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I was a big All Stars fan too. Man that rivalry we had with the Dayton Triangles. I used to have a banner hanging from my buggy when I would ride down main street with my horses trying to impress all those sexy flapper women. Then I would go to the local speakeasy for some bootlegged hooch. After games I would telegraph my friend a street over and then I would listen to the teams victory song on my phonograph. Polio was a problem in those days but we didn't care.

Ahhh memories.

I must say, GPO... I'm taken aback by your reminiscences. I considered you a cephalopod of good breeding... of wealth, honor and distinction. I had thought you an invertebrate with a taste for the finer things in life. Yet, here I find you waxing nostalgic over buggy-rides, bragging about your attempts to engage in flirtations with brash trollops, and trumpeting your consumption of intoxicating spirits in violation of Federal law. I learn that you were reduced to telegraphing friends and limited to listening to the St. Louis All-Stars' victory song on a phonograph. Egads, man!

In 1923 my father wouldn't have thought to travel the streets of St. Louis in anything but his chauffeur-driven Rolls-Royce Silver Ghost limousine... unless, of course, it was to take his newly-acquired Duesenberg Model A touring car for a spin. If you were unwilling to secure such a vehicle - or, Heaven forbid, incapable of purchasing a like conveyance - surely you could have traveled to your unseemly assignations on one of the public lorries operated by the People's Motorbus Company.

And am I to understand that your household lacked a telephone? Why, the moment American Telephone & Telegraph introduced the Bell System machine switching exchange in 1921, Father not only acquired several thousand additional shares of AT&T preferred stock, but he purchased four - FOUR! - Western Electric desk stand candlestick telephones for our family manse, as well. We made frequent use of them, too... well, so long as the family wasn't in the midst of a meal, or gathered in the parlor listening to our Radiola Grand.

Father was an absolute fanatic about tuning into the programming on the St. Louis Post-Dispatch's station, KSD. I have such vivid memories of him listening to the daily market reports, the newspaper folded in his lap and a wreath of cigar smoke circling above his head. In the evening, after dinner, he would call on Mother, Clarence, Rose, Lavinia and I to join him in availing ourselves of KSD's evening presentations - classical concerts performed by the St. Louis Symphony, popular music offered up by the likes of the Statler Hotel Orchestra or the St. Louis University Glee Club, elocution lessons and brief addresses, the late news report.

THOSE are memories, sir! As opposed to your recollections of apparent poverty and confirmed licentiousness!!!

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Just noticed the turf doesn't go all the way to the seating bowl in the Jones Dome. lol at Jones Dome. It's funny because it's not that it stops right at the NFL-mandated dotted lines, which might be understandable, it just comes up a couple feet short.

"Well, here's the new turf. Little space on the sides there, do you think we oughta--"

"nah, we're good"

"Are you sure? I mean, might as well finish the job and all, it's just a little bit m--"

"nah, we're good"

Reggie Bush doesn't think that is very funny:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PLmMVPtl3JM&feature=player_embedded

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As a former Rams fan here in St. Louis, this sucks. I don't see myself ever having a strong interest in the NFL ever again. I will actually be rooting for whoever is playing the Rams. Hopefully for LA fans Stan Kroenke and the NFL won't screw you guys over as much as he did St. Louis. The Rams will be missed here in St. Louis.

Pretty typical of them to leave as soon as they begin to get good too.

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Just noticed the turf doesn't go all the way to the seating bowl in the Jones Dome. lol at Jones Dome. It's funny because it's not that it stops right at the NFL-mandated dotted lines, which might be understandable, it just comes up a couple feet short.

"Well, here's the new turf. Little space on the sides there, do you think we oughta--"

"nah, we're good"

"Are you sure? I mean, might as well finish the job and all, it's just a little bit m--"

"nah, we're good"

Reggie Bush doesn't think that is very funny:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/11/08/reggie-bush-hires-lawyer-for-suit-against-st-louis/

Yeah, he may still be suing them for that very issue.

