from Europe. That may be the "fan" in me speaking, though. I really think that these player academies are going to be what gets us on par with the rest of the world. Yedlin is the perfect example. I'm happy he's getting the opportunity to play for Spurs, but it's also disappointing because I'd like to see the best home grown talent get better domestically rather than having to go across the pond. We have SO many kids who play soccer, and we should be doing all we can to build them up like we do with our home built sports. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 That's fair, but he can have that goal without putting down the domestic league and its/his players.But what if he sees the domestic league getting in the way of player development, or worse yet, sacrificing it for their own monetary gains? Why shouldn't he "put down the domestic league"?I like the idea of the USMNT butting heads with MLS from time to time. That could drive them both to make US Soccer better. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyk33 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Apparently Klinsmann & Garber are now having a little war of words with each other. http://www.espnfc.com/major-league-soccer/19/blog/post/2091121/major-league-soccer-the-complicated-reality-of-don-garbers-response-to-jurgen-klinsmann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_ThenNowForever Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 That's fair, but he can have that goal without putting down the domestic league and its/his players.But what if he sees the domestic league getting in the way of player development, or worse yet, sacrificing it for their own monetary gains? Why shouldn't he "put down the domestic league"?I like the idea of the USMNT butting heads with MLS from time to time. That could drive them both to make US Soccer better.Soccer development in America needs help from a lot of places - our best athletes choosing soccer instead of football or basketball, getting the right system to develop their skills, and a path to make pro soccer an attractive career choice, perhaps even at home. MLS has made so much progress in the past decade. It's made smart expansion choices. It's allowed some of the world's most recognizable players end their careers here. It's signed a new TV agreement that seemed impossible even in the Beckham days. MLS isn't at the level of Euro leagues, but it won't be this generation. And if you do what Klinsmann is suggesting, it will never be. If you want MLS to grow, you have to accept it for what it is now, but also that where it wants to be means being patient and taking the good with the bad. Yedlin made a million-dollar career possible for himself within the structure of MLS. If that doesn't exist, does he get to Brazil and then Tottenham? Does he become part of Jurgen's youth movement? It's hard to say, but it feels less likely. Supporting MLS takes patience, but I think the wait may be worth it. I also think the different facets of US Soccer have a vested interest in MLS succeeding. So maybe don't encourage its best players to go back to Europe or discourage Americans billionaires to invest in soccer infrastructure. 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbadefense1990 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Apparently Klinsmann & Garber are now having a little war of words with each other. http://www.espnfc.com/major-league-soccer/19/blog/post/2091121/major-league-soccer-the-complicated-reality-of-don-garbers-response-to-jurgen-klinsmann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kewp80 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 That's fair, but he can have that goal without putting down the domestic league and its/his players.But what if he sees the domestic league getting in the way of player development, or worse yet, sacrificing it for their own monetary gains? Why shouldn't he "put down the domestic league"?I like the idea of the USMNT butting heads with MLS from time to time. That could drive them both to make US Soccer better.Agree here. I mean, the South American national teams seem to have no problem with their players getting better and more challenging experiences in Europe. Cardinals -- Rams -- Blues -- Tigers -- Liverpool Check out my music! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosrs1 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 That's fair, but he can have that goal without putting down the domestic league and its/his players.But what if he sees the domestic league getting in the way of player development, or worse yet, sacrificing it for their own monetary gains? Why shouldn't he "put down the domestic league"?I like the idea of the USMNT butting heads with MLS from time to time. That could drive them both to make US Soccer better.I don't. Infighting amongst US Soccer's different pieces has never ended well for the clubs, fans or players. And they always seem to revert to it time and again ultimately defeating no one but themselves in the process. Klinsmann doesn't like the current domestic league's progress on developing players (despite their opening academies, partnering with USL to form a viable minor league system, etc... fine. Keep it private. Putting down a still fragile growing system is not the way to generate interest in US soccer. It's a way to drive interest away from the domestic league and destroy the whole thing.This is where his Euro mentality becomes a problem. This isn't Europe. If you put down the domestic league it's not going to lead to calls to make it better. It's going to lead to fan interest moving back to the Big 4 sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I don't think soccer fans are going to be turned away towards the other sports because MLS and USMNT are squabbling. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashcarson15 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I mean, hell, this story's gotten a lot more traction than the impending play-off for the Supporters' Shield between the league's two best teams featuring the league's two most-marketable players.I don't know — Klinsmann's right. And sure, you can point to Yedlin or whatever if you want to but for the most part, MLS doesn't really do a great job of developing players. Look at guys like Agudelo and Shea. We all thought they'd do brilliantly in England. They've both been complete flops in Europe.Above all else though — and especially going into CBA negotiations in January — MLS needs to be pushed to take its product to another level. By and large, while the league is successful, I'm not sure how much better it's really getting. Perhaps there's a slight uptick in quality of play each year but we've kind of reached a standstill — American players joined by Latin American players and the off 35-year-old European player that wants to chill late in his career. If it's ever going to become a legitimate breeding ground for USMNT players, it needs to get better. Why not now?(That's not to say that pro/rel is the answer. I don't think it is a player development issue. I think players develop worse in pro/rel systems. But that's neither here nor there.