2001mark Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 NBA teams can win titles with a core 3-4, that's not really the case for MLB, NHL, & certainly not the NFL. Not sure what that has to do with the number of franchises, do ppl want to contract the NBA? @2001mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_ThenNowForever Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 I'm so glad someone did this... Brian Windhorst told an amazing story of how the NBA and external forces screwed the Thunder out of first Harden and then Kevin Durant. Some enterprising person transcribed the whole thing. Here it is on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/4rg0o2/transcript_of_an_amazing_brian_windhorst_story/ Quote I apologise if the following is common knowledge but I've heard people talk about the Harden trade a lot (shout out to Simmons) and can't remember ever hearing this story. I was going to paraphrase what Windhorst said but the filibuster he gave was so good I decided to transcribe it. I edited what he said a bit to make it easier to follow. This story is taken from the true hoop podcast from yesterday, starting around the 34 minute mark if you’d prefer to listen to it. Some Context: Ethan Strauss asks the guys if the Harden trade “lit the fuse” for Kevin Durant’s decision to join Golden State and ultimately ruin OKC's roster. Windhorst says he thinks the Thunder losing a 3-1 lead in the WCF was the key factor. Someone else (Tom Haberstroh?) tries to clarify Ethan’s point by asking would the Thunder have lost that lead with Harden on the team? This sparks Windhorst to get something off his chest… Brian Windhorst: “So here’s the thing guys, I have to step in here, you cannot look at that trade and say either/or. The Thunder were the product of their own misjudgements but they were the product of some terrible misfortune along the way. And one of the misfortunes was in 2011 a new CBA came in with extremely penal luxury tax penalties and as part of that CBA, without Durant even asking for it, [the league] grandfathered his contract in to giving him the ‘Rose provision’. When the CBA opened (the next year) it was like “by the way, you now have a luxury tax that’s twice or three times as penal as it was before, when you were planning your team. Oh and by the way, we decided we’re giving Kevin Durant three more million dollars over every year of his contract” and the Thunder we’re like “umm…WHAT?!” And it was such a bad deal for the Thunder that the league later refunded them the money but it was too late because they had to make the decision on Harden. Now if you wanna retort and say… Someone else on the panel interrupts with a big “wait, whaaat?” because, like me, they can’t believe this either BW (cont.) “…So as you know, there’s this thing called the ‘Rose provision’. It was called the ‘Rose provision’ but it might as well have been called the ‘Durant provision’ because he was the first person to actually get it. (It allows a player) to get extra money if you made two all NBA teams or were voted into two all-star games. Durant had signed his extension before the CBA and it was kicking in as soon as the new CBA came in. He didn’t have the opportunity to get the ‘Rose provision’ (in this contract because it didn’t exist when he was negotiating his contract). And somewhere in the lawyering… Amin Elhassan jumps in to mention that the Rose Provision is negotiable between the player and the team from 25%-30% of the cap. However, in Durant’s case the league gave him the full 30% retrospectively without negotiation. BW (cont.) “They just gave it to him and it was a crazy decision and pardon my podcast French but they absolutely screwed the Thunder on it. Now, you’re gonna say “what are you complaining about? So what you have to give KD more money” but it screwed the Thunder’s planning. All of a sudden it meant that they had to account for three million dollars more per year for the next five years when they had to try and decide on Harden. And you may say to them “well you’re still an idiot because you should still pay Harden and pay the luxury tax. What’s your freaking problem, Thunder?” and the answer is they were horribly afraid of the repeater tax which they’d be in right now if they had signed Harden. So yes, if you want to frame the decision that they screwed up with Harden – yeah - but they got a terrible piece of misfortune there.” And in case anyone wants to ask “well, why not still blame the Thunder’s cheap owners for not paying the repeater tax?”... BW (from a little later in the pod): “All I’m saying is, the thunder’s point of view of it is, that we’re now in year 6 of the CBA and the Thunder would have been a tax payer for 5 of those 6 years had they done the Harden deal and therefore they would not be in a position to do anything. As you know, the repeater tax even scared away Prokhorov. He fled on the repeater tax. The Miami heat fled on the repeater tax. [The league] has been trying to figure out ways to create a hard cap – well you’ve finally found it. Everybody’s afraid of that repeater tax, even guys like Micky Arison who are worth like 8/10 billion and Prokhorov, one of the richest people in the world, are afraid of the repeater tax. And that’s what OKC was afraid of and that’s what was put on their plate (by the league). They knew that because they had Durant and Westbrook and if they added Harden they’d be deep in the repeater tax by now and they still couldn’t afford them.” They then go on to talk about Curry's bad ankle, the huge increase in the cap this year, and how it really was a stroke of several misfortunes that led to Durant leaving OKC. At the same time, Windhorst is saying the Lakers should trade their 14, 15 and 16 draft classes to the Thunder for Westbrook and Adams, but I don't know what that's supposed to accomplish, other than making the Thunder good in 2 years and the Lakers bad. 