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Just noticed the turf doesn't go all the way to the seating bowl in the Jones Dome. lol at Jones Dome. It's funny because it's not that it stops right at the NFL-mandated dotted lines, which might be understandable, it just comes up a couple feet short.

"Well, here's the new turf. Little space on the sides there, do you think we oughta--"

"nah, we're good"

"Are you sure? I mean, might as well finish the job and all, it's just a little bit m--"

"nah, we're good"

Reggie Bush doesn't think that is very funny:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PLmMVPtl3JM&feature=player_embedded

Well, gee, now that I see that this happened, I find this turf issue utterly ridiculous. That took the fun out of everything.

If the CVC can spring for a few more yards of turf so that people don't run onto a concrete floor and crash into a wall, maybe the Bears and Chiefs could play each other in preseason games down there for a couple years, kinda make a half-hearted gesture to the market. Games there drew road fans really well, so imagine if games had two of them!

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No, I lost my favorite NFL team to Baltimore. I was more invested in the original Browns than any team I've ever followed. And it ain't even close.

EDIT: And I'm going to throw this in here too - us original Browns fans were the best fans in football. Period. B)

Same here. The day the Browns move was announced ended my days of being a sports fan - not a fan of the Browns, but a fan of any team, anywhere, in any sport. Because it dawned on me that pulling for a professional team's success is really no different than hoping a corporation has a successful fiscal quarter. I've not had a truly heartfelt interest in any team... never felt that adrenaline pump as a key moment was unfolding, since.

And to be honest? I don't miss it. Now I follow sports as a business enterprise, as an observer and sometimes low-level participant (buying a share of the Packers, primarily so I can occasionally get them to send me information I want but which, because I'm a shareholder, they're not legally entitled to refuse me; or the Indians or Celtics when they were public; the Saskatchewan Roughriders, etc.) It's actually more interesting to me now, looking at it in a dispassionate sense.

That said, I feel badly for Rams fans in St. Louis. I spent my morning listening to KMOX however, and judging by the people who were calling in? I think they're going to be just fine.

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This question probably isn't going to win me any fans, but I'm going to ask it anyway...

To all the St. Louis Rams fans - I understand that you're upset because your team is moving back to Los Angeles. My question is this - did it ever bother you that Los Angeles Rams fans had to lose their NFL team in order for you to get one? I'm not trying to be a jerk or rub it in, etc., I'm seriously asking because back when the Browns left, there was talk of Cleveland getting a relocated team. My thinking back then was I'd never root for a team that relocated to Cleveland. It just didn't seem right to be as upset as we were over losing the Browns and then end up rooting for a team that would have basically done the same thing to it's fanbase that the Browns had done to us.

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LA Rams fans, did it ever bother you that you had to steal a team from Cleveland? I understand that wasn't the last time Cleveland lost a team, but it had to sting.

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This question probably isn't going to win me any fans, but I'm going to ask it anyway...

To all the St. Louis Rams fans - I understand that you're upset because your team is moving back to Los Angeles. My question is this - did it ever bother you that Los Angeles Rams fans had to lose their NFL team in order for you to get one? I'm not trying to be a jerk or rub it in, etc., I'm seriously asking because back when the Browns left, there was talk of Cleveland getting a relocated team. My thinking back then was I'd never root for a team that relocated to Cleveland. It just didn't seem right to be as upset as we were over losing the Browns and then end up rooting for a team that would have basically done the same thing to it's fanbase that the Browns had done to us.

This is actually a really good question... any Ravens fans old enough to have been upset by the Colts can chime in too.

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LA Rams fans, did it ever bother you that you had to steal a team from Cleveland? I understand that wasn't the last time Cleveland lost a team, but it had to sting.

The NFL had about 37 fans when the Rams left Cleveland. I doubt anyone from Cleveland even noticed the Rams were gone. It's a little different today. :rolleyes: Your Spartans did a nice job against Alabama in the playoff, BTW.

