Vegas Marlins?

[Joshawaggie]

Vegas Vipers

Las Vegas Death I believe there is a logo on that one already.

[Camden Crazy]

Take a page out of the XFL's short story book:

Las Vegas Outlaws.

[Telemundo219]

People, Las Vegas Aces! The name is good for the gambling reference and remember is doesnt have to be gambling (Aces- good pitchers. A baseball reference).

[FiddySicks]

People, Las Vegas Aces! The name is good for the gambling reference and remember is doesnt have to be gambling (Aces- good pitchers. A baseball reference).

Aces could also refer to Airplane Pilots.

I still think they should move to Sacramento though

[infrared41]

Sorry I didn't read all three pages so if this has already been suggested I apologize...

I humbly submit for your approval...

The Las Vegas Flyin' Elvises (sp?)

[powersurge]

Vegas is a great destination, and a great escape.  But that's it.  Despite the population boom, Las Vegas still derives an overwhelming amount of its revenue from the tourist trade.  Most people go there, stay a few days, and leave.  The transplants will bring their loyalties with them.  As most of the revenue comes from entertainment and hospitality, most of those jobs are shift work jobs (bartender, dealers, waitresses, entertainers, dancers, etc.), which means your in-town population base won't be able to attend every game.  So who's going to buy up those expensive season ticket packages?  Casinos may be able to comp a high roller with some club seats - but I can go to an MLB game whenever I like, as I live 10 miles from Citizens Bank Park.  Most people live a reasonable distance from their nearest MLB team, and I wouldn't want to waste a day in Vegas at a bad baseball game (Pirates @ Vegas? ) when I could be gambling, partying and otherwise enjoying Vegas for the reasons I go there.

For a comparison, check the Orlando Magic.  Another resort town where people go as a destination.  The Magic have been among the bottom 4 teams in NBA attendance the last 4 full seasons.  They're next to last this year.  Just because people flock somewhere as a destination doesn't mean it's suitable for major league sports.  Think about it.

I think you are generalizing. Making the statement that the GENERAL population won't be able to see a game because they are SHIFT workers shows that many people (including yourself) are stereotyping the population in Vegas as all SHIFT workers employed by the casinos. While the casinos do indeed provide thousands of jobs to the area, by no means are they the ONLY employers by a long shot. There are thousands and thousands of other jobs in that city.

They would have no problem selling season tickets because of the casinos buying them up and the rest of the population filling in the rest.

Yes, people who move into town already are fans of other teams. Thats obvious. But unlike you who can drive a short distance to lets say Cit. Bank Park, they can't. So if their fav team the Phillies are in town for a weekend series don't you think they'd go? Of course, why not? You're making it seem like the only people that go out and spend money in Vegas are the tourists. Thousands of people LIVE there permemantly. They need to go somewhere other than the casinos and whore houses...well atleast the casinos.

As for your Orlando point. Although you make a good point about why that franchise fails in drawing attendance, by no means has that small town ever had close to the boom that Vegas is having. We would be comparing apples to oranges in that situation.

I still don't think the Marlins are going to Vegas. I think they'll stay in Florida, get their stadium and do sos by using Vegas and Puerto Rico as a scare tactic. If they did go anywhere I would think it would be San Juan. They'd make a killing there. It would be perfect for baseball because of the growing popularity and dominance of latin players.

[DrBear]

San Juan barely turned out enough people to work for the Expos when it was obviously being looked at for a site. Forget it.

Vegas has the casino money behind it, but there are too many options. The only reason to put the team there is for the inevitable every few years implosion of the old stadium.

After that, where? Portland, Charlotte, Buffalo?

The only thing that makes sense is a third team in the New York-New Jersey area. The population would support it and "New Jersey's team" would have a built-in large fan base. It would also have the advantage of cutting into the large amount of TV money the Yanks and Mets get, leveling the playing field

Which is why, of course, it won't happen.

[Cujo]

The best nickname I've seen here so far has been the Aces and the Scorpions a close second.

I'll throw a few others into play here...

Las Vegas Hustlers

Las Vegas Snake Eyes

Nevada Dam Baseball Club

[IceCap]

personally i like scorpions. if done right it could look very classy.

[gbasalmon]

San Juan barely turned out enough people to work for the Expos when it was obviously being looked at for a site. Forget it.

Vegas has the casino money behind it, but there are too many options. The only reason to put the team there is for the inevitable every few years implosion of the old stadium.

After that, where? Portland, Charlotte, Buffalo?

The only thing that makes sense is a third team in the New York-New Jersey area. The population would support it and "New Jersey's team" would have a built-in large fan base. It would also have the advantage of cutting into the large amount of TV money the Yanks and Mets get, leveling the playing field

Which is why, of course, it won't happen.

Heh, Buffalo, that's funny...

That literally has a snowball's chance in hell of happening...

