Angels tell Anaheim they're opting out of their lease on Angel Stadium

[Camden Crazy]

13 hours ago, DG_Now said:

 

Massive waste of resources? An entire economy based around paying people very little to accommodate the ultra wealthy? Poorly planned transportation system? Fattening foods and chains as far as you can see?

 

Not sure about your "until" there.

 

I know that there are municipalities that like the idea of baseball, but I can't imagine any North American city (even Montreal?) paying for a new baseball stadium. In 2018 I feel like we're all smarter than building single-use stadiums for a sport that has evolved into four teams competing against the rest aggressively not.

 

 

You forgot legal weed tho

[OnWis97]

3 hours ago, Quillz said:

Oddly enough, the Clippers are leaving Staples Center soon enough for their own arena. (Similar to the days before the Staples Center). When this is happening, I don't know.

Unless that arena is in Seattle, I'm not sure it's worth it.

[LMU]

9 hours ago, Still MIGHTY said:

 

No, he's up. Which is partially why the Angels opted out now and said they'll negotiate next month with the new mayor and council.

 

Also, low key info, Disney kind of wanted out of that hotel anyway. They weren't that mad about having to cancel the project.

The hotel was torpedoed when Tait and Co. yanked the tax incentives.  For Disney, that almost became a blessing since there's an $18/hour minimum wage proposition on the ballot next month for businesses that receive city subsidies.  So, ax the hotel, don't take the tax break, and thus don't give the ballot measure backers something to campaign on.

[DG_ThenNowForever]

47 minutes ago, Camden Crazy said:

 

 

You forgot legal weed tho

 

The rest of the country wishes.

 

We have legal weed in Washington and it's great. Next step is ending all sentences for people locked up with low level weed charges.

 

How that connects to baseball in Anaheim? I don't know. Maybe if people smoked more they'd stop doing stupid things like unnecessarily breaking leases.

[PrimalCookie]

How does it feel to be on the hot seat, Angels fans? Maybe you all won’t as quickly suggest the Rays and A’s just get up and move next time.

 

On the serious note, I really hope that the Angels don’t leave. I would hate to see only the Dodgers in the LA area.

[LMU]

The. Angels. Are. Not. Leaving. The. Los. Angeles. Metropolitan. Area.

 

They. Are. Not. Giving. Up. A. Two. Billion. Dollar. Television. Contract.

 

Stop. Assuming. They. Are. Going. To. Vegas. Or. Portland. Or. Montreal.

 

It. Is. Not. Happening.

[BBTV]

It’s absurd to think the Angles would leave, considering that it’s been proven that teams can make tons of money in the LA region even being second or third fiddle and not trying, as long as they have a nice lease somewhere (see - Clippers). 

 

Unless the owner had a personal reason to move the team, it’s difficult to envision him making more elsewhere, especially Vegas. 

[monkeypower]

Yeah, I don't think the Angels are going to move. They had either now or 2028 to opt out of the lease and with a local election on the way, why not opt out now and try to get something from a new mayor? They also just sunk a bunch of money into the stadium this previous season for new video boards, so kind of a weird move to do a major upgrade to the stadium and then want to leave.

 

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I don't know where I stand on what happens if they do move. I'd much rather have them stay in Anaheim, but I don't know if I would stop being a fan of the team if they were to move. The reason I became an Angels fan was because of the Ducks so I'm a fan of two local teams, but I'm not a local fan.

[ZapRowsdower8]

No chance of them leaving, but close your eyes and imagine this scenario. Team announces they are going to LV. Press conference is happening on the strip with all of the acrobats, "Lets get ready to rumble" guy, chorus line girls, etc... Mike Trout steps out from behind a curtain... He's wearing the new Sin City Angels uniform. CCSLC explodes.  

[tp49]

3 hours ago, LMU said:

The hotel was torpedoed when Tait and Co. yanked the tax incentives.  For Disney, that almost became a blessing since there's an $18/hour minimum wage proposition on the ballot next month for businesses that receive city subsidies.  So, ax the hotel, don't take the tax break, and thus don't give the ballot measure backers something to campaign on.

 

Were the tax incentives yanked in response to the ballot measure or did Disney decide to cancel the hotel and 86 the receiving the tax incentives in response?  I thought I read it as the later.  Either way, I think it's just a negotiating ploy on the part of the Angels and I don't see them leaving.

 

Hey, if it doesn't work out I'm sure Angels Stadium could be imploded for a new Disney parking lot.  It'd be the modern jobing.com arena thread.  

[LMU]

4 minutes ago, tp49 said:

 

Were the tax incentives yanked in response to the ballot measure or did Disney decide to cancel the hotel and 86 the receiving the tax incentives in response?  I thought I read it as the later.  Either way, I think it's just a negotiating ploy on the part of the Angels and I don't see them leaving.

