nash61 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Watched this really interesting TSN documentary on counterfeit autographs, tickets, and jerseys. Good for them for bringing this to the forefront.PART 1: The Name Game (Autographs) http://www.tsn.ca/video/faking-it-the-name-game-1.200794PART 2: Tickets to Nowhere (Tickets) http://www.tsn.ca/video/faking-it-tickets-to-nowhere-1.201661PART 3: Jersey Ploys (Jerseys) http://www.tsn.ca/video/faking-it-jersey-ploys-1.202302 On September 20, 2012 at 0:50 AM, 'CS85 said: It's like watching the hellish undead creakily shuffling their way out of the flames of a liposuction clinic dumpster fire. On February 19, 2012 at 9:30 AM, 'pianoknight said: Story B: Red Wings go undefeated and score 100 goals in every game. They also beat a team comprised of Godzilla, the ghost of Abraham Lincoln, 2 Power Rangers and Betty White. Oh, and they played in the middle of Iraq on a military base. In the sand. With no ice. Santa gave them special sand-skates that allowed them to play in shorts and t-shirts in 115 degree weather. Jesus, Zeus and Buddha watched from the sidelines and ate cotton candy. POTD 5/24/12, POTD 2/26/17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imawalkingcorpse Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Great documentary on that. I hadn't looked at an NHL jersey in about 15 years, I didn't realize that they were over 200 bucks now. I hate the new Buccaneers logo. Pewter was boring in 97, even more boring now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coggs Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Great documentary on that. I hadn't looked at an NHL jersey in about 15 years, I didn't realize that they were over 200 bucks now.Yup, and that is for a replica. Authentics are $300+ and good luck finding one. Hence, why there is a market for knock-offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youcan'tseeme Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Why is it that so many people are fine spending $40 on a knock-off because it's cheaper, (and allegedly looks perfect) yet not one of those people would buy a knock-off say iPhone for $100 when an authentic one will cost you $700? They'd likely call someone out on having a fake phone yet, the jersey is fine. Most phones are designed to break after 2 years and become obsolete within a year. I just don't get why clothing seems to be fine to bootleg, yet other things that are priced far worse are okay to spend money on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jer15 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 ^ Nailed it. GTA United(USA) 2015 + 2016 USA Champions/Toronto Maroons (ULL)2014, 2015 + 2022 Gait Cup Champions/Toronto Northmen (TNFF) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest23 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Why is it that so many people are fine spending $40 on a knock-off because it's cheaper, (and allegedly looks perfect) yet not one of those people would buy a knock-off say iPhone for $100 when an authentic one will cost you $700? They'd likely call someone out on having a fake phone yet, the jersey is fine. Most phones are designed to break after 2 years and become obsolete within a year. I just don't get why clothing seems to be fine to bootleg, yet other things that are price far worse are okay to spend money on?Not a great comparison between clothing and personal electronic devices. An apple product has proprietary functions and features that cannot be easily counterfeited in addition they take very active measures to protect their IP. Sports leagues do not. The ecosystem compatibility is also a huge factor with something like an iPhone. Given apple's built in IP security and the availability of cost effective substitute there's effectively no market for counterfeit apple goods in North America. Now when it comes to China that's a different proposition simply due to their complete disregard for IP laws and the fact that you've got a much more impressionable and brand obsessed consumer that is completely unaware what an apple product is supposed to be, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapshot Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 I tweeted to the reporter, Rick Winstead, that the Maple Leafs jersey shown in closeups in part 3 was a fake. The crest was in the wrong font. Something many of us here would notice right away, yet it was never mentioned at all that this particular jersey was a fake. Back-to-Back Fatal Forty Champion 2015 & 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infrared41 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 I'd always heard that up to 85% of autographed memorabilia is fake. EDIT: The TSN piece says up to 80% are fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
