speedy Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 But hasn't Phil had to deal with more competition? How many teams were in the league during Red's time? And how restrictive were contracts?It seems like making a good team and keeping a good team together are harder now. And wasn't Russell on something like all of Red's teams? Phil has won championships with four completely different teams. I think that means something, doesn't it?I don't know that I have a dog in this race, but I tend to think that based on the level of athlete and competition, whatever current era we're in is generally better and more talented than previous eras. To me, Phil Jackson has accomplished more than Red Auerbach as coach of a team.Russell left the Celtics bitterly after he retired and went to Seattle. He was "present" for 11 of the 16 championships. Don't forget however Red won titles with 3 different generations of players. To me in all honesty the deciding factor is that Red built teams, Phil coached 'em. As a coach? Sure you could have a serious discussion about Jackson being number 1. As an all around basketball god, if you will, no there's no debate. It's Auerbach.And Shaq just reminded me...Adam Morrison has a ring now. Wow.How's my ass taste, JJ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProvidenceRI Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 I guess this officially pushes Jackson above Auerbach for the greatest coach of all time, huh?I'm afraid not.NBA coaches are just babysitters. Players now win championships. Look at Doc Rivers. 2 years ago he looked like the worst coach in the league. They get KG and Ray Allen and he is considered one of the top 3?I never saw Red coach. But I have watched Phil coach for 20+ years, and while I think he does a good job, he has never "wowed" me. He has had MJ, Pippen, Kobe and Shaq on his team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbreadmann Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 But hasn't Phil had to deal with more competition? How many teams were in the league during Red's time? And how restrictive were contracts?It seems like making a good team and keeping a good team together are harder now. And wasn't Russell on something like all of Red's teams? Phil has won championships with four completely different teams. I think that means something, doesn't it?I don't know that I have a dog in this race, but I tend to think that based on the level of athlete and competition, whatever current era we're in is generally better and more talented than previous eras. To me, Phil Jackson has accomplished more than Red Auerbach as coach of a team.Yep, that's all true. I mean, he had Jordan or Kobe (often as well as Shaq or Pippen) for all of them, which is probably equal to having Russell/Cousy/whoever for all of them. It's near impossible to compare playing talent across eras, IMO, so I won't make any sort of claim. I tend to agree with Speedy about the patriarchal aspect, plus, even though there were fewer teams in the 60s, he won EIGHT in a row and NINE in ten years. To me that is just unmatchable and a dealbreaker. Then he retired early one year later for the good of the franchise in his eyes. There's no way to ever settle this absolutely, like Bonds vs. Ruth, etc., but that's just my opinion. (but I'm a Celtics fan so I'm biased anyway.) There are many aspects in which Phil is more impressive and there are several aspects where Red is more impressive. It's all opinion I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 I guess this officially pushes Jackson above Auerbach for the greatest coach of all time, huh?I'm afraid not.NBA coaches are just babysitters. Players now win championships. Look at Doc Rivers. 2 years ago he looked like the worst coach in the league. They get KG and Ray Allen and he is considered one of the top 3?I never saw Red coach. But I have watched Phil coach for 20+ years, and while I think he does a good job, he has never "wowed" me. He has had MJ, Pippen, Kobe and Shaq on his team.The fact he was able to hold such alpha dog personalities sufficiently in check and keep them focused on winning is rather impressive in my book. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew22 Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Even though a lot of people don't like Kobe, I do. I'm glad he got a ring on his own. Congrats Kobe. Congrats to all the Lakers, besides Adam Morrison. He didn't do . Eagles/Heels/Dawgs/Falcons/Hawks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HedleyLamarr Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Maybe I just tuned in at the wrong time, but that 4th quarter looked unexciting. No sort of atmosphere in the arena.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJMorris3 Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 And y'all doubted me when I said the Western Conference team would win this series easily. Puh-leeze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbreadmann Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 And y'all doubted me when I said the Western Conference team would win this series easily. Puh-leeze.Yeah guys. Who do you think you are, questioning Will? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 And y'all doubted me when I said the Western Conference team would win this series easily. Puh-leeze.You also had Cleveland sweeping Orlando. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAD! Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 I'd say Phil's greatest coaching achievement was when he took that 03/04 team to the Finals. I read his book on that season, and that was a CRAZY ass locker room. It's a miracle that he could coach that team up with all the ego and dysfunction on that team that year.And Shaq just reminded me...Adam Morrison has a ring now. Wow. He's this year's Darko! I saw, I came, I left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoopskid Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 He's this year's Darko!Darko actually stepped on the court to play for a few minutes in the finals. Morrison hasn't played a second with the lakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cujo Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Props to the Lakers on yet another world championship. Yeah, they got damn lucky when Orlando knocked off C-Town in the ECF, but nonetheless, it's banner No. 15 for the Lake-Show. I would have to say this pretty much solidifies Kobe as the single best player of this decade.As a sidenote, it's sucks that Mark Madsen won't be participating in the Lakers' championship rally this time around. I think everyone's gotta be a bit vexed about this, which could explain the rioting in L.A. this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigga Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 And y'all doubted me when I said the Western Conference team would win this series easily. Puh-leeze.You said an easy sweep. You were wrong. You don't get partial credit.Try again next year. On January 16, 2013 at 3:49 PM, NJTank said: Btw this is old hat for Notre Dame. Knits Rockne made up George Tip's death bed speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFoA Posted June 15, 2009 Author Share Posted June 15, 2009 And y'all doubted me when I said the Western Conference team would win this series easily. Puh-leeze.You said an easy sweep. You were wrong. You don't get partial credit.Try again next year.Surely you know he would've said the same thing had the Lakers won in 7, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew22 Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 He's this year's Darko!Darko actually stepped on the court to play for a few minutes in the finals. Morrison hasn't played a second with the lakers.He played for them in a few regular season games. Eagles/Heels/Dawgs/Falcons/Hawks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMU Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 He's this year's Darko!Darko actually stepped on the court to play for a few minutes in the finals. Morrison hasn't played a second with the lakers.He played for them in a few regular season games.Although it was more than awkward for him to be wearing the hat and spraying the champagne while wearing a suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrySmalls Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 He's this year's Darko!Darko actually stepped on the court to play for a few minutes in the finals. Morrison hasn't played a second with the lakers.He played for them in a few regular season games.Although it was more than awkward for him to be wearing the hat and spraying the champagne while wearing a suit.And one day he'll tell his grandkids that he won an NBA Championship and soaked Kobe with some champagne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 He's this year's Darko!Darko actually stepped on the court to play for a few minutes in the finals. Morrison hasn't played a second with the lakers.He played for them in a few regular season games.Although it was more than awkward for him to be wearing the hat and spraying the champagne while wearing a suit.And one day he'll tell his grandkids that he won an NBA Championship and soaked Kobe with some champagne. Or he could do what Brian Scalabrine is gonna do and just tell his grandkids that he was the hero of the Finals. Not like they'll know the difference anyway On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFoA Posted June 16, 2009 Author Share Posted June 16, 2009 He's this year's Darko!Darko actually stepped on the court to play for a few minutes in the finals. Morrison hasn't played a second with the lakers.He played for them in a few regular season games.Although it was more than awkward for him to be wearing the hat and spraying the champagne while wearing a suit.And one day he'll tell his grandkids that he won an NBA Championship and soaked Kobe with some champagne. Or he could do what Brian Scalabrine is gonna do and just tell his grandkids that he was the hero of the Finals. Not like they'll know the difference anyway "And then, after I hit the game-winner at the end of game five over a fallen JJ Reddick, I celebrated by looking down on him, asking him to "Tell me how my mustache tastes," and then jumped up and down with Kobe Bryant and the rest of his fellow benchwarmers. Ahhhh, those were the days." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still MIGHTY Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Props to the Lakers on yet another world championship. Yeah, they got damn lucky when Orlando knocked off C-Town in the ECF, but nonetheless, it's banner No. 15 for the Lake-Show. I would have to say this pretty much solidifies Kobe as the single best player of this decade.As a sidenote, it's sucks that Mark Madsen won't be participating in the Lakers' championship rally this time around. I think everyone's gotta be a bit vexed about this, which could explain the rioting in L.A. this morning. There was talk on LA Sports Radio today that the Lakers should sign him to a one-day contract just to be in the parade.They were also joking that they would pay the salary, and that they really need him because it's not like Adam Morrison will do it lol. | ANA | LAA | LAR | LAL | ASU | CSULB | USMNT | USWNT | LAFC | OCSC | MAN UTD | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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