 

Hey, if it doesn't work out I'm sure Angels Stadium could be imploded for a new Disney parking lot.  It'd be the modern jobing.com arena thread.  

The ballot measure is another issue entirely.  The hotel was pulled due to the tax incentives being pulled but to go along with Zach's point, Disney was probably glad to pull out with Measure L looming. 

[habsfan1]

Why are they called the Los Angeles Angels, if they're in Anaheim?

 

Isn't the Dodgers LA's team?

 

 

At least they don't have that ridiculous Los Angeles of Anaheim name anymore.

[FiddySicks]

1 hour ago, LMU said:

The. Angels. Are. Not. Leaving. The. Los. Angeles. Metropolitan. Area.

 

They. Are. Not. Giving. Up. A. Two. Billion. Dollar. Television. Contract.

 

Stop. Assuming. They. Are. Going. To. Vegas. Or. Portland. Or. Montreal.

 

It. Is. Not. Happening.

 

Probably. Not. But. You. And. Your. Neighbors. Are. Definitely. Going. To. End. Up. Paying. Every. Single. Dime. Of. Construction. Costs. While. They. Keep. All. Of. The. Revenues. And. Then. Bitch. About. Lack. Of. Luxury. Suites. Or. Other. Garbage. Eight. Years. Later. And. Threaten. To. Move. Again. 

 

I’d continue, but I’m kinda tired of this game. 

[wildwing64]

7 minutes ago, habsfan1 said:

Why are they called the Los Angeles Angels, if they're in Anaheim?

 

1. Anaheim is technically in the Los Angeles metropolitan area, even though it's not really part of LA proper.

 

2. Arte Moreno.

[LMU]

19 minutes ago, habsfan1 said:

Why are they called the Los Angeles Angels, if they're in Anaheim?

 

Isn't the Dodgers LA's team?

 

 

At least they don't have that ridiculous Los Angeles of Anaheim name anymore.

[habsfan1]

23 minutes ago, LMU said:

 

Exactly.

 

Close but different town & inaccurate name.

[MJWalker45]

21 hours ago, pmoehrin said:

A stadium deal is sweet, but long-term it's your market size that matters the most, especially in a sport like baseball where so much of the revenue comes from local television.

 

I always hear people bring up how the Browns moving to Baltimore is a move that shouldn't have happened. From a fan's perspective this is an easy argument to make, but from a financial one, the move to Baltimore long term has made the franchise more valuable.

 

The lousy move from that time I don't understand is Bud Adams moving the Oilers from Houston to Tennessee. Regardless of what the stadium situation would have been in Houston, its the sixth largest metro area in the country. Where do you think you're going where you're getting a better situation than that?

Since NFL TV revenue is a more equitable split than MLB, he only really loses out on local income from broadcasting preseason games and clothing sales. Additionally, the lame duck year in Houston was preceded by declining attendance. Though that wasn't the case in Cleveland, both stadiums needed repairs or a replacement. The biggest complaint form NFL fans of the Browns move was that Art Modell was so reticent to threaten the city with a move that when it was actually being reported most city employees laughed it off until the moment he stepped off the plane in Baltimore. I think had he been out front and said, "I've saved the Indians for years by letting them play at Cleveland Stadium for almost nothing and I'm not being taken care of" . , the city may have had to wait to open a new stadium in 1999 but the original team would have been going into it instead of an expansion squad. 

 

 

[BBTV]

32 minutes ago, habsfan1 said:

 

Exactly.

 

Close but different town & inaccurate name.

 

Sure, then we should have the Orchard Park Bills too. 

[habsfan1]

I could make an exception with cases like the Buffalo Bills, if their stadium is located just on the border of Buffalo in a super tiny suburb.

 

Anaheim's big enough and distinct enough on their own from LA, they should have their own brand of sports teams. But it's just a personnal preference. The name I'd go with is the one that sounds better to me.

[LMU]

Just now, habsfan1 said:

I could make an exception with cases like the Buffalo Bills, if their stadium is located just on the border of Buffalo in a super tiny suburb.

 

Anaheim's big enough and distinct enough on their own from LA, they should have their own brand of sports teams. But it's just a personnal preference. The name I'd go with is what sound better to me.

Another difference: LA's a lot bigger and has a few dozen more suburbs.  As the map shows there's not a natural dividing line between the LA urban sprawl other than county jurisdiction lines.

 

By the same logic we should have the Carson Galaxy and, in a few years, the Inglewood Rams and Inglewood Chargers.

 

Anaheim's not even the largest city in Orange County.  It's acceptable as a location in that it's the most well known city in OC but it's certainly acceptable to have a Los Angeles team there.