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NFL Merry-Go-Round: Relocation Roundelay

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2 hours ago, bosrs1 said:

By the way, who did your family jump to if anyone? My cousin jumped to Seahawks and everyone else I know jumped to the Niners. 

My uncle, who lives here in Tampa, began to half-heartedly support the Bucs (which feels like the only way one can truly support the Bucs :P ).

 

My dad, who's still in Ontario, has just given up on NFL fandom entirely. 

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25 minutes ago, neo_prankster said:

Portland or San Antonio?

 

 

San Diego is almost three times the size of Portland, which if we're being honest here, is just a more hipster version of Sacramento. Cool city, no doubt, but they probably don't have the population to really make that work. I could see the Seahawks putting up a stink there as well.  

 

San Antonio is an interesting candidate because it's slightly larger than San Diego (Which, holy crap, I didn't realize that) and it has shown that it can support another pro sports team. Problem is, you'll have to pry a market like San Antonio out of Jerry Jones' cold, dead hands. Houston may have something to say about that, as well. 

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Contracting certain billionaire :censored: owners would be better 😁

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1 hour ago, Bucfan56 said:

 

That's one way to get me off that trashy Bucs narcotic. I'm all for it! Sink Florida into the Atlantic, while we're at it. 

 

 

Can you name a single market left without an NFL team that's stronger than San Diego? If I sat back and really thought about it, MAYBE, at best. But I doubt it. 

You channeled your inner Bomani Jones with that line. 😁

51 minutes ago, neo_prankster said:

 

Washington would be a good candidate.

 

 

Portland or San Antonio?

 

34 minutes ago, Bucfan56 said:

San Diego is almost three times the size of Portland, which if we're being honest here, is just a more hipster version of Sacramento. Cool city, no doubt, but they probably don't have the population to really make that work. I could see the Seahawks putting up a stink there as well.  

 

San Antonio is an interesting candidate because it's slightly larger than San Diego (Which, holy crap, I didn't realize that) and it has shown that it can support another pro sports team. Problem is, you'll have to pry a market like San Antonio out of Jerry Jones' cold, dead hands. Houston may have something to say about that, as well. 

In terms of TV households, in order, it is: Orlando, Sacramento, Portland, Raleigh, San Diego, Salt Lake City, San Antonio

 

Overall look at the US markets of the "Big 4" pro sports: https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/nba-market-size-nfl-mlb-nhl-nielsen-ratings/

 

Annually, there is a NCAA ratings by Nielsen market report released, I may or may not search for the NFL version which looks at every Nielsen market, not just the 29 within the NFL

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Talk about SD is premature unless someone is willing/able to fund a stadium, since the public is not.  It's also premature because Kroenke, who we know carries a lot of sway.  He had a tenant forced upon him, but one that under the circumstances, didn't pose much of a threat to his market share.  A riled up SD fan base ready to re-turn their loyalties to a returning Chargers might be a different story.  There's no way the league intervenes in the situation until the team has a season or two in the new stadium.  They probably think that everything will be fine once they get a new home.

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29 minutes ago, BringBackTheVet said:

Talk about SD is premature unless someone is willing/able to fund a stadium, since the public is not.  It's also premature because Kroenke, who we know carries a lot of sway.  He had a tenant forced upon him, but one that under the circumstances, didn't pose much of a threat to his market share.  A riled up SD fan base ready to re-turn their loyalties to a returning Chargers might be a different story.  There's no way the league intervenes in the situation until the team has a season or two in the new stadium.  They probably think that everything will be fine once they get a new home.

SDSU has the development rights to the current site and their stadium concept allows for a 55K seat stadium, but it will start out as 35K.

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/sports/SDSU-Releases-Football-Stadium-Renderings-550331381.html

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17 minutes ago, BringBackTheVet said:

There's no way the league intervenes in the situation until the team has a season or two in the new stadium. 

 

I agree with this. 

 

But once it becomes clear that the Chargers' situation is no better in the new stadium, then the league will act.

 

For a team in L.A. to be dragging the NFL's image down benefits no one, not even Kroenke and the Rams. The league will not let that continue.

 

Bringing a non-Spanos-owned Chargers team back to San Diego would be an opportunity fir the NFL to come out looking like the good guys, an opportunity that the league will not pass this up.

 

So my guess is that, after two or three years of the Chargers playing in the new stadium to a small audience consisting mainly of opposing fans, we'll see a sale and relocation. And the Chargers' new owners will have some sort of stadium plan.

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1 hour ago, BringBackTheVet said:

Talk about SD is premature unless someone is willing/able to fund a stadium, since the public is not.  It's also premature because Kroenke, who we know carries a lot of sway.  He had a tenant forced upon him, but one that under the circumstances, didn't pose much of a threat to his market share.  A riled up SD fan base ready to re-turn their loyalties to a returning Chargers might be a different story.  There's no way the league intervenes in the situation until the team has a season or two in the new stadium.  They probably think that everything will be fine once they get a new home.

 

Reportedly, Kroenke actually carries very little sway among his fellow owners.  By all accounts he isn’t particularly well-liked, nor is he considered one of “them”, unlike Spanos.  He was only able to get his relocation through by the sheer overwhelming merits of his plan, overcoming the objections of the committee that instead wanted to award the LA prize to the insiders Spanos and Davis. And even then Kroenke was punished by the other owners who saddled him with a “partner” he neither needed nor wanted. 

 

And there’s evidence to support those reports. If Kroenke carried sway, Goodell wouldn’t have been working behind the scenes with St. Louis to prevent the relocation.  If Kroenke carried sway, Goodell wouldn’t have been able to arbitrarily force him to stay in St. Louis well after it was clear the city had no intention of living up to their contract.

