BlackBolt3 Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 13 minutes ago, dfwabel said: But their upcoming issue is twofold. How many subscribers can they realistically expect come 2019 and how much will ESPN load up basketball on the channel to force the conference's three eastern states (NY, PA, MA) to add the channel on the basic tier. Clay made some good points, but forgot about the importance of hoops for the northeast members. The success and longevity of the ACC Network is much related to the digital platform that launches this year. If it what I expect it to be, a Netflix/Watch ESPN type service with live events and some original programming, it will most likely be a hit, and if (when) the cable bubble bursts, outlast the cable network. In terms of the linear platform, I believe there is enough of a widespread alumni network and fan base across the conference to be able to gain a healthy number of subscribers, especially if you factor ND into the equation. I figure, if the PAC 12 Network can get its 7 networks across the country without being attached to a major sports provider, ESPN should be able the do the same with the ACC Network, much like the SEC Network. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burmy Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 I get how the ACC's deal ensures no teams will leave...but I don't see how it ensures no new teams will join... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 7 minutes ago, MBurmy said: I get how the ACC's deal ensures no teams will leave...but I don't see how it ensures no new teams will join... I don't think you're going to sell looting the Bill the Cat Conference to Tobacco Road. Quote On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twi Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Read the column in the paper today about USF potentially going to the Big12. I'm way out of date with college football knowledge, how likely is it that they make that change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayMac Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 12 hours ago, twi said: Read the column in the paper today about USF potentially going to the Big12. I'm way out of date with college football knowledge, how likely is it that they make that change? I'd say they are somewhat of a longshot. They do have the Florida pipeline working in their favor, along with UCF. However, schools like BYU, Houston, Cincinnati are probably much more attractive to the Big 12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBGKon Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 UCF and USF also hold 2 large media markets not in the Big XII footprint...Tampa is #11 and Orlando is #19 (per link below). Houston is larger, but is already in the Texas footprint. http://www.newsgeneration.com/broadcast-resources/top-100-radio-markets/ I say if the conference expands to 12 they're out (probably Cincy and either Houston or BYU), but if they go 14 they're in with UCF as a tandem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 23 minutes ago, AstroBull21 said: UCF and USF also hold 2 large media markets not in the Big XII footprint...Tampa is #11 and Orlando is #19 (per link below). Houston is larger, but is already in the Texas footprint.. http://www.newsgeneration.com/broadcast-resources/top-100-radio-markets/ I say if the conference expands to 12 they're out (probably Cincy and either Houston or BYU), but if they go 14 they're in with UCF as a tandem. The size of the TV markets really don't matters as only BYU moves the proverbial needle. The Big XII will take the lowest bidders so the existing ten members get more money. Neither the MWC nor The American distributes more than $11M total to an individual member school, so taking just say $11M/year for football and the a normal pool of CFP and NCAA distributions will still be a net positive for any G5 candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew22 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 On 7/23/2016 at 7:28 PM, BlackBolt3 said: The success and longevity of the ACC Network is much related to the digital platform that launches this year. If it what I expect it to be, a Netflix/Watch ESPN type service with live events and some original programming, it will most likely be a hit, and if (when) the cable bubble bursts, outlast the cable network. In terms of the linear platform, I believe there is enough of a widespread alumni network and fan base across the conference to be able to gain a healthy number of subscribers, especially if you factor ND into the equation. I figure, if the PAC 12 Network can get its 7 networks across the country without being attached to a major sports provider, ESPN should be able the do the same with the ACC Network, much like the SEC Network. The digital platform is going to be ESPN3/WatchESPN content rebranded with the ACC Network logo. No different than what's already on those platforms. Would be shocked if there is any original programming. Quote Eagles/Heels/Dawgs/Falcons/Hawks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pianoknight Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 10 hours ago, dfwabel said: The size of the TV markets really don't matters as only BYU moves the proverbial needle. The Big XII will take the lowest bidders so the existing ten members get more money. Neither the MWC nor The American distributes more than $11M total to an individual member school, so taking just say $11M/year for football and the a normal pool of CFP and NCAA distributions will still be a net positive for any G5 candidate. Exactly. This move is about self-preservation and really, preserving Texas and Oklahoma's path to the playoffs. Let's be honest, there are no nationally-relevant teams that want into the Big XII (sorry Snyder) and by adding little fish the existing teams just cut their pie smaller. This isn't Delaney scooping up Nebraska or the SEC courting College Station. This is purely about preserving the Texlahoma kingdom and making the conference relevant in the big money playoff world. Just look at how hard they backpedaled on all that "one true champion" crap when they tried to shoehorn in BOTH Baylor and TCU. It bit them in the ass and they realized that 12+ is the magic number for entry. Quote 5th in NAT. TITLES | 2nd in CONF. TITLES | 5th in HEISMAN | 7th in DRAFTS | 8th in ALL-AMER | 7th in WINS | 4th in BOWLS | 1st in SELLOUTS | 1st GAMEDAY SIGN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted July 27, 2016 Author Share Posted July 27, 2016 On 07/25/2016 at 9:43 PM, pianoknight said: Exactly. This move is about self-preservation and really, preserving Texas and Oklahoma's path to the playoffs. Let's be honest, there are no nationally-relevant teams that want into the Big XII (sorry