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Hahah names on the back are "crass"? That's a touch dramatic. 

 

note to self: start using the word "crass" to describe things I don't like. 

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Just now, SilverBullet1929 said:

Now I'm starting to wonder how much of this debate is simply a matter of age and what jerseys you grew up watching in your youth. Not that I'm a teenager, I'm in my 30's, but age could very well matter in terms of opinion towards NOB or NNOB.

 

When I began watching baseball in the 1970s, most teams already had names on the back.  The Giants, the Dodgers, the Orioles, the A's, and many others had had them for quite some time. The Yankees and Mets didn't have them, nor did the Red Sox.  In the several years after I began watching, names were added by the Brewers, the Royals, and the Pirates, and then by the Mets, as I noted above.

Still, names on the uniforms were the contemporary norm for my entire life. This would be true for anyone currently in his/her 50s. Even people my age would have seen teams without names mainly in old clips, such as those of the Yankee-Dodger World Series clashes of the 1940s and 1950s.

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1 hour ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

I don't condemn the celebration of self, nor do I dislike the players who get criticised for that.  When Reggie Jackson came to the Yankees, it was the wonderful (despite the fact that he initially rubbed my favourite player, Thurman Munson, the wrong way).  Reggie was the biggest hot dog, and he got a lot of grief from the backward-minded hacks who wrote for papers. His being a hot dog did not clash at all with his uniform having no name on the back.

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The whole thing is down to what looks classic.  When you are a kid and you see the old clips, you cannot help but note that Joe D. and Ted Williams had no names on their uniforms.  And then you see the clips from the 60s, and you start to see names appear; so you notice that, from the purely aesthetic standpoint, the NNOB style is clean, while the NOB style is cluttered.  These looks have implications: NNOB is dignified; NOB is crass.  

This perception is furthered when you live through seeing a team ruin its beautiful uniform by adding names, as the Mets did in 1979.  At first they added them only to the road jerseys, in keeping with what was then a National Leauge rule. (The Cubs also had names only on the road at the time, for the same reason.)  Then they put them on at home.   This was after they had already ruined the great jersey seen on Seaver above by changing it in 1978 to a two-button pullover with needless stripes on the collar and the sleeves.

 

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Then in 1982 came the epitome of crass, the awful racing stripe and full pullover, which debuted that year on the road uniform and moved to the home uniform in 1983.

 

The Mets went, in just a few years, from looking like dignified adults to looking like children in onesies.  There is no way to deny the plunge in the aesthetic:


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The addition of names is part of that plunge, even emblematic of it.  

 

The question has nothing to do with old-fashioned teams versus newfangled teams.  The uniforms of even a latter-day team such as the Blue Jays looked good with no names: 

 

 

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So, in the end, regardless of all rationalisations, the NNOB style will forever remain the classic epitome of professionalism, while the NOB style will always come off as cheesy and inelegant.

 

I was with you until the Blue Jays photo. It looks horrendously cheap without a NOB. It simply comes down to a team-by-team case, one isn't inherently right or wrong.

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18 hours ago, DiePerske said:

I would say that the Blue Jays would look better, or at least very good, with NNOB. My reasoning for this is is that they have the history for it, starting in the 1970s, and also that it removes the contract between single layer names and the white interrupted numbers on back.

 

In general, I'm a fan of NNOB at home and NOB on the road. Also, I think either style works as well as the design is done well.

 

The Jays do NNOB for spring training jerseys, and they just look unfinished and, well...spring training like.  If they did that for the regular season, I would be very unhappy.

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10 hours ago, SilverBullet1929 said:

I've never understood the argument that NOB is unprofessional because any softball or little league team can get names printed on a shirt.

 

This doesn't make any sense to me, either. In fact, the NNOB look usually comes across as MUCH more Beer League/Little League to me because they often times reuse their jerseys for several seasons and hand them out to a bunch of different kids in order to keep costs lower.

 

"Ok little Jimmy, since you've hit puberty before everyone else, you get #91 this year. No, you can't have #14 because it's a size medium!" 

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I think the whole "it's about the team not the player" argument is stupid once you get to the professional levels considering a player's entire salary is based on how well he does regardless of if the team wins or loses, and teams market individual players. 

 

You want to push the "team player" argument at the high school or youth levels then fine, but let's not pretend for a second that professionals aren't supposed to be thinking about themselves first. 

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Oh, did you say you want to see some poor design? Here you go.

 

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3 hours ago, DAKINS24 said:

 

The Jays do NNOB for spring training jerseys, and they just look unfinished and, well...spring training like.  If they did that for the regular season, I would be very unhappy.

That's because they do not adjust for NNOB. It is unfinished because it is a NOB jersey, number size, and placement without the name. This is in contrast to larger numbers and higher, as it is on NNOB jerseys, or to be more fair, should be.

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This is pretty good number placement for NNOB jerseys.  They usually get this wrong when they do throwback games.  

 

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23 hours ago, Old School Fool said:

 

What's wrong with repping your favorite player anyways? I swear this board gets really weird about wearing jerseys in public. It's an odd phenomenon. No one cares if you wear a jersey with a name, without a name, with a shirt, without a shirt, doesn't matter. Although I will personally admit that I almost bought a Jamarcus Russell jersey years ago. :mad:

Dude, you should have totally bought it. Jamarcus will forever live in our hearts for putting Purple Drank in the public's eye :)

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THIS is the way we're gonna have to go guys. Forget names, why even have numbers? THIS guy is totally "part of the team" and not exhibiting a crass, classless celebration of oneself. Let's all go this way where it's obvious this man's individuality means nothing.

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The one Seattle Sounders game I went to there was a player on the Sounders who accidentally wore his green warmup shirt instead of his game jersey so it was missing a number. He changed at halftime and played the second half in his properly numbered and lettered shirt. He looked so much classier in the first half without those disgusting markings on his back. 

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14 hours ago, BringBackTheVet said:

This is pretty good number placement for NNOB jerseys.  They usually get this wrong when they do throwback games.  

 

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Are those chainstitched numbers?!?!  That is fantastic!  I didn't know anyone did that.

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I'm trying to remember if other teams did that.  I don't know that the Cardinals did, and they're still using chain stitching on the script.

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The Phillies still do it for the script too, though it's chainstitched on to a patch which is then applied to the shirt, so it's not as classy.

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16 hours ago, DiePerske said:

That's because they do not adjust for NNOB. It is unfinished because it is a NOB jersey, number size, and placement without the name. This is in contrast to larger numbers and higher, as it is on NNOB jerseys, or to be more fair, should be.

 

It's because NNOB always looks unfinished, especially on a more modern design like the Jays' jersey.  It's nothing to do with placement or size of the numbers.

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So I guess it's 2014 again?  I was much happier with the 2015 design.  I miss the diamond background of the late 1980's-1990's.

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2 hours ago, DAKINS24 said:

 

So I guess it's 2014 again?  I was much happier with the 2015 design.  I miss the diamond background of the late 1980's-1990's.

Eh...I like the lettering and the addition of the seam, but I hate these shapeless logos of late. There's too much empty space which makes for a terrible looking hat patch (might be ok on some jerseys though.)

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They should just make the World series logo cream, looks alot better on a Giants jersey then white.

 

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