officeglenn Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Why is it that so many people are fine spending $40 on a knock-off because it's cheaper, (and allegedly looks perfect) yet not one of those people would buy a knock-off say iPhone for $100 when an authentic one will cost you $700? They'd likely call someone out on having a fake phone yet, the jersey is fine. Most phones are designed to break after 2 years and become obsolete within a year. I just don't get why clothing seems to be fine to bootleg, yet other things that are price far worse are okay to spend money on?I'm not defending counterfeiting here, but I think people justify it because there's no intermediate step in the sports apparel market. I watched the documentary the other night with my wife, who is not a sports fan at all, and she said something to the effect of, "If they don't want counterfeit jerseys, then the real ones shouldn't be so expensive."With phones, yes, there's the iPhone, but there are several authentic lower-priced options below that, whether that's another company or operating system. With sports apparel, there aren't as many options. You have authentic jerseys, replica jerseys, then maybe shirseys, then nothing. As long as there is that big a gap in the marketplace, someone is always going to try to fill that gap.One thing I didn't realize before seeing the documentary was when the police officer mentioned that most of the proceeds from counterfeit jerseys goes to organized crime. Another weapon in the arsenal for those arguing against buying counterfeits, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youcan'tseeme Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Why is it that so many people are fine spending $40 on a knock-off because it's cheaper, (and allegedly looks perfect) yet not one of those people would buy a knock-off say iPhone for $100 when an authentic one will cost you $700? They'd likely call someone out on having a fake phone yet, the jersey is fine. Most phones are designed to break after 2 years and become obsolete within a year. I just don't get why clothing seems to be fine to bootleg, yet other things that are price far worse are okay to spend money on? Not a great comparison between clothing and personal electronic devices. An apple product has proprietary functions and features that cannot be easily counterfeited in addition they take very active measures to protect their IP. Sports leagues do not. The ecosystem compatibility is also a huge factor with something like an iPhone. Given apple's built in IP security and the availability of cost effective substitute there's effectively no market for counterfeit apple goods in North America. Now when it comes to China that's a different proposition simply due to their complete disregard for IP laws and the fact that you've got a much more impressionable and brand obsessed consumer that is completely unaware what an apple product is supposed to be,The point I was making was the difference in quality of a $40 jersey versus a Canadian made authentic (and most counterfeit clothes in general) is on par of that of a iPhone "clone" versus a real iPhone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2001mark Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Weird, I saw something like this on CBC's Fifth Estate... maybe the same doc?? Guy went to China & bought NHL jerseys sans holograms. @2001mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest23 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Why is it that so many people are fine spending $40 on a knock-off because it's cheaper, (and allegedly looks perfect) yet not one of those people would buy a knock-off say iPhone for $100 when an authentic one will cost you $700? They'd likely call someone out on having a fake phone yet, the jersey is fine. Most phones are designed to break after 2 years and become obsolete within a year. I just don't get why clothing seems to be fine to bootleg, yet other things that are price far worse are okay to spend money on? Not a great comparison between clothing and personal electronic devices. An apple product has proprietary functions and features that cannot be easily counterfeited in addition they take very active measures to protect their IP. Sports leagues do not. The ecosystem compatibility is also a huge factor with something like an iPhone. Given apple's built in IP security and the availability of cost effective substitute there's effectively no market for counterfeit apple goods in North America. Now when it comes to China that's a different proposition simply due to their complete disregard for IP laws and the fact that you've got a much more impressionable and brand obsessed consumer that is completely unaware what an apple product is supposed to be,The point I was making was the difference in quality of a $40 jersey versus a Canadian made authentic (and most counterfeit clothes in general) is on par of that of a iPhone "clone" versus a real iPhone.Yeah and I disagree with your comparison, they just aren't on par. The consumer perception gap of quality in clothing between counterfeit apparel and authentic is much narrower than consumer electronics. Electronics have very capable substitutes for those looking to shop price point and are not brand loyal. Logo/branded/licensed jerseys don't offer that lower priced substitute in the eyes of the consumer (walmart price point jerseys are about the only value option which are terrible) which makes the bootleg authentic a very attractive proposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Great links. Thanks! On 4/10/2017 at 3:05 PM, Rollins Man said: what the hell is ccslc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCap Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 What about speeding? PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randyc Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 The comments on the articles on TSN read a lot of "They're good