Snyder) and by adding little fish the existing teams just cut their pie smaller. This isn't Delaney scooping up Nebraska or the SEC courting College Station. This is purely about preserving the Texlahoma kingdom and making the conference relevant in the big money playoff world. Just look at how hard they backpedaled on all that "one true champion" crap when they tried to shoehorn in BOTH Baylor and TCU. It bit them in the ass and they realized that 12+ is the magic number for entry. No conference has bungled more than the Big XII (Dan Beebe or not). Heck, Beebe wasn't in charge when Louisville was rejected, Chuck Neinas was the Commissioner who apparently let WV senator Rockerfeller even overpower Mitch McConnell. Plus, Neinas' wife is Patricia Pacey, who a runs an economics consulting firm gave Cincinnati a free analysis too. Big XII found the loophole in their contracts with ESPN and FOX, so they will use it to the great financial benefit of the existing ten schools and NOT for any additions. ESPN/FOX must pay the conference $25M for each new school, but the new schools will never see a full share under this contract. That's how the Big XII membership is getting over. Big XII is playing companies as much as they are playing the respective universities. Memphis (FedEx) BYU is the LDS Church Cincinnati (Macy's, Kroger, possibly P&G) Houston (Landry's Restaurants aka Tilman Fertitta; not his third cousins..the former UFC and current UNLV donors) UCF's athletic benefactor is local beer distributor, Wayne Densch. USF's benefactors are car dealers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2001mark Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 I just figured the Florida schools' value should be graded by recruiting potential as much as tv ratings. 1 Quote @2001mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted July 27, 2016 Author Share Posted July 27, 2016 (edited) 4 hours ago, 2001mark said: I just figured the Florida schools' value should be graded by recruiting potential as much as tv ratings. Folks dont watch UCF and USF on TV and those kids/families know TV is simple to see their kid. While both are housed in top 20 markets with emerging alumni bases neither command their markets. Florida and FSU do and always will. USF also has an academic scandal ready to ignite I under hoops too. Edited July 27, 2016 by dfwabel USF cager academics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pianoknight Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 UCF and USF face an uphill battle into the Power 5, IMO. The SEC has been clear they don't want to expand within their existing footprint, so UCF/USC bring nothing that the Gators haven't given them already. The SEC would likely chase after states/regions like North Carolina, Virginia or Oklahoma before doubling down on lesser Florida teams. The ACC might be slightly more favorable, but they would always be 3rd and 4th fiddle to the Canes and Noles. The Big Ten doesn't want 'em, academically or otherwise The Pac-12 makes absolutely zero sense. Nothing like a "Pacific" conference having schools who border the Atlantic and Gulf. The Big XII is their only legitimate option. Quote 5th in NAT. TITLES | 2nd in CONF. TITLES | 5th in HEISMAN | 7th in DRAFTS | 8th in ALL-AMER | 7th in WINS | 4th in BOWLS | 1st in SELLOUTS | 1st GAMEDAY SIGN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTknight Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 I still dont want the Big XII to expand. Nobody they could add would make the conference better money wise. I also think it would be just fine if they stuck with 10 teams and a championship game. Althlugh I dont like the championship game either since it could harm a teams chances just as much as it could help them. Although if the conference blew up i could see KU in the Big XII and K-State in the AAC. Which I would be happy with so whatever... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgiff17 Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 BYU and Houston are the only choices that make sense. BYU is always tough and have the stadium. Houston has been tough in the last decade and would never have had down years if it were in the big xii. They loss art briles and RG3 with him then Kevin sumlin...those two guys especially art would not have left if Houston was in a P5. TCU got lucky that their coach didn't split for big money and stayed the course till they got back to a big conference. The more Cougars the better I've always said! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBGKon Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 The question remains do they go to 12 or 14 like the other big boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadragon76 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 I say 12 personally. With the Pac 12 at 12 teams, at least the Big 12 would have enough members to have a championship game. Not to mention that the name would finally make sense! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted August 1, 2016 Author Share Posted August 1, 2016 39 minutes ago, AstroBull21 said: The question remains do they go to 12 or 14 like the other big boys. Both ESPN and FOX are on to their cash grab scheme. They may fight it out with the conference. http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2016/08/01/Media/Big-12-TV.aspx? Quote If the networks, both of which have encountered some financial challenges in the last year with cutbacks and subscriber losses, decided to staunchly challenge the contracts, they could simply not pay the increases and force the conference to take them to court. ESPN and Fox would argue that the move to expand and charge the TV networks more money does not reflect the spirit of the original deals, which were signed four years ago. The conference, of course, can fall back on its contracts, which spell out pro rata increases. Another option would be to go along with the increases now and not support the Big 12 in 2025, when the grant of rights and the TV deals expire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueYankee26 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 I want to see UConn, ECU, Memphis, Houston go to the Big 12. Quote trueyankee26.wordpress.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted August 9, 2016 Author Share Posted August 9, 2016 Earlier today, FS1's Stewart Mandel reported that 25 LGBT advocacy groups co-signed a letter to the Big XII Commissioner to ask that BYU not be admitted to the conference. Less than an hour ago the official University of Houston Twitter feed posted this (spelling error included): The university followed up with this tweet, repeatedly: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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