Silent Wind of Doom Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 15 minutes ago, SCalderwood said: But that definitely looks like artificial turf, which means I don't think it could be any of those. Oops. I was going to immediately just check the records, since it's easy enough to find out, but just wanted to theorize based on the evidence. That's true, though. Metrodome that light back then? Or maybe an exhibition in one of the NL cookie-cutters. Lemme actually go check now. ...and now I see that the records only go to Opening Day, and there doesn't seem to be any information on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Silent Wind of Doom said: Huh... that's a weird color to do a memorial stripe in. Sorry, I didn't make myself clear. The original memorial stripe was black. But when the Reds added permanent details to their uniforms, even though they were perhaps inspired by the stripe, those details were blue. Black as a team color and a permanent uniform element for the Reds originates from the 1990s. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreamSoda Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 The Rockies purple is much brighter. I like it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally1912 Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 The Mets visited the Blue Jays in Toronto on March 16, 1991. http://www.upi.com/Archives/1991/03/16/Mets-7-Blue-Jays-1/2637669099600/ http://www.nytimes.com/1991/03/16/sports/baseball-battered-viola-feels-fine.html http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/the-blue-jays-needed-more-than-green-st-patricks-day-hats-news-photo/502502943?#the-blue-jays-needed-more-than-green-st-patricks-day-hats-against-the-picture-id502502943 The Blue Jays needed more than green St. Patrick's Day hats against the New York Mets at the SkyDome March 16, 1991 The Blue Jays needed more than green St. Patrick's Day hats against the New York Mets at the SkyDome yesterday. Newcomer Jerry Schunk; left; bobbles while Dave Stieb gets set for a losing cause - 7-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jch Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Gothamite said: Sorry, I didn't make myself clear. The original memorial stripe was black. But when the Reds added permanent details to their uniforms, even though they were perhaps inspired by the stripe, those details were blue. Black as a team color and a permanent uniform element for the Reds originates from the 1990s. Exactly. I didn't do a good job of clarifying this either. Up until the 90s, whenever the Reds had a third color (other than red or white) as an accent color is was always navy blue. But the tribute armband on which the 90s vest look was based was in fact black. Also, the tribute armband was for the 1961 season. Armbands were added to both sets of vested uniforms for the 1962-1966 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jch Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 8 hours ago, Ray Lankford said: I actually think the opposite works. Dump the black but keep the unique font. It seems like baseball in general has left the non-descript font to the Yankees road uniform and I think it's better that way. When the Reds introduced the new font/number as part of their identity package they made a big point that this was a custom font designed exclusively for them and they pretty much switched all of their identity over to this font. So most likely if they were to drop the black they would keep the font and just go with 2 colors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WavePunter Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 12 hours ago, SFGiants58 said: The Reds can use white more than other teams (i.e. white outlines on their road greys), therefore elevating it to secondary color status. Besides, not all teams need secondary colors. I think pretty much anybody can use white pretty much whenever.. It's fair game as a neutral color.. The random second outline on the tigers' greys doesn't make it any more official than anything else.. I think it's used where teams think it's needed, even when it isn't a team color (i.e. The Orioles using white outlines on their orange jersey, but not their black jersey, which is essentially just the exact opposite).. There are definitely some color/white teams, but if it's not at least secondary, it doesn't deserve "official team color" status.. I can agree with the Dodgers being blue/white/red, but for the vast majority of teams, two non-white colors is the proper way represent their color palette.. Just for shiggles, here's my take: BAL- orange/black BOS- red/navy NYY- navy/white............../red TB- navy/powder............./yellow TOR- blue/red CHW- black/white/silver CLE- navy/red........./silver DET- navy/orange KC- blue/white................./powder/gold MIN- red/navy/gold HOU- navy/orange LAA- red/navy OAK- green/yellow SEA- teal/navy TEX- blue/red ATL- navy/red NYM- blue/orange MIA- black/orange...../blue......./yellow.../etc PHI- red/white/blue WSH- navy/red/white (USA-related, R/W/B/ CHC- blue/red CIN- red/white/black MIL- navy/gold PIT- black/yellow STL- red/navy ARZ- brick/black/sand............