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47 minutes ago, BringBackTheVet said:

Lol can’t exclude a team from free agency unless you want the players’ union to sue the everliving f out of the league. 

Yeah, really. How does preventing a team from paying above market value for talent punish them? They don't want to do that in the first place, hence their rampant collusion.

 

Fellas, I'm beginning to suspect that sports are not quite as complicated as we make them out to be. The fundamental principles of batting, pitching, and fielding haven't really changed, everyone's doing the same thing. I don't think the Astros really needed their entire legion of McKinsey consultants for someone to say "yeah why don't we just steal information." This is probably true in non-baseball industries as well.

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