Stadium/Arena Saga Omnibus

[ManillaToad]

Why do people dislike Las Vegas so much when it comes to sports?

[FiddySicks]

1 hour ago, plobrien said:

 

I think Sacramento would be another great option if they can renovate the existing Triple-A stadium. Keeps them in Northern California too. 

Lol, no. It absolutely would not. I was once also fooled into thinking this. Then I spent five years of my life working with the city’s last disaster of an attempt to get a top level professional sports team. Sacramento is 100% out. 

[DustDevil61]

1 hour ago, ManillaToad said:

Why do people dislike Las Vegas so much when it comes to sports?

I don’t hate Las Vegas as a market; to be honest, it should have had a team 10 years before it did. My concern is that Vegas ends up saturated before long. I can’t think of any #30 or smaller market (IIRC Vegas is, like, #35) that could end up having a team in all 4 major sports (and then some).
 

I think the A’s would (will?) quickly drop to last in the market in terms of local support once the novelty wears off, and while they would have more visiting fans because Las Vegas, it comes across more as a get-richer-quicker scheme for Rob Manfred and Co. more than actually building (rebuilding) a fanbase in  places like Portland, Nashville, Montreal, Salt Lake, etc.

 

The Knights are adored because they were the first ones in, and the Raiders are the Raiders, but are you really going to have solid attendance for the A’s in Las Vegas at least 81 times a year 10 years in?

 

Edited June 29, 2022 by DustDevil61
Word cleanup

[ltjets21]

2 hours ago, plobrien said:

 

I think Sacramento would be another great option if they can renovate the existing Triple-A stadium. Keeps them in Northern California too. 

 

Nobody in modern baseball is ever going to permanently move to a renovated Minor League Stadium. 

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9 minutes ago, ltjets21 said:

Nobody in modern baseball is ever going to permanently move to a renovated Minor League Stadium. 

NHL: hold my beer.....

[tp49]

2 hours ago, plobrien said:

 

I think Sacramento would be another great option if they can renovate the existing Triple-A stadium. Keeps them in Northern California too. 

No.  Just no.  Sacramento has neither the will, the facilities, nor the corporate base to both attract and keep an MLB franchise. 2008 showed us what happens in Sacramento when the biggest business, aka, the state government can't pay the bills.

 

 

1 hour ago, FiddySicks said:

Lol, no. It absolutely would not. I was once also fooled into thinking this. Then I spent five years of my life working with the city’s last disaster of an attempt to get a top level professional sports team. Sacramento is 100% out. 

If I could have liked this several times I would have.  1000% correct.

[McCall]

1 hour ago, DustDevil61 said:

I don’t hate Las Vegas as a market; to be honest, it should have had a team 10 years before it did. My concern is that Vegas ends up saturated before long. I can’t think of any #30 or smaller market (IIRC Vegas is, like, #35) that could end up having a team in all 4 major sports (and then some).
 

I think the A’s would (will?) quickly drop to last in the market in terms of local support once the novelty wears off, and while they would have more visiting fans because Las Vegas, it comes across more as a get-richer-quicker scheme for Rob Manfred and Co. more than actually building (rebuilding) a fanbase in  places like Portland, Nashville, Montreal, Salt Lake, etc.

 

The Knights are adored because they were the first ones in, and the Raiders are the Raiders, but are you really going to have solid attendance for the A’s in Las Vegas at least 81 times a year 10 years in?

 

Sorry, but Salt Lake has no chance. Vegas is 1st, Portland a distant 2nd (in the event they don't remain in Oakland). If there was a chance they moved east (doubtful), Nashville would be priority if the Rays aren't' there first.

[Sec19Row53]

1 hour ago, ltjets21 said:

Nobody in modern baseball is ever going to permanently move to a renovated Minor League Stadium. 

The seats at the new park in Vegas are the greatest ever. They are made of a firm mesh. It gives ever so slightly (you don't sag in the seat), and they allow for airflow.

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24 minutes ago, Sec19Row53 said:

The seats at the new park in Vegas are the greatest ever. They are made of a firm mesh. It gives ever so slightly (you don't sag in the seat), and they allow for airflow.

I use an office chair with a mesh back at home and work office. The mesh really helps you stay dry or at least not feel stuffy like a leather chair would, especially on a hot day. The adjustable lumbar support helps out as well

[SeaTac]

Wasn't there talk of a retractable roof stadium over in Henderson. 

[who do you think]

Does Portland even really want a team? They had chances with the Expos and Marlins. I think they're fine with NBA and MLS, and baseball wants them to want a team more than they themselves actually want one.

 

As far as Vegas goes - assuming that MLB does indeed shove this move through in the manner of someone body-checking a couch through a tight doorway - the bottom is gonna fall out on somebody there at some point if leagues keep moving in just because it's trendy. CSA of only 2.3 million people, nothing but desert beyond that, volatile local economy based almost entirely on tourism and hedonism, and yeah that water thing. Also Vegas just put up a new AAA stadium, what would happen to that if they went and slapped down some Globe Life Park monstrosity?

