Nationals Uniforms to be Unveiled

[yh]

Well, if they add another level of seats, which was the plan all along, the Expos/Nationals are welcome in Buffalo...

Now that you metion it, I wonder why Buffalo isn't in the running. They support their minor-league franchise very well and they're an excellent sports town.

My only guess would be because Toronto is so close

Yes, I don't think MLB would want an NL team moving close to an existing AL team, especially one with a bird mascot.

[Ez Street]

Well, if they add another level of seats, which was the plan all along, the Expos/Nationals are welcome in Buffalo...

Now that you metion it, I wonder why Buffalo isn't in the running. They support their minor-league franchise very well and they're an excellent sports town.

My only guess would be because Toronto is so close

Yes, I don't think MLB would want an NL team moving close to an existing AL team, especially one with a bird mascot.

hehehehehe

[FiddySicks]

I'm not sure about Sacramento getting a team. I think it's still a growing city and I'm not sure what the whether is like there (although I've been to Davis)

you talk about near perfect baseball weather sacto is the place

I don't think you'd be saying that for a day game in August when it's 103. Though I would love to see an MLB team here I figure if it's anyone it would be the A's.

yeah it gets warm but its way better than Las Vegas in august, thats for sure. and its probably better than DC too, because DC is so humid

[OnWis97]

Well, if they add another level of seats, which was the plan all along, the Expos/Nationals are welcome in Buffalo...

Now that you metion it, I wonder why Buffalo isn't in the running. They support their minor-league franchise very well and they're an excellent sports town.

My only guess would be because Toronto is so close

I would think that would matter MUCH less than Baltimore DC, since the distance is greater and there is an International boarder in between.

[jerkstore]

You need to consider market size though, Buffalo is a tiny market, and MLB just wouldnt get the same $ by selling the team to someone in buffalo.

[The_Admiral]

I think Boston would bring in killer attendence if the Nats were to play in Boston for 1 year. It's almost impossible to buy Sox tickets, and considering how baseball trumps all else here, there would be a ton of people going to NL games if they were at fenway. I'm sure they could work out some schedule. I know it was an idea brought up the first time around,

1) where do they play

2) The Red Sox would not be receptive to this

3) The White Sox would be like "Hey, there's only room for one ignored B-team in this sport"

[OnWis97]

You need to consider market size though, Buffalo is a tiny market, and MLB just wouldnt get the same $ by selling the team to someone in buffalo.

Love your handle. Before found out how to get the flags in my sig, my sig read: "The jerk store called. They're runnin' out of you."

I have that on the other board I am on.

[philly97flyer]

Just to update the current state on the Nationals, the link to the Shop on their official site has been removed.

[Survival79]

Just to update the current state on the Nationals, the link to the Shop on their official site has been removed.

But they haven't taken down their "W" logo from the MLB Shop yet.

Also, there are a few Nationals jerseys for sale on eBay.

[Mings]

if they are letting people get refunds for season tickets, thats definitely not a good sign.

[JQK]

The DC council is going to have to cave in, or the Nats are moving to Vegas.

MLB is not going to give in. They already have alot of egg on their face. They have nothing to lose. It's just another footnote in the strange history of this franchise.

DC, however, will lose a Big League team, and the Big League money that comes with having a Big League team.

What this council-bitch is doing is playing politics. She's going to make a run for mayor, and she wants to be seen by the anti-baseball people as their heroin.

Her political ambition will kill Washington Baseball.

[CC97]

The DC council is going to have to cave in, or the Nats are moving to Vegas.

MLB is not going to give in. They already have alot of egg on their face. They have nothing to lose. It's just another footnote in the strange history of this franchise.

DC, however, will lose a Big League team, and the Big League money that comes with having a Big League team.

What this council-bitch is doing is playing politics. She's going to make a run for mayor, and she wants to be seen by the anti-baseball people as their heroin.

Her political ambition will kill Washington Baseball.

But she's still making the proper decision... MLB is asking for way too much here. DC offers to pay for half of a brand new stadium, and thus finally a long-term home for this franchise, and MLB is saying "no friggin way! we're outta here". Insanity I tells ya.

This sucks for the DC baseball fan who hates the 45 minute drive to Baltimore (oh the humanity! 45 minutes to the next closest market!), but it's the best thing to do for the people she represents.

[M59]

The DC council is going to have to cave in, or the Nats are moving to Vegas.

MLB is not going to give in. They already have alot of egg on their face. They have nothing to lose. It's just another footnote in the strange history of this franchise.

DC, however, will lose a Big League team, and the Big League money that comes with having a Big League team.

