NHL Anti-Thread: Bad Business Decision Aggregator

[Ridleylash]

Yeah, I can't see him winning this. The jerseys only share the absolute broadest of similarities (horizontal striping on the chest, S for a logo with text inside it). Nobody's going to confuse a navy blue jersey with ice blue and cream striping for a red jersey with green and cream/white striping.

 

Put another way; the Kraken's jersey are far closer in design to the Sens' old black O third jersey than they are a 1-1 Metropolitans jersey.

[gosioux76]

46 minutes ago, Ridleylash said:

Put another way; the Kraken's jersey are far closer in design to the Sens' old black O third jersey than they are a 1-1 Metropolitans jersey.

 

But how many people in the Seattle metropolitan area would know this vs how many would look at it and make the obvious correlation to the Metropolitans jersey? 

 

That's why this guy, opportunist or otherwise, filed a lawsuit. Even if he doesn't stand a chance, what's the point of owning that intellectual property if you're not going to attempt to protect it? 

[The_Admiral]

10 hours ago, gosioux76 said:

what's the point of owning that intellectual property if you're not going to attempt to protect it? 

There is none. He wasted his money doing bad-faith paperwork.

[The_Admiral]

the most beloved trophy in sports getting out-SEOed by a :censored:ing Starbucks promotion

[Cosmic]

2 hours ago, the admiral said:

the most beloved trophy in sports getting out-SEOed by a :censored:ing Starbucks promotion

Don't worry, the crack NHL marketing team will get around to doing a Stanley Cup Stanley cup in about 7 years.

[GDAWG]

 

 

[Fowler2]

Obviously there won't be expansion for next season but maybe for 2026-27.  Option 2: The Coyotes are really relocating (yeah right). 

[Sykotyk]

8 hours ago, BottomlessPitt said:

Obviously there won't be expansion for next season but maybe for 2026-27.  Option 2: The Coyotes are really relocating (yeah right). 

The grip that the Phoenix market has on the NHL is unparalleled. But if they ever did move, SLC would be a decent city to move to. Has the arena (though another NBA first venues with the one end with obstructed views until a new venue can be built), and the city is big enough to support it. And it's a market where you would think ice hockey would do well.

[tigerslionspistonshabs]

Since the 02 Winter Olympics I've been saying that SLC would make a great NHL market.

[The_Admiral]

I've been saying it wouldn't. But maybe I'm wrong and now the churches out there all have hockey rinks in them.

[GDAWG]

is SLC big enough for an NHL expansion team and an MLB expansion team?

[Sykotyk]

14 minutes ago, GDAWG said:

is SLC big enough for an NHL expansion team and an MLB expansion team?

I don't think so. Baseball is a tough sport for a market to support. Las Vegas can do it because it's a destination city that will rely heavily on transplants and visiting fans. SLC is not that. If they JUST got baseball and nothing else, they could conceivably make it happen. But MLB and NHL to go along with the Jazz (and count RSL, too).... that would be tough. I think the two new teams if they happened close together would cannibalize each other.

[FiddySicks]

1 hour ago, GDAWG said:

is SLC big enough for an NHL expansion team and an MLB expansion team?

Lol, absolutely not.  It’s crazy that they even have the Jazz. 

[dont care]

4 hours ago, Sykotyk said:

I don't think so. Baseball is a tough sport for a market to support. Las Vegas can do it because it's a destination city that will rely heavily on transplants and visiting fans. SLC is not that. If they JUST got baseball and nothing else, they could conceivably make it happen. But MLB and NHL to go along with the Jazz (and count RSL, too).... that would be tough. I think the two new teams if they happened close together would cannibalize each other.

Is it though? Who goes to Las Vegas and says “let’s go watch a baseball game outside in the devils :censored:, and not stay inside gamble, strip clubs, watch shows, or sports indoors.”

[Sykotyk]

5 hours ago, dont care said:

Is it though? Who goes to Las Vegas and says “let’s go watch a baseball game outside in the devils :censored:, and not stay inside gamble, strip clubs, watch shows, or sports indoors.”

Not exactly. Someone from the visiting team's fan base will be like "Hey, let's go to Vegas for vacation this year. This particular week. The Tigers are in town." You're not getting that much with any other city except maybe New Orleans.

[who do you think]

10 hours ago, GDAWG said:

is SLC big enough for an NHL expansion team and an MLB expansion team?

 

Absolutely not. 2.7 million people in the region* puts them on par with St. Louis, Charlotte, Sacramento, San Antonio. You could probably drop the NFL and their 8-9 home games per year in there (disregarding the Sunday issue of course), but adding just one of NHL or MLB would be tight, let alone both.

