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How do you get Dukes from Conquistadores?

In the case of Albuquerque, New Mexico, the city was founded by conquistadores and named in honor of the 10th Duke of Alburquerque, viceroy of New Spain. Hence, the somewhat tenuous connection.

Yeh, tenuous connection, but a nod to the team's namesake nonetheless.

Related question-- If it wasn't the Padres, then wasn't the Dukes the affiliate of the Dodgers? For some queer reason I've always gotten them mixed up... :(

They were a Dodgers affiliate throughout their existence.

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I understand, and I may be wrong so correct me if so, that Jacksonville is the largest city in Florida. Would a Marlins move from Miami to Jacksonville be viable?

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I understand, and I may be wrong so correct me if so, that Jacksonville is the largest city in Florida. Would a Marlins move from Miami to Jacksonville be viable?

Have you seen Alltel Stadium during a Jags game?

Let's put it this way...if you can't come close to a sellout of a NFL game with a good team, it doesn't speak well of your market's ability to support another franchise.

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I understand, and I may be wrong so correct me if so, that Jacksonville is the largest city in Florida. Would a Marlins move from Miami to Jacksonville be viable?

By God, you're right. I couldn't believe this, but it's 100% correct.

Jacksonville is the largest city in the US in terms of area. It occupies nearly all the land in Duval County. Additionally, it is the largest city by population (over 770,000) in Florida - which would make it the 3rd largest city on the East Coast after New York and Philadelphia. However, its metro area is very small - 1.3 million, which would rank 58th in the US.

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Given Jacksonville's track record with the NFL, I highly doubt it.

They've been nothing less than a disaster in the NFL. I don't think they've shown they could support a MLB club.

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How about market # 41... Harrisburg :D

Just kidding of course, but it goes to show you that as much as people like to try to sell Las Vegas as "the fastest growing city", the metro area remains quite small, and is decades away from actually being a viable destination for major sports franchises. \

In addition, is Las Vegas a baseball town? There has to be a history of faithful hardball fans in a market as well as a strong regional identification by its residents for a franchise to succeed.

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Just kidding of course, but it goes to show you that as much as people like to try to sell Las Vegas as "the fastest growing city", the metro area remains quite small, and is decades away from actually being a viable destination for major sports franchises. \

In addition, is Las Vegas a baseball town? There has to be a history of faithful hardball fans in a market as well as a strong regional identification by its residents for a franchise to succeed.

I think if they got a sports franchise in Las Vegas the casinos would quickly snag up the season seats and suites to use as incentive for their customers. Between that, the locals, and the constant stream of tourist and conventioneers, they should sell a decent ammount of seats. They would probably be better off with a basketball, football, or maybe a hockey team, but a baseball team could work provided there's plenty of shade in the stadium.

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Montreal?

One could only hope. That city could support a team and did so for years until mismanagement turned the fanbase off (and who could blame the fans?)

That downtown ballpark that was floated around was absolutely gorgeous and would have fit well with an already beautiful city.

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Instead of teams in Tampa and Miami, MLB should have put one team in a new stadium in central Florida and been done with it. Instead, they put failures in bad, old stadiums in areas ripe with sports apathy. The "baseball crazed" in South Florida couldn't afford a ticket to a Marlins game. The residents of Tampa get their fill with spring training and have no desire to go INSIDE on a beautiful Florida day to watch a bad baseball team. It was doomed from the start.

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The residents of Tampa get their fill with spring training and have no desire to go INSIDE on a beautiful Florida day to watch a bad baseball team.

but u c it rainz alot so they need teh roof!

With a purported average of some 360 days of sunshine each year, it is nicknamed "The Sunshine City."

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Of course, if the Marlins did move, and a guy named Marlin bought the team, they could still keep that name. :P

(I know, that was bad, but I couldn't resist.)

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You could keep the wildcard or only let division winners in the playoffs.

Only let division winners in the playoffs.

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Montreal?

One could only hope. That city could support a team and did so for years until mismanagement turned the fanbase off (and who could blame the fans?)

That downtown ballpark that was floated around was absolutely gorgeous and would have fit well with an already beautiful city.

Not to mention Jeffrey Loria who owns the Marlins was the guy who failed miserably with the 'Spos. Won't happen. They'll likely move to San Antonio. How about the San Antonio Banditos?

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Here's a dose of reality.

There is nowhere for any sports franchises to re-locate to.

All through the 90's Tampa was used as a threat by the Mariners, and the Giants and the White Sox.

So, they gave Tampa a team, and...... it's failing.

Now everyone's screaming, San Antonio! Portland! Norfolk?!

Please.

They are all just future Tampas

Washington D.C was the last viable market for baseball.

St.Louis and San Diego are really all the NBA could possibly do.

The NHL needs to contract not expand.

and the NFL just wants a team in L.A and they are done.

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I would tend to agree.

As much as I personally would like to see a MLB team in Portland, I don't know that it's a viable market.

And the others proposed are absurd on their faces.

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I can't think of a single major city underserved by professional sports. Los Angeles, Chicago and New York can handle multiple teams in multiple sports, but seems really to be about it. Can you see Portland, OR housing the Blazers AND the Marlins? San Antonio with the Spurs AND the Marlins? I can't.

I think revenue sharing could help a professional team in a one-sport town, like the Packers, or even the Jaguars (who at least win more games than they lose). The Kings do okay in the NBA, and the salary cap probably helps that.

But MLB requires a big city with people motivated to come to games. Revenue sharing in baseball is such a joke -- so much so that A-Rod makes more than the Florida Marlins. Unless teams can count on a consistent revenue source to stay afloat (like in the NFL), baseball is the least attractive sport a city can hope to attract. There is just too much potential for a very bad fit for a new stadium that may become superfluous.

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Here's a dose of reality.

There is nowhere for any sports franchises to re-locate to.

All through the 90's Tampa was used as a threat by the Mariners, and the Giants and the White Sox.

So, they gave Tampa a team, and...... it's failing.

Now everyone's screaming, San Antonio! Portland! Norfolk?!

Please.

They are all just future Tampas

That has more to do with Vince Naimoli and the Devil Rays than Tampa Bay itself, I think. They wouldn't fail if they had Barry Bonds in town.

I still stand by my belief that Norfolk would be a great location for baseball. It's certainly large enough. Virginia Beach is one of the biggest suburbs in America. All of those people are unserved by major league sports. The Washington teams don't really serve the whole state of Virginia, and the Charlotte teams don't get that far either. It's a 1.5 million-person void that should be filled.

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The Rays never had decent support, even before Naimoli's incompetence was evident.

It's a very sad state of affairs these days when the only sellout a brand-new team can muster is the first game. :rolleyes:

Naimoli is a convenient scapegoat, but at its heart the problem isn't him at all. It's with the fanbase.

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In hindsight, it's would have been a disaster had the Giants actually moved to Tampa as they were thisclose to doing so.

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In hindsight, it's would have been a disaster had the Giants actually moved to Tampa as they were thisclose to doing so.

Weren't they going to be called the St.Pete Giants? I seem to remember a picture of a cap (and maybe a uniform) making the rounds.Anyone have those?

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