quality, look the same, who cares if it's fake?" or "It's so much cheaper and looks the same."No people, they don't look the same and most of the ones I have seen are not good quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNTwins Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 One thing I didn't realize before seeing the documentary was when the police officer mentioned that most of the proceeds from counterfeit jerseys goes to organized crime. Another weapon in the arsenal for those arguing against buying counterfeits, I suppose.Well technically, counterfeit jersey manufacturing IS organized crime. The term "organized crime" always makes me think of the mafia or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kw11333 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 The NHL has the most expensive jerseys. $200+ (Canadian) for a jersey with a name on it. I can get a jersey with a name on it from any other league for less than $120 (at most).There is a reason NHL jerseys are the most counter-fitted. NHL replica jerseys are still made with the old jersey material, just a different cut.I would never buy a knock-off, but I really hope this forces prices to drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCap Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 There is a reason NHL jerseys are the most counter-fitted.Counter-argument: a jersey is a luxury item, not an essential. You don't NEED one, so you aren't entitled to one at a "reasonable" price.Don't get me wrong. The prices are, in my opinion, too high. That's why I've only bought one sweater since the EDGE changeover. The solution, though, isn't to support an illegal business. It's to just go "well I guess I won't get a jersey." If enough people do that then basic supply and demand will force the NHL to lower their prices. PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youcan'tseeme Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Why is it that so many people are fine spending $40 on a knock-off because it's cheaper, (and allegedly looks perfect) yet not one of those people would buy a knock-off say iPhone for $100 when an authentic one will cost you $700? They'd likely call someone out on having a fake phone yet, the jersey is fine. Most phones are designed to break after 2 years and become obsolete within a year. I just don't get why clothing seems to be fine to bootleg, yet other things that are price far worse are okay to spend money on? Not a great comparison between clothing and personal electronic devices. An apple product has proprietary functions and features that cannot be easily counterfeited in addition they take very active measures to protect their IP. Sports leagues do not. The ecosystem compatibility is also a huge factor with something like an iPhone. Given apple's built in IP security and the availability of cost effective substitute there's effectively no market for counterfeit apple goods in North America. Now when it comes to China that's a different proposition simply due to their complete disregard for IP laws and the fact that you've got a much more impressionable and brand obsessed consumer that is completely unaware what an apple product is supposed to be,The point I was making was the difference in quality of a $40 jersey versus a Canadian made authentic (and most counterfeit clothes in general) is on par of that of a iPhone "clone" versus a real iPhone. Yeah and I disagree with your comparison, they just aren't on par. The consumer perception gap of quality in clothing between counterfeit apparel and authentic is much narrower than consumer electronics. Electronics have very capable substitutes for those looking to shop price point and are not brand loyal. Logo/branded/licensed jerseys don't offer that lower priced substitute in the eyes of the consumer (walmart price point jerseys are about the only value option which are terrible) which makes the bootleg authentic a very attractive proposition.I'm not arguing about the consumer perception nor the lack of a value option though. I agree with everything you're saying. One of our points does not negate the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckhamcantbendmiami Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Thanks for that. Despite what you think counterfeit jerseys do not matter if the quality is on par with the officials, I having both official and bootleg jerseys. The difference is paying $60 or less for what is a solid replica by essentially chinese slaves or paying $100-400 for a $30 jersey made by essentially chinese slaves that the rich elite consider "authentic products". I don't feel moral either way.I could not see paying more than $50 max on a jersey of any kind. It's something you just wear to support a team, why does it need to be "official"? And yes, you make it up through other purchases to support your team.And they brought up that it sometimes goes into other illegal operations, the two choices for the same product are corrupt businessmen who ruin lives and those in illegal operations who ruins lives. They are honestly on the same level of scum to me, so I just choose to get most of my jerseys from thrift shops. At least i know the money is actually going to help people. All that matters is love, love, your love... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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