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Thunder ownership is among the NBA's least sympathetic (with Donald Sterling forced out at figurative gunpoint, first place moves to the guy who killed himself to avoid life in prison), but that's some fishy stuff there. I don't know how, but the NBA's salary cap system needs to become more intuitive. In general, I'm not enthusiastic about reducing sports to spreadsheets, and there's a lot I hate about the guaranteed-contract/hard-cap NHL system (especially with my team on the ass end of it), but I appreciate that I can follow it, however much it may suck. You shouldn't have to be a CPA with a law degree to decipher the NBA's cap. I still don't understand what a mid-level exception is, nor do I know if the new CBA even has mid-level exceptions, and that's supposed to be one of the easier parts to get! ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Noire Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 3 hours ago, habsfan1 said: Wow seriously lol 6 years of that being competitive and going nowhere s*** got old I guess. Love Twitter but it's the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ltjets21 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 How many years could this Golden State group stay together? Steph will be a free agent next year and will seek a max deal leaving the cap full from 4 players... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Video of OKC fans saying goodbye to Durant jersey http://www.totalprosports.com/2016/07/04/okc-fans-bring-out-ar-15s-shotguns-pistols-to-shoot-burn-durants-jersey-video/ And terrible pollution of the lake as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlin Wall Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Well, the Thunder can finally rerelocate to Seattle now. I'm a simple person, I have a pixelated David Beckham as profile photo since 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 How much longer is the lease for KD's Restaurant in Bricktown? On Monday, they restaurant deleted their Twitter account and his restaurant partner, who is based in Norman, must be counting the days down on the space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OaklandIsBack Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 LightsOut talk to me when your Clips make it past the 2nd round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordsketor Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 DWade is apparently going to sign with the Bulls... Many thanks to Discrimihater for making the sig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsJunkie Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Bulls 'bout to have the worst spacing of all-time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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infrared41 Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 1 hour ago, OaklandIsBack said: LightsOut talk to me when your Clips make it past the 2nd round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worcat Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 It's cool atleast Wade is going to play for his hometown and not chase a ring. Bleeding Blue since 1986 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CS85 Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Bulls are such a sham. They lie about dealing Rose, saying they want to get younger and start a process of gentle rebuilding, but then they get the chance to sign a pair of 2010 All-Stars, and woo-doggies, we got another ALL-IN, baby! I hope they lose 70 games. Quote "You are nothing more than a small cancer on this message board. You are not entertaining, you are a complete joke." twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 15 minutes ago, worcat said: It's cool atleast Wade is going to play for his hometown and not chase a ring. He can be traded as early as December 15*. *- Which also is the last day either the NBA or the union can opt out of the current CBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worcat Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 At the end of his career it won't matter. Wade will likely sign a one day contract and retire with the Heat. Bleeding Blue since 1986 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDR Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 #youngerandmoreathletic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2001mark Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 1 hour ago, worcat said: At the end of his career it won't matter. Wade will likely sign a one day contract and retire with the Heat. Meh, there's not a thing here really. Not like Durant leaving the 2nd best roster to join the best. Wade doesn't owe anything else for the Heat, he'll always be their g.o.a.t. While he may not remain with them, signing with the Bulls is a nice nod. @2001mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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