 

*That's just the statistical area info from Wikipedia, their TV market probably sucks because there isn't jack beyond those SLC outskirts.

[Sykotyk]

1 hour ago, who do you think said:

 

Absolutely not. 2.7 million people in the region* puts them on par with St. Louis, Charlotte, Sacramento, San Antonio. You could probably drop the NFL and their 8-9 home games per year in there (disregarding the Sunday issue of course), but adding just one of NHL or MLB would be tight, let alone both.

 

*That's just the statistical area info from Wikipedia, their TV market probably sucks because there isn't jack beyond those SLC outskirts.

The Wasatch Range is where most of the people would be (Logan/Tremonton south to Spanish Fork. Yeah there's Park City to the east,... but that's the basis for the actual ticket buying fan support. You would get a lot of mormon support from surrounding states and the rest of Utah. You'd see a huge territory of southern Idaho, western Wyoming, northwest Colorado, and east/northern Nevada that would support a Utah team in terms of TV eyeballs. But they won't be going to many games if they live further than an hour away.

 

Baseball relies on regular, repeat attendees AND a huge regional draw of people going to maybe 1 game a year and otherwise just being a fan through TV. A market like SLC has too few 'regional fans' to draw numbers, and you'll tap out of regulars in the area pretty quickly. You're not getting 20k a game after the novelty wears off in a year or two.

 

RSL moved to Sandy in the new venue and it might as well been Evanston, Wyoming. The fan support dropped and that was still in that I-15 corridor and not at all away from the growing southern suburbs. Even a perfectly centralized MLB stadium near the spaghetti bowl with easy freeway access won't draw enough from outside SLC proper to make it work long term with other teams in the market. They could, but they'd be Pittsburgh level. With another team? No chance at all.

[The_Admiral]

Relative to the other leagues, Latter-day Saints are underrepresented in the NHL. Derek Ryan is the only active one, and the only other one I remember before that was Brent Peterson, the old Barry Trotz assistant. I think Mormons have early-morning religion classes that preempt the 4 a.m. ice time of legend, but more than that, hockey's youth culture of binge-drinking and sucking your friends' dicks to show that you're not gay doesn't jibe with Mormons' upright cultural mores. 

 

I know the demographics of Utah are shifting, so maybe there could be a situation where the Jazz are the team for Mormons and the, let's say Coyotes are the team for gentiles, but then you're splitting up a market that's already small and marginal to begin with.

[monkeypower]

22 hours ago, The_Admiral said:

Relative to the other leagues, Latter-day Saints are underrepresented in the NHL. Derek Ryan is the only active one, and the only other one I remember before that was Brent Peterson, the old Barry Trotz assistant. I think Mormons have early-morning religion classes that preempt the 4 a.m. ice time of legend, but more than that, hockey's youth culture of binge-drinking and sucking your friends' dicks to show that you're not gay doesn't jibe with Mormons' upright cultural mores. 

 

I know the demographics of Utah are shifting, so maybe there could be a situation where the Jazz are the team for Mormons and the, let's say Coyotes are the team for gentiles, but then you're splitting up a market that's already small and marginal to begin with.

 

Canada only has about 200,000 Mormons and the Mormon hotbeds in America aren't exactly hockey hotbeds so just by the numbers, it makes there wouldn't be many professional Mormon players.

[LaGrandeOrange]

On 1/28/2024 at 11:42 AM, The_Admiral said:

Relative to the other leagues, Latter-day Saints are underrepresented in the NHL. Derek Ryan is the only active one, and the only other one I remember before that was Brent Peterson, the old Barry Trotz assistant. I think Mormons have early-morning religion classes that preempt the 4 a.m. ice time of legend, but more than that, hockey's youth culture of binge-drinking and sucking your friends' dicks to show that you're not gay doesn't jibe with Mormons' upright cultural mores. 

 

I know the demographics of Utah are shifting, so maybe there could be a situation where the Jazz are the team for Mormons and the, let's say Coyotes are the team for gentiles, but then you're splitting up a market that's already small and marginal to begin with.

 

I am unfamiliar with most about LDS, but is there a reason why the mormon population would not want to watch the team just because they didn't grow up with playing the game? Isn't Nevada one of the other handfuls of places with a significant population? The Grizzlies ECHL team seems to be at around the average attendance of the AHL, I've always been under the impression that saturation level/team success/marketing is what draws attendance for basically every team in the non-NFL leagues and we've seen with the Golden Knights/Kraken that the NHL is very happy to give expansion teams a good chance at early success (unlike the 90's/00's expansions).