What this council-bitch is doing is playing politics. She's going to make a run for mayor, and she wants to be seen by the anti-baseball people as their heroin.

Her political ambition will kill Washington Baseball.

But she's still making the proper decision... MLB is asking for way too much here. DC offers to pay for half of a brand new stadium, and thus finally a long-term home for this franchise, and MLB is saying "no friggin way! we're outta here". Insanity I tells ya.

This sucks for the DC baseball fan who hates the 45 minute drive to Baltimore (oh the humanity! 45 minutes to the next closest market!), but it's the best thing to do for the people she represents.

The problem here is that Crop is making a mockery of the concept of "a deal is a deal." She had many opportunities to vioce opposition to the deal while it was being negotiated, and waited, until (almost) the last second, to toss in her killer amendment.

I am not opposed to a public/private deal for stadium financing. I am opposed to the shenanagans Crop is pulling.

[Gothamite]

I agree. This is pure grandstanding, the worst kind of politicking.

Vegas? Hardly.

[JamesCraven]

"I am not opposed to a public/private deal for stadium financing. I am opposed to the shenanagans Crop is pulling."

So, Ms. Crop is pulling shenanigans and blarney. I could call Mullarkey, but he's in Buffalo at the moment.

Seriously, though, if they move to Vegas, William D. Cox, who owned the Phillies in 1942, gets inducted into Cooperstown. Cox bet against the Phillies and was kicked out of baseball.

[The_Admiral]

she wants to be seen by the anti-baseball people as their heroin.

To which they replied, "I want a new drug"

but seriously I thought Norfolk was the destination now, not Vegas, and I think they should do just that. It won't fluff up alignment.

[Grish]

You know living her in Seattle I was big backer of the new stadium and the money it brings in. However, until the recent signings the M's pocketed the money and felt no real obligation to their fans that put up the money for their business to run. It has only been since fans spoke out and refused to purchase season tickets the ownership finally said ?the loose of the revenue would be too great to continue to bank the profits?. And for most this time since Safeco has opened I have felt pretty cheated by a team that took my support and flushed down the toilet, to take profits from a stadium we as tax payers paid placing in their bank accounts.

Now, I think all teams should follow the Green Bay ownership rule or have to invest in the community has much as the community invests in it. Since most cities are being held hostage for multi million dollar stadiums, should not the city see some of the direct benefit? Should they not own the right to suggest in their city, ?we expect that you see this as a partnership and expect a team to invest in that partnership?? These teams sell and are worth millions of dollars and the owner uses the stadium packages as part of their value.

Yes cities see benefits increased property values, community pride and new business streams. But, is DC wrong to ask for some form of commitment to its community from an organization that has not done a day of business its city? Is MLB holding DC to the fire because they can get this deal else where? From the outside looking in DC is not wrong for reconsidering its position, and MLB is not getting this deal or a better one else where or it would have gone there. Let us not forget the stadium agreement was a verbal agreement never in writing. Just like in the real world, it is an ?understanding?, not a contract until you have it in writing.

MLB has egg on its face for several reasons. First the Montreal situation is their making, do to the strike that they cannot get buried in a glamorous return to DC. Just asked Miami who they feel about MLB in their city, as the Marlins are looking to move. Who is their problem, the ex-owner of the Expos who agreed to take Marlin?s ownership as part of MLB business practices of turning down the highest bidder in Boston. It is an evil web that MLB has created by a strike, bad business decisions and even worse leadership. DC and its fans should consider that MLB would be a boom to its city but is it really a bad thing that their city leadership is demanding some reasonable investment from the party wishing to do new business in their community?

It is not as cut and dry as it may seem. Remember I started this as a fan of a new stadium who been harden by the local team lining their pockets and disrespecting its customer who provided them their place of business. Time will tell if I still remain this way or not.

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[JamesCraven]

I just heard in the baseballindc web site that today (12/20) there will be a town hall meeting in which Ms. Crapp...er, Cropp, will have some 'splainin' to do about all this.

[DEAD!]

I just heard in the baseballindc web site that today (12/20) there will be a town hall meeting in which Ms. Crapp...er, Cropp, will have some 'splainin' to do about all this.

Well I heard about the meeting from the mayor himself on Fox News yesterday.

[CubsFanBudMan]

Looks like the Nationals are back in business... this just moved on the wire:

AP-BBN EXPOS WASHINGTON ADVISORY

Editors:

District of Columbia leaders have announced a baseball stadium financing agreement they say is acceptable to major league baseball.

A writethru to BC-BBN--Expos-Washington is upcoming.

AP Sports