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Cincinnati Reds: Time For A Change?

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29 minutes ago, McCarthy said:

 

HARD disagree. I always thought that looked like a photo negative. The full oval-like shape is necessary because it contains all the elements into one shape, which is what makes it a logo. There was too much white space around REDS for my liking, especially if you place it on a grey, black, red background. The best solution is to simply thicken the red stroke around the entire thing like so

 

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Also, the white C on the jerseys matches the white C on the hat because the perfect Reds hat is a red crown with a white C.

 

Yeah, thickening the outline does improve it (heck, I've done that before). Still, the "photo negative" version isn't that bad.

 

While I like the white outlines all-around on the road uniform, I simply can't get behind that number font. Something about it just rubs me the wrong way. I prefer Block Standard Bold:

 

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...or a font based around the 1950s/early-60s designs.

 

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Even though I like the all-around white outlines, eliminating white outlines also looks fantastic:

 

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15 minutes ago, THRILLHO said:

@McCarthy 

Taste plays a big part in all this, but I agree with you on these Reds design.  Recently the Reds Instagram account posted a video of Adam Dunn hitting a home run off Jose Lima at GABP when Lima was on the Dodgers.  At that time the Dodgers road uniforms had white outlines around the letters and numbers and it had a headspoon on the road uniform.  For me the dodgers road uniform is more attractive without the white and the headspoon.  With the Reds, I’m with you, I prefer the white trim on the letters and numbers for the road grey.  Also, that red/white/red piping on the road greys has carried over to the current road design’s pants and sleeves.  It is one of the things I like about the road design.  They could have included that on the home uniform too.  

 

 

 

Since 2007 (I can't believe we're in year 13 of these uniforms) I've been saying they should've. My hope is that the buzz around all these throwback uniforms gets Reds brass to consider going back to something more befitting a team of their history. 

 

I've pontificated on this before, but I think the reason blue looks better than red when placed right on top of gray is because it's in the same color family as the standard MLB gray so it's a natural coupling whereas red and gray have a visual vibration when butted up against one another and need that color separating the two to look their best. 

 

The other issue with those Dodgers road grays was I think they actually had a gray outline surrounded by a white outline. On a long word like Los Angeles, spelled out in script, with two outlines, that's a lot to look at. That was a case that was better when simplified

 

 

 

I say all that to say that white outlines can sometimes look really good

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I really like how Detroit uses it, I really like how Kansas City uses it. If I had a vote I'd vote for the Yankees to keep it. 

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All of this talk about the Reds throwback uniforms really dredges up my love for the Reds in red and white without any additional colors. That's LONG since been my favorite baseball uniform, and seeing them so prominently lately really cements that. 

 

Also, @McCarthy is right. That last Reds pullover road uniform with the white outlines around Cincinnati and the names and numbers is absolutely perfect for the Reds. 

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4 hours ago, McCarthy said:

*waits for people to tell me why white outlines are the worst thing to ever to baseball uniforms and they prefer the pre-1988 road uniform.*

 

The white outlines were right for the television quality of the time, but with a light enough grey, they shouldn't need them anymore.

 

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3 hours ago, McCarthy said:

I've pontificated on this before, but I think the reason blue looks better than red when placed right on top of gray is because it's in the same color family as the standard MLB gray so it's a natural coupling whereas red and gray have a visual vibration when butted up against one another and need that color separating the two to look their best. 

Didn't see this when I replied, but that's a very good point. Should the Reds wear a warm grey instead of the bluish-greenish cool grey that's standard? I've long thought that the Cardinals should have a distinctively yellowish grey (Gashouse Grey?), as should the brown/yellow Padres. Conversely, the Royals should have a much bluer tint to recall the powder blue without going all the way. 

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11 hours ago, McCarthy said:

 

Since 2007 (I can't believe we're in year 13 of these uniforms) I've been saying they should've. My hope is that the buzz around all these throwback uniforms gets Reds brass to consider going back to something more befitting a team of their history. 

 

I've pontificated on this before, but I think the reason blue looks better than red when placed right on top of gray is because it's in the same color family as the standard MLB gray so it's a natural coupling whereas red and gray have a visual vibration when butted up against one another and need that color separating the two to look their best. 