/turquoise COL- purple/black LAD- blue/white/red SD- navy/yellow SF- black/orange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jungle Jim Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 9 hours ago, jch said: I just looked back at the articles around the time these uniforms were introduced and it looks like the red and black undershirts were options for both home and away but that the red ones were meant to be worn at home. So maybe it was intended for the black ones to be worn on the road. I remember the replica jerseys from that set had black sleeves on the home faux vests and red ones on the roads. When the road uniforms were paired with the red undershirts, the black arm band became more noticeable and served as a nice throwback to the 50s. Here are the photos from the 1999 unveiling. It was my impression at the time that they were intended to always wear red undershirts at home and black on the road. After they started winning a lot of road games that first season (even earning the nickname "The Big Road Machine"), they naturally assumed it was because they were wearing black undershirts on the road. (I'm being sarcastic about the stupidity of superstition, by the way). It was for that reason that they started wearing the black undershirts both home and road, and as the wins piled up, they were there to stay for far too long. I may be wrong, but I don't think they ever wore red undershirts on the road with that set in the eight years they had them. As you mentioned, though, the replica jerseys of that era strangely had the red undershirt with the road vest. Regardless of the combination, it was a horrible look, and I'd like to forget it ever happened. The current ones are much better, but it's time to take the next step and eliminate the black. As others have said, just go back to 1968-71 and be done with it. They never should have strayed from those in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmac Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 11 hours ago, SilverBullet1929 said: I actually remember liking the current Reds uniforms when they came out because they got them away from the "black-first" look that they had pre-2007. The current uniforms at least brought red and white back to the forefront. DIdn't realize then as much as I do now that the black and the drop shadows especially still need to go. I guess they were a step in the right direction though. I mean I think it's pretty much consensus that these are the worst the Reds have ever looked... Did the Black Reds ever play the Black Blue Jays? hmmmm.... CNCINNATI https://www.behance.net/bmatukewic8043 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmac Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 4 hours ago, Gothamite said: You're right - those elements are navy. Black wasn't introduced until the 1990s. According to the research from Colorwerx, black was used first (as early as 1959,) navy was used from 1961-1966, and black returned afterwards. https://www.behance.net/bmatukewic8043 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Wind of Doom Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 5 hours ago, WavePunter said: I think pretty much anybody can use white pretty much whenever.. It's fair game as a neutral color.. The random second outline on the tigers' greys doesn't make it any more official than anything else.. I think it's used where teams think it's needed, even when it isn't a team color (i.e. The Orioles using white outlines on their orange jersey, but not their black jersey, which is essentially just the exact opposite).. There are definitely some color/white teams, but if it's not at least secondary, it doesn't deserve "official team color" status.. I can agree with the Dodgers being blue/white/red, but for the vast majority of teams, two non-white colors is the proper way represent their color palette.. Just for shiggles, here's my take: BAL- orange/black BOS- red/navy NYY- navy/white............../red TB- navy/powder............./yellow TOR- blue/red CHW- black/white/silver CLE- navy/red........./silver DET- navy/orange KC- blue/white................./powder/gold MIN- red/navy/gold HOU- navy/orange LAA- red/navy OAK- green/yellow SEA- teal/navy TEX- blue/red ATL- navy/red NYM- blue/orange MIA- black/orange...../blue......./yellow.../etc PHI- red/white/blue WSH- navy/red/white (USA-related, R/W/B/ CHC- blue/red CIN- red/white/black MIL- navy/gold PIT- black/yellow STL- red/navy ARZ- brick/black/sand............