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvus Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Whitecaps are gonna fall behind...They had plans to field their own USL team this year, but the local municipality they wanted to host it in turned them down. The proposed re-development of the park would have evicted local baseball groups, who've used the park for ages, and New Westminster didn't like the financial numbers.. Why they don't just put their USL team back in the stadium they played in before the Caps joined MLS I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee. Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Whitecaps are gonna fall behind... They had plans to field their own USL team this year, but the local municipality they wanted to host it in turned them down. The proposed re-development of the park would have evicted local baseball groups, who've used the park for ages, and New Westminster didn't like the financial numbers.. Why they don't just put their USL team back in the stadium they played in before the Caps joined MLS I don't know.this is what I don't understand. Swangard is a perfectly serviceable and upgradeable facility. I know Queens Park is in a beautiful location and easy for fans south of the river to get to, but Swangard is RIGHT THERE, and makes more sense than something like Thunderbird or trying to milk a new stadium out of New Westminster. Welcome to DrunjFlix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoriaGooner Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Whitecaps are gonna fall behind... They had plans to field their own USL team this year, but the local municipality they wanted to host it in turned them down. The proposed re-development of the park would have evicted local baseball groups, who've used the park for ages, and New Westminster didn't like the financial numbers.. Why they don't just put their USL team back in the stadium they played in before the Caps joined MLS I don't know.this is what I don't understand. Swangard is a perfectly serviceable and upgradeable facility. I know Queens Park is in a beautiful location and easy for fans south of the river to get to, but Swangard is RIGHT THERE, and makes more sense than something like Thunderbird or trying to milk a new stadium out of New Westminster.Thunberbird Stadium is definitely not meant to be a soccer stadium, even for a USL PRO team. As for New Westminster, I can see why they wouldn't want to rock the boat with the long standing baseball tennants. I agree Swangard is the way to go for a Whitecaps USL PRO side. Or even better yet, how about a USL PRO team in Victoria? The USL PDL Victoria Highlanders FC have be been toying with the option of moving up to USL PRO. Just need a MLS club to latch on to. THE SHORT FUSE | ARSEBLOG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvus Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Whitecaps are gonna fall behind... They had plans to field their own USL team this year, but the local municipality they wanted to host it in turned them down. The proposed re-development of the park would have evicted local baseball groups, who've used the park for ages, and New Westminster didn't like the financial numbers.. Why they don't just put their USL team back in the stadium they played in before the Caps joined MLS I don't know.this is what I don't understand. Swangard is a perfectly serviceable and upgradeable facility. I know Queens Park is in a beautiful location and easy for fans south of the river to get to, but Swangard is RIGHT THERE, and makes more sense than something like Thunderbird or trying to milk a new stadium out of New Westminster.Thunberbird Stadium is definitely not meant to be a soccer stadium, even for a USL PRO team. As for New Westminster, I can see why they wouldn't want to rock the boat with the long standing baseball tennants. I agree Swangard is the way to go for a Whitecaps USL PRO side. Or even better yet, how about a USL PRO team in Victoria? The USL PDL Victoria Highlanders FC have be been toying with the option of moving up to USL PRO. Just need a MLS club to latch on to.I think they probably want it in the lower mainland so it's easier to integrate with the main team, residency, etc. I like the idea of Victoria, but man, dealing with the ferry ride over is kind of a pain in the ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoriaGooner Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Whitecaps are gonna fall behind... They had plans to field their own USL team this year, but the local municipality they wanted to host it in turned them down. The proposed re-development of the park would have evicted local baseball groups, who've used the park for ages, and New Westminster didn't like the financial numbers.. Why they don't just put their USL team back in the stadium they played in before the Caps joined MLS I don't know.this is what I don't understand. Swangard is a perfectly serviceable and upgradeable facility. I know Queens Park is in a beautiful location and easy for fans south of the river to get to, but Swangard is RIGHT THERE, and makes more sense than something like Thunderbird or trying to milk a new stadium out of New Westminster.Thunberbird Stadium is definitely not meant to be a soccer stadium, even for a USL PRO team. As for New Westminster, I can see why they wouldn't want to rock the boat with the long standing baseball tennants. I agree Swangard is the way to go for a Whitecaps USL PRO side. Or even better yet, how about a USL PRO team in Victoria? The USL PDL Victoria Highlanders FC have be been toying with the option of moving up to USL PRO. Just need a MLS club to latch on to.I think they probably want it in the lower mainland so it's easier to integrate with the main team, residency, etc. I like the idea of Victoria, but man, dealing with the ferry ride over is kind of a pain in the ass. I do see the Whitecaps USL PRO side staying on the lower mainland due to logistics reasons. I am just hoping Victoria Highlander FC doesn't miss the chance of getting a USL PRO club with now four Western based MLS-runned USL PRO clubs starting next season. It would be great to have professional soccer back in Victoria again. We have been doing well with our PDL side for the last six seasons, leading the Western Conference in average home attendance and making the play-offs three of the six seasons (2013 and 2014). WE Victorian football supporters can always hope THE SHORT FUSE | ARSEBLOG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Well, the Cosmos clinched a postseason berth. Makes the game I'm going to next week somewhat less pressing. Mockba, I keep seeing "United FC" all over the Cosmos' page after their last match. Is that your team's preferred nomenclature? The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-kj Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Annoyingly, I think so. The other clinching on Saturday was MNU clinching the overall best record. The road to the title goes through the frozen north. Buy some t-shirts and stuff at KJ Shop! KJ Branded | Behance portfolio POTD 2013-08-22 On 7/14/2012 at 2:20 AM, tajmccall said: When it comes to style, ya'll really should listen to Kev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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