 

The other issue with those Dodgers road grays was I think they actually had a gray outline surrounded by a white outline. On a long word like Los Angeles, spelled out in script, with two outlines, that's a lot to look at. That was a case that was better when simplified

 

 

 

I say all that to say that white outlines can sometimes look really good

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I really like how Detroit uses it, I really like how Kansas City uses it. If I had a vote I'd vote for the Yankees to keep it. 

I prefer the Reds and Yankees without white outlines, but I don’t mind them. I definitely prefer the Tigers without them though.

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17 hours ago, the admiral said:

 

The white outlines were right for the television quality of the time, but with a light enough grey, they shouldn't need them anymore.

 

That may very well be true, but by now the white outlines serve a different purpose, which is to buffer the red from the gray for simple design choice reasons. Single color on gray makes the statement that this is supposed to evoke old, golden-age feels with no extra frills, to throwback to a time when the road uniforms weren't important because the home fans literally never saw them. The Reds could very much pull that off if they wanted to. Color script with a white outline makes a different statement - Gives it an extra layer, extra detail, says "this is a big league team with the cash to blow on double layer twill." MAKES THE NUMBERS POP, BABY!!! If the Reds were to get rid of all the black dropshadows and move back to a strictly red/white scheme then it makes sense to treat white like one of their colors and use it on outlines the same way the Pirates and A's use yellow. 

 

What I don't like is mixing the two. If you're going to go stroke-free then no white can be present on the uniform. If you're going to use the redwhitered striping then you have to use white on the name and numbers. 

 

17 hours ago, the admiral said:

 

Didn't see this when I replied, but that's a very good point. Should the Reds wear a warm grey instead of the bluish-greenish cool grey that's standard? I've long thought that the Cardinals should have a distinctively yellowish grey (Gashouse Grey?), as should the brown/yellow Padres. Conversely, the Royals should have a much bluer tint to recall the powder blue without going all the way. 

 

I thought back when the Padres went to the khaki road uniforms in 2004 that we'd get a renaissance of non-gray road uniforms, but done more tastefully and understated than what was tried in the 70's and 80's, and I welcomed the possibility. But then the Padres proceeded to wear the full tan uni like 6 times over the 5-ish years they had it before switching to their super boring, purposely lifeless brand identity. 

 

It's possible those Padres uniforms were just ahead of their time. We're in a period now where bright colors are back in style, players aren't afraid to wear loud uniforms with instagram and uni-watch culture playing a big part. You wear a bright uniform, regardless of how ugly or poorly designed it is, and you get a bunch more fire emojis in the comments than if you wear a tastefully designed gray shirt. You also have teams like the Cardinals and Pirates using non-gray uniforms as full-time alternates rather than just the odd throwback intended to laugh at the novelty of powder blue or yellow or tequila sunrise. The pendulum has swung back and the standard issue MLB gray isn't the best color for a lot of teams' color palletes so I'm up for more differentiation team-to-team. 

 

The thing that may be holding teams back from experimenting with the color of their road uniform is probably the single uniform manufacturer model. Majestic standardized all the gray uniforms to one color to streamline their process and because the cool base jerseys were difficult to color match. But if there's any uniform supplier who wouldn't be afraid to goof around with them, it's Nike, who takes over next season. 

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22 hours ago, McCarthy said:

l If the Reds were to get rid of all the black dropshadows and move back to a strictly red/white scheme then it makes sense to treat white like one of their colors and use it on outlines the same way the Pirates and A's use yellow. 

 

What I don't like is mixing the two. If you're going to go stroke-free then no white can be present on the uniform. If you're going to use the redwhitered striping then you have to use white on the name and numbers. 

 

 

If they did finally remove the dropshadows having white be the outline would be logical. They already have it in place. It’s technically used as an outline even on the white jersey. If you look closely you can see here.  

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I completely agree on the mix match comment.  If you do white trim you gotta incorporate it all over 

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On 8/20/2019 at 9:25 AM, McCarthy said:

a time when the road uniforms weren't important because the home fans literally never saw them

Holy cow this is so true it's jarring to think about it. Imagine, from our perspective, as people who passionately discuss sports uniforms, that there was a period of time where you almost literally never saw half of a team's uniform set. That's mind boggling to think about now.

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This might sound crazy in this thread but as much as the Reds don't need black and all those drop shadows around the names, numbers and wordmarks, I don't mind the drop shadow on the cap or on the primary logo. Maybe it's because I've seen it for twenty years already but it's pretty ingrained in my mind by now.

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