 

That aside, why would Kroenke see the new San Diego Chargers as a threat to him?  He can’t be counting on the San Diego market in any meaningful way.  Plus having LA all to himself would more than equal the loss of whatever small compensation he sees from San Diego. 

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Maybe he doesn't have friends / support among the other owners, but he was powerful enough to push forward despite all of the ojections, and basically just rolled over the commissioner.  That's not nothing.  I agree that in order to block a return to SD he'd certainly need all of that other support, so there may be a limit to his influence there.

 

Wasn't he or some of the parties involved claiming that SD / LA was really the same market?  Maybe it was Spanos who claimed that he had to move to LA to keep his LA-area base?  I recall there was something like that.  Either way, right now it's reasonable to assume that some disgruntled Chargers fans have turned their support to the Rams - even if just to spite the Chargers - so a return to SD would have some impact, even if minimal.  

 

Regardless, they're not moving back to SD, so it's a moot point.

 

 

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1 hour ago, dfwabel said:

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SDSU has the development rights to the current site and their stadium concept allows for a 55K seat stadium, but it will start out as 35K.

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/sports/SDSU-Releases-Football-Stadium-Renderings-550331381.html

 

There's a lot of key parts left out of that story.  The requirements for a stadium to be up to "NFL standards" are so high now that I find it hard to imagine that a university could construct a NFL-caliber facility without substantial backing.  Not mentioned are the amount of suites, what an expanded design would look like, locker room / practice facilities, medical, fan amenities, etc.  Basically, it's just a picture.

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2 hours ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

 

I agree with this. 

 

But once it becomes clear that the Chargers' situation is no better in the new stadium, then the league will act.

 

For a team in L.A. to be dragging the NFL's image down benefits no one, not even Kroenke and the Rams. The league will not let that continue.

 

Bringing a non-Spanos-owned Chargers team back to San Diego would be an opportunity fir the NFL to come out looking like the good guys, an opportunity that the league will not pass this up.

 

So my guess is that, after two or three years of the Chargers playing in the new stadium to a small audience consisting mainly of opposing fans, we'll see a sale and relocation. And the Chargers' new owners will have some sort of stadium plan.

 

Yeah but this is WAY easier said than done. How do you suppose the league is going to get the Spanos family to sell the Chargers when they have stated several times that they have no intentions of doing that, and are in very good standing with the league (despite how disliked they are by the fans)? 

 

Its really not as as simple as “forcing” the owners of billion dollar corporations to sell their revenue generators because the league doesn’t like the look of what they do. I mean, I get the sentiment and I’m sure the league doesn’t like it any more than we do. But legally, what can they really do? Good luck getting that through litigation cleanly. 

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In a debatable perfect world the Raiders are in LA, Chargers in SD and the Rams in St. Louis owned by Shad Khan. 

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11 minutes ago, Wings said:

In a debatable perfect world the Raiders are in LA, Chargers in SD and the Rams in St. Louis owned by Shad Khan. 

No.  The Raiders are just who they are...The F'N Raiders!

 

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1 minute ago, dfwabel said:

No.  The Raiders are just who they are...The Raiders!

 

 

Plus we need Mark Davis around to riff on. 

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5 minutes ago, Wings said:

 

Plus we need Mark Davis around to riff on. 

 

Free Prince Valiant Hair cuts for all Raiders fans!

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4 hours ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

Bringing a non-Spanos-owned Chargers team back to San Diego would be an opportunity fir the NFL to come out looking like the good guys, an opportunity that the league will not pass this up

 

The NFL couldn’t care less about “looking like the good guys”.  

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3 hours ago, Bucfan56 said:

 

Yeah but this is WAY easier said than done. How do you suppose the league is going to get the Spanos family to sell the Chargers when they have stated several times that they have no intentions of doing that, and are in very good standing with the league (despite how disliked they are by the fans)? 

 

Its really not as as simple as “forcing” the owners of billion dollar corporations to sell their revenue generators because the league doesn’t like the look of what they do. I mean, I get the sentiment and I’m sure the league doesn’t like it any more than we do. But legally, what can they really do? Good luck getting that through litigation cleanly. 

It gets easier if the Chargers can't pay their bills. Their PSLs are at bargain basement prices, and they still have trouble selling. They still have to cough up $600M to relocate at some point, although I think they can pay it off over 10 years? 

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39 minutes ago, Wings said:

In a debatable perfect world the Raiders are in LA, Chargers in SD and the Rams in St. Louis owned by Shad Khan

 

Can’t agree with you there.  The Rams are right back where they belong. 

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On 10/26/2019 at 1:15 PM, Bucfan56 said:

Its really not as as simple as “forcing” the owners of billion dollar corporations to sell their revenue generators because the league doesn’t like the look of what they do. I mean, I get the sentiment and I’m sure the league doesn’t like it any more than we do. But legally, what can they really do? Good luck getting that through litigation cleanly. 

 

It won't come down to legal action. I expect that the other owners will eventually persuade Spanos to sell by appealing to him as fellow businessmen.

 

 

On 10/26/2019 at 3:39 PM, Gothamite said:
On 10/26/2019 at 10:43 AM, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

Bringing a non-Spanos-owned Chargers team back to San Diego would be an opportunity fir the NFL to come out looking like the good guys, an opportunity that the league will not pass this up

 

The NFL couldn’t care less about “looking like the good guys”.

 

The NFL cares about everything that impacts the perception of, and hence the value of, its brands.

 

Having a shunned team in one of the biggest cities in the country amounts to a source of ongoing bad publicity. If the league can trade that humiliating scenario for one in which this team comes home to a grateful and embracing public, it will want to do that for sure.

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25 minutes ago, Gothamite said:

 

Can’t agree with you there.  The Rams are right back where they belong. 

So then should the Cardinals be moved back to St. Louis?

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