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I was a kid at the time so it didn't completely understand the concept of LA losing its team. Plus, it was still very early for the internet, and TV reports here in STL made it seem like no one really cared that Rams were leaving LA and that LA sports fans would be perfectly wine watching USC and the Lakers.

As for the city, they had just lost out on the expansion of not getting the Stallions. I think the city felt this was the only chance to get a team (and we were foolishly building the dome on spec) and if we wanted a team we had to take it. The joke was we'd have a great facility for tractor pulls if we didn't get a team. I also think some people felt it was "righting a wrong" from losing the football Cardinals.

Of course, if they had just built that damn dome a few years sooner we probably would still have the Cardinals and wouldn't be talking about a new stadium to replace the dome until the dome was at least paid for.

This article below claims Bidwell really didn't want to leave St. Louis, and if the city would have built the dome then he'd surely have signed a long-term lease with no "top tier" clause.

I will also still defend the dome itself. It really only needs bigger video boards, better lighting, outside windows (like Ford Field), and new seats. All of these issues were addressed with the CVC's second proposal, but again none of that mattered because of the wording of the lease.

The Edward Jones Dome is undoubtedly a better stadium than Tropicana Field, but St. Petersburg was smart enough to have an ironclad lease so the Rays are still there and probably will be there for the foreseeable future.

Now, as far as a new NFL team, I don't want to wish the sadness I feel now on another city so the only way I would want a team is either: 1. expansion or 2. a team basically having to move because stadium literally falling apart (which could apply to Raiders but don't see that happening and am not hoping for it to happen).

http://www.101sports.com/2016/01/11/stark-contrast-losing-rams-2016-losing-cardinals-1988/

I'm mostly upset because I feel like since I moved back to STL in summer 2014 it's been one crappy thing after another around here (Ferguson, Mizzou protests, flooding last month, Rams moving, Cardinals cheating scandal). And I have no friends here, no dating prospects, and may have made a mistake in moving here in the first place.

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LA Rams fans, did it ever bother you that you had to steal a team from Cleveland? I understand that wasn't the last time Cleveland lost a team, but it had to sting.

I hate this argument because of how idiotic it is. It doesn't take to genius to understand that the dynamics of pro football have changed since the end of WWII and the social impact of losing a team back in the 40's (when most of the league was constantly moving teams around anyways) is much different than it was in the 90's and how it is today.

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So home games for the L.A. Rams will be Arizona, San Francisco, Seattle, Atlanta, Carolina, the Giants, Buffalo, and Miami. Which game gets kicked to London? I'm guessing divisional games and the Giants game stay stateside, probably gonna want those traveling hordes of Bills fans too, so probably one of the two NFC South games.

Also guessing the home slate is backloaded so that they play as many games as possible after USC's season wraps up.

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Oh, well, that's kinda stupid. I'd want the NY-LA game at home for national television.

Just read that the Rams are keeping their headquarters in St. Louis County until March. awkwaaaaarrrrrd.

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Week 1 2016: 49ers at Rams in the Coliseum

Hopefully, but it wouldn't surprise me if they do Seattle for Pete Carroll's first game back in the Coliseum.

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Oh, well, that's kinda stupid. I'd want the NY-LA game at home for national television.Just read that the Rams are keeping their headquarters in St. Louis County until March. awkwaaaaarrrrrd.

To be fair, it'll take a couple months to go real estate shopping and load up the United vans.

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They're playing the Giants in London next year.

Yeah - when the Eagles played the Giants in week 17, the stakes were that the winner went to Seattle while the loser went to London.

Oh, well, that's kinda stupid. I'd want the NY-LA game at home for national television.

Just read that the Rams are keeping their headquarters in St. Louis County until March. awkwaaaaarrrrrd.

So when can they start calling themselves the Los Angeles Rams officially? I'm a little surprised their site hadn't been updated and outlets like ESPN haven't changed the name yet.

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