 

I've said it before but both these teams (Rays and A's) have been in limbo forever now. If there was any decent place for them to go that actually wanted them, they'd be there already. Bud Selig was publicly crapping on O.co and calling the franchise unviable without a new stadium twenty years ago!

[WestCoastBias]

4 hours ago, ltjets21 said:

Nobody in modern baseball is ever going to permanently move to a renovated Minor League Stadium. 

 

I'm thinking a renovation that's basically a new stadium. like they just keep the lower bowl or something. 

 

5 hours ago, ManillaToad said:

Why do people dislike Las Vegas so much when it comes to sports?

 

Because every league is looking to move there. One them isn't going to work out, and it isn't gonna be the NBA or NFL.

[ManillaToad]

9 hours ago, plobrien said:

Because every league is looking to move there. One them isn't going to work out, and it isn't gonna be the NBA or NFL.

 

This doesn't answer my question at all because it just comes off as you being annoyed that there's a successful hockey team in Las Vegas

[The_Admiral]

15 hours ago, ManillaToad said:

Why do people dislike Las Vegas so much when it comes to sports?

I dislike it when it comes to everything.

[Ferdinand Cesarano]

10 minutes ago, ManillaToad said:

 

This doesn't answer my question at all because it just comes off as you being annoyed that there's a successful hockey team in Las Vegas

 

It is right to be annoyed at the presence of an NHL team in Las Vegas as opposed to a Canadian city.

 

It is also right to hope that the A's do not move to Las Vegas (or anywhere else), so that an original American League team does not have to endure its third relocation and does not end a stint in Oakland that has now surpassed the amount of time that the team was in Philadelphia.

 

Anyone with an appreciation for history would understand these feelings.

 

[gosioux76]

10 hours ago, who do you think said:

Does Portland even really want a team? They had chances with the Expos and Marlins. I think they're fine with NBA and MLS, and baseball wants them to want a team more than they themselves actually want one.

 

In the 10 years I lived there, the only substantive interest in this topic, that I could see, came from the small number of people pushing stadium plans and sportswriters who seem to refuse to accept that soccer is a real sport. 

 

There are surprisingly few large corporations in Oregon, let alone Portland. Unless Phil Knight were to buy the team (as he's reportedly attempting to do with the Blazers), I have doubts whether there's enough corporate support to prop up another team without siphoning from the Blazers and Timbers.  

 

The now four-year-old campaign to bring a baseball team to Portland — the Portland Diamond Project — appears to be little more than a collection of stadium renderings, promises of future land acquisitions, and no acknowledged financial backers outside of small-scale vanity plays, like Russell Wilson and Ciara. It's essentially an apparel brand that sells baseball hats with a P on them. 

 

In order for the A's to land there, the current ownership would have to buy into Portland as the most viable option for them to invest in a stadium that they, in all likelihood, would have to finance privately. There's ZERO appetite there for publicly subsidizing a big-league ballpark. 

 

So, once again, any mention of Portland as a likely landing spot is nothing more than base level speculation. There's a lot more to it than looking at a map and seeing which big cities don't have a  major league team.

 

I love Portland, so I hope I'm proven wrong about this. But I just don't see it happening. 

[DG_YouKnowWhatThatMeans]

Whenever I think of community-led sports projects, I think of this guy:

 

 

"Well, we'll need a banner because that's how people will know what city we're talking about here. And then a baseball, because it's baseball! It's a nice symbol for baseball. Let's get some bats in there too 'cause if you have a ball you gotta have some bats! And can we get some stars too? See, 'cause we're 'dreamers' and you dream at night. And what's in the sky at night? Exactly!"

 

[WestCoastBias]

1 hour ago, ManillaToad said:

 

This doesn't answer my question at all because it just comes off as you being annoyed that there's a successful hockey team in Las Vegas

 

I think it's obvious that baseball is the sport I think will fail in Vegas. I could care less about the successful hockey team that didn't even make the playoffs last year, they'll be fine since they were the first ones there.

[McCall]

10 minutes ago, plobrien said:

 

I think it's obvious that baseball is the sport I think will fail in Vegas. I could care less about the successful hockey team that didn't even make the playoffs last year, they'll be fine since they were the first ones there.

For the first time in their 5-year history, y'know.

[McCall]

1 hour ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

 

It is right to be annoyed at the presence of an NHL team in Las Vegas as opposed to a Canadian city.

 

It is also right to hope that the A's do not move to Las Vegas (or anywhere else), so that an original American League team does not have to endure its third relocation and does not end a stint in Oakland that has now surpassed the amount of time that the team was in Philadelphia.

 

Anyone with an appreciation for history would understand these feelings.

 

I have an appreciation for history and I don't feel either of those.