The_Admiral Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 What exactly is it with the Rams? Is it just the bad stadium? St. Louis has always struck me as a top notch sports city, so I find it hard to believe that they're not being supported. Whats the deal?Well, while the Cardinals have been terrific and the Blues have been more or less pretty good, St. Louis has a long history of either awful football or no football at all. You're basically looking at a three-year window of being really good (1999-2001) and three more years of kinda hanging around with the remnants of those first three years. The years of bad/no football have allowed the Bears and Chiefs (and Packers, because apparently wherever there are deer to be shot, there are Packers fans?) to kind of gobble up the outlying areas that are solidly St. Louis when it comes to baseball. There's just not that same solid football foundation there that there is for baseball, or that there is for football elsewhere. I guess the Greatest Show On Turf was just one of those weird things that happened between The Nineties and 9/11, you know, kind of like Creed. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_tattoos Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 I guess the Greatest Show On Turf was just one of those weird things that happened between The Nineties and 9/11, you know, kind of like Creed.Ha! Hotter Than July > Thriller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCall Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 My cousin's husband (they live in St. Peter's outside St. Louis) says the rumblings up there are that Kroenke is going about it like he's trying to keep the team there. He has land he can build a stadium on or something to that effect. Nothing certain, but just the situation at the moment. Still believe it's a while off before anything definitive. Don't really hear much these days. Just kind of quiet as far as what's out in public. https://dribbble.com/MakaioCall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbadefense1990 Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 I guess the Greatest Show On Turf was just one of those weird things that happened between The Nineties and 9/11, you know, kind of like Creed.POTD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockstar Matt Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 So, the period in which NFL teams have to submit to the NFL for relocation started 10 days ago.Does anyone have any news for Los Angeles?? Cowboys - Lakers - LAFC - USMNT - LA Rams - LA Kings - NUFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 All quiet. No news since the Bills took themselves out of the running. I'm especially curious to hear what's going on with the Rams - their mediation period should be coming to a close. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaytonBlue Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 http://www.stltoday....2e3f08ee75.htmlArbitration is getting underway. This article explores the idea of just building a new stadium, perhaps by giving Kroenke some land where a Chrysler plant used to be. My only hope out of all of this is that they don't do a dome renovation that only buys them another 10 years. If they do one, it should involve signing a 25 year lease extension from 2013 with no opt-out. If that Chrysler property wasn't surrounded mostly by a river on one side, I imagine St. Louis County/Fenton would just give Kroenke the land if he paid for most of the construction (he can technically lease it from the county to avoid property tax). The problem with that site is that it would take a lot of work to make it feasible for stadium traffic. "I did absolutely nothing and it was everything I thought it could be." -Peter Gibbons RIP Demitra #38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 If that Chrysler property wasn't surrounded mostly by a river on one side, I imagine St. Louis County/Fenton would just give Kroenke the land if he paid for most of the construction (he can technically lease it from the county to avoid property tax). The problem with that site is that it would take a lot of work to make it feasible for stadium traffic.Also the river lowlands would be awful weather-wise for games in August and September if the stadium is open. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 I think being made to play in what amounts to America's ass crack could make for terrific home field advantage. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaytonBlue Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Are you talking about Fenton? "I did absolutely nothing and it was everything I thought it could be." -Peter Gibbons RIP Demitra #38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCall Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Yeah that's out in Fenton on I-44. Not far from 270 so as far as easy access to all 3 interstates, it's pretty ideal. Still would probably need another exit and some other roadwork around the area though. https://dribbble.com/MakaioCall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Are you talking about Fenton?I'd assume so. I certainly was. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I don't understand why the NFL would be so against the Raiders moving back to Los Angeles. They logistically make the most sense IMO. They play in a very subpar (but not AWFUL, like its made out to be) stadium in the heart of one of the most crime ridden and economically destitute cities in the country. They as well don't have the leasing issues that these other teams do, and there's no way in hell they get a new stadium built in the Bay Area any time soon, if ever. Their best option to stay in the Bay Area is to try and share the Niners new stadium in Santa Clara, which is an idea that many aren't fond of (I don't see the problem with it, personally), and who's to say the Niners would even be willing to let that happen? I even understand the NFL being reluctant because of how things went down last time with Al Davis, but he's dead now and they wouldn't be playing their home games at the Coliseum. One of the reasons it was so bad the first time is because the Coliseum is located right in the heart of one of the worst neighborhoods in LA and the place was a dump even back then. I think housing them in a shiny new stadium in an area that has heavy police coverage anyway would help to lessen a lot of those issues. Plus, both the Raiders and the NFL would take in crash hand over fist if the Raiders came back. I know fans who STILL drive up from Southern California every time the Raiders are at home. Putting a team with as strong of a history in the league and already has a huge fan base in the Los Angeles area makes it seem like a perfect fit. I just don't get why the NFL would be so reluctant to let them move to LA unless they're still holding a grudge for the Raiders past shenanigans (somewhat deservingly so, I'll admit). But all the hard feelings and worry of the level of crazy fans would be so overshadowed by the amount of cash that would inevitably roll in. And I say this as a Bay Area native who would hate to see the Raiders move. Unfortunately though, it's a move that just makes too much sense IMO not to. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I just don't get why the NFL would be so reluctant to let them move to LA unless they're still holding a grudge for the Raiders past shenanigans (somewhat deservingly so, I'll admit). Yeah, that's pretty much it. But the fans, not Davis and his lawsuits. Any franchise that moves there will take in money hand over fist - I don't think that's reserved for the Raiders, not enough so for the league to forget about the behavior of Raider fans. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Are you talking about Fenton?More so the climate of greater St. Louis between June and September. I don't know anything about Fenton itself, just that I've suffered through the most stifling, sweat-through-the-sweat-you-sweat-through-your-clothes humidity ever in St. Louis, and I've been to Florida in the dog days of summer. At least there's an ocean breeze there. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL FANATIC Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Here's another article from a couple of weeks earlier. The Rams could obviously be lying, but it seems more clear than ever they'll only be moving if the relationship between the Rams and the region absolutely collapses. And it won't be soon.http://www.stltoday....e77873535f.htmlWhere IN the region and what that building will look like remains to be seen.As for me, I'd hate to see them move out to the county. I love that all three stadiums are downtown. But I understand it, and I'd accept it over a move outside of the region. JUSTIN STRIEBEL | PORTFOLIO | RESUME | CONTACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac the Knife Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I used to believe that a team moving to LA was imminent, but all but one of the teams I thought would be on the move (Buffalo, Jacksonville, Minnesota, St. Louis) have either been taken off the table, seen ownership changes that make it unlikely for at least a few years, or have new stadia in the works/being constructed. The only other one on my list was the San Diego Chargers, and despite the riches a return to Los Angeles might provide, I can't see them abandoning one large Southern California market for another unless they completely run out of options in getting a new stadium there - which they haven't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCall Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I haven't seen any new stadium talks for San Diego, plus as the only current SoCal team, it wouldn't be a bad idea to stake claim to the "prize" market of the region. https://dribbble.com/MakaioCall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Yeah it wouldn't be ideal either. Sacrificing the San Diego market while allowing the Raiders to remain rotting in Oakland makes little sense to me. Dropping the hammer on Oakland while retaining San Diego makes WAY more sense. And like I said, sure the Raiders had issues the last time they were in LA with fans, but drop any team into the heart of the ghetto and you're going to have MAJOR problems. It's gotten a bit better by now, but back when the Raiders were there, South Central was arguably the most dangerous neighborhood in the country. And look at where the Raiders are currently at. It's arguably currently the most dangerous neighborhood in the country! Allow them to move to the downtown/COI spot and you basically price a certain group of people out of the market. It'd be killing two birds with one stone IMO. People often get this idea that Raiders fans are just inherently the worst of the worst, but a lot of that coincides with the fact that they've spent the majority of their history in the worst slums imaginable. The majority of Raiders fans aren't any better or worse than fans of any other NFL team. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 But the Oakland Coliseum isn't in a neighborhood, it's just in a giant parking lot. It seems too self-contained to worry about whatever residential/industrial stuff is nearby. I have a hard time believing it's worse than the various Chicago neighborhoods where someone is murdered every day. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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