/turquoise COL- purple/black LAD- blue/white/red SD- navy/yellow SF- black/orange I wholeheartedly disagree on a few points. First of all, some teams... most teams have a third color. Secondly, while white may be slight on some uniforms like the Tigers' away and the Orioles' alt, I think a major point you're overlooking here is the cap insignia. The Tiger's home cap colors are navy and white. Here's my appraisal of the teams' colors. BAL - Black/Orange/White BOS - Red/Navy/White NYY - Navy/White/....Gray/....Red (It's just... weird. I know.) TB - Navy/White/Columbia/....Yellow (Columbia should be the team's secondary color, but instead is used to accent white on the cap and uniform) TOR - Royal/White/Red (Red really should barely qualify, but it is on the logo and they wear their national pride well.) CWS - Black/White/Silver CLE - Navy/Red/White (All silver got replaced with white in 2008) DET - Navy/Orange/White KC - Royal/White/....Powder/....Gold MIN - Navy/Red/White....Gold HOU - Navy/Orange/White LAA - Red/White/....Silver/....Navy OAK - Green/Gold/White SEA - Navy/Teal/White/Silver TEX - Royal/Red/White or Red/Royal/White (Depending on the day. Colors of the state flag.) ATL - Navy/Red/White NYM - Royal/Orange/White (Prominently featured in their blue alternates. Also meaningful as the colors of the city flag.) MIA - Black/Orange/White/Silver/...Blue/...Yellow PHI - Red/White/...Blue WAS - Red/Navy/White CHC - Royal/Red/White CIN - Red/White/Black MIL - Navy/Gold/White PIT - Black/Gold/White/....Red (Lessened, but still featured on the sleeve logo and their retired numbers.) STL - Red/Navy/White ARI - Black/Sedona/Sand/Teal COL - Black/Purple/Silver LAD - Royal/White/....Red SD - Navy/White/Silver SF - Black/Orange/Gold/Sand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Lankford Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 I think Tampa's two columbia blue jerseys outweigh the TB on the hat being white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet1929 Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Marlins using this on their Twitter page for Spring Training. The ST cap logo but with the ocean blue as the background color. I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet1929 Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 11 hours ago, CreamSoda said: The Rockies purple is much brighter. I like it! And it honestly looks even better in video footage. Not as bright and flowery as that above pic but still clearly purple and not that dark blue indigo looking purple they had before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Lankford Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 The first thing that jumps out to me about Colorado's new purple jerseys is that they'd look better if the numbers were white (or grey) outlined in black instead of vice versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet1929 Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 10 minutes ago, Ray Lankford said: The first thing that jumps out to me about Colorado's new purple jerseys is that they'd look better if the numbers were white (or grey) outlined in black instead of vice versa. And that's exactly how they are on the back of the jerseys so hopefully they notice this and go in that direction eventually... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSU151 Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 9 hours ago, SilverBullet1929 said: Marlins using this on their Twitter page for Spring Training. The ST cap logo but with the ocean blue as the background color. I like it. Agreed - those two colors (or three, including both oranges) should be the dominant colors full time, with the black as an accent. Smart is believing half of what you hear. Genius is knowing which half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Lankford Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 9 minutes ago, WSU151 said: Agreed - those two colors should be the dominant colors full time, with the black as an accent. I imagine it'd look even better if you replaced the black with silver or white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk36 Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 6 hours ago, SilverBullet1929 said: And that's exactly how they are on the back of the jerseys so hopefully they notice this and go in that direction eventually... White pants would look amazing. Grey pants just don't mesh with the bright, vibrant purple. Design Hovie Studios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Wind of Doom Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 7 hours ago, Ray Lankford said: I think Tampa's two columbia blue jerseys outweigh the TB on the hat being white. Yeah, but the royals hit the powder blue on their alts. With the wordmarks, logos, and home whites and away grays columbia blue is used as a tertiary accent, a drop shadow on the white logo or a drop shadow around the white outline. It's akin to the Red's black... except used less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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