[djqman69]

Las Vegas is the fastest growing cities in the United States, if it doesn't have a major pro sports team soon, it will eventually. The fact of the matter is, Las Vegas is STARVING for some major pro sports. They will have something, probably sooner than you think. I think the NBA would do great there considering the strong history of the UNLV squads. Baseball, however, in a city with that many distractions wouldn't be as flashy or glamorous as basketball. And Las Vegas Magic and Las Vegas Kings are just good names.

As for a name, I would LOVE to see a rebirth of the XFL name Outlaws, because after you get rid of the Gambling and Mafia references, that's the only one that sticks out.

As for attendance, I haven't heard anything that bad about the Las Vegas Gladiators attendance, plus they did host the ArenaBowl last year and will this year. I could be wrong, but I'm sure the Gladiators will be there for a long time.

[BJ Sands]

This is semi-off topic, but I think that any team name will start with "Vegas." For some reason,

"Las Vegas Aces" doesn't sound as good as "Vegas Aces." Definitely won't start with "Nevada."

[tommytimp]

That'd be up to the state legislature when and if it happens.

How about the Las Vegas Lousy Vacations? Too long? At least it's alliterative.

And the 1990 National champion Runnin' Rebels team was a pro team, literally and figuratively, I'd bet.

[powersurge]

I still like the Las Vegas Whores.

funny.

W - H- O - R - E - S

Whores! Whores! Whores!

or something...

[The_Admiral]

I don't mind basketball in Vegas so much, but Nevada is no place for baseball in the dog days of summer.

[chrimart]

(1-5 all have teams)

6. Miami

(7 through 12 all have teams)

13 (Largest without team). The "Inland Empire": San Bernadino, Riverside and Ontario, California.

(14 through 19 all have teams)

20 (2nd largest without team). San Juan, Puerto Rico

(21 through 25 all have teams)

26 (3rd largest without team). Portland, Oregon area

(27, Kansas City, does not have a Major League Team, but the Royals are supposedly a member of Major League Baseball, so I guess KC does have a team)

28 (4th largest without a team). Sacramento Area

29 (5th largest without a team). San Jose (CA) Area

30 (6th largest without a team). San Antonio Area

31 (7th Largest without a team). Orlando area

32 (8th largest without a team).Columbus area

33 (9th without a team). Providence (RI) Area

34 (10th without a team). Virginia Beach-Norfolk

Montreal is just ahead of San Bernandino Empire in 13th place...

Montreal is a decent market for pro sports.

Bad management, fan anger and bad stadium politics have killed the Expos.

MLB will, one day, recognize that!

[winghaz]

How 'bout the Las Vegas He Hate Mes?

[djqman69]

I don't mind basketball in Vegas so much, but Nevada is no place for baseball in the dog days of summer.

Yeah, that would be fun, a full-body baseball jersey/pants/socks in 120 degree desert heat. I'm pretty sure that would kill some of those overweight pitchers, and Barry Bonds.

Also, chrimart, the size of a city is only one factor that goes into determining areas for expansion/relocation. Montreal is not neccesarily a place where baseball is that important. And if a sport or the team aren't important to the city, then no one will attend the games if the team is loosing. Hence the the downfall of the Expos. Montreal is a Hockey market. Period. Plus, with the way Montreal ran the Expos out of town, there is not a franchise owner or league that would even THINK about moving a team there for a good decade or so. So don't expect anything more than hockey for a while (Though that isn't such a bad thing).

As for Las Vegas, I think they would have a hard time getting good attendance 80-some times a year in a 40,000 seat stadium, especially during the hottest months.

A 15,000 seat arena 40 times a year in a basketball market, on the other hand, is a pretty safe bet.

[The_Admiral]

Two things: San Bernardino-Riverside is officially Dodger/Angel territory, and I think it's treated as greater LA, so take it off the list for this

Also, baseball could've worked in Montreal but the league made sure it wouldn't

[jkrdevil]

Exactly. The Meadowlands idea is a joke. Couldn't work.

If we're talking about another New York team, only Brooklyn could support them.

I have to disagree somewhat with that. I don't think a 3rd New York area would be successful. I don't think Brooklyn could support a MLB team. The Dodgers moved close to 50 years ago. People who were around then and remember the team are now in there 70's past retirement. They aren't going to be your ticket buyers. People in there 50's were little kids when the Dodgers moved; the Mets came shortly after that so they probably are lifetime Met Fans. Anyone under 48 years old wasn't even alive when the Dodgers moved and are probably also Met Fans (I say Mets because Brooklyn is more of a Mets area than Yankee). I don't think these fans would switch from Mets to a new team.

Same thing goes for Northern New Jersey. There it is mostly Yankees and there is no way people are going to switch from a Yankees team that contends every year to a new team that just basically who is trading away a bulk of their players and is rebuilding. When the Devils moved it took them 20 years and that was with a bad Rangers team there in the 80's. Put a baseball team there with a great Yankees team and the team has no chance. And if you the Yankees are bad now with signing players just think if there is a New Jersey team that basically invades Yankee Territory.

The only reason Northern New Jersey is being considered is because of population and because it's an affluent suburban area much like DC. Plus, Loria is from New York and would probably love to have his team in the area. But there is no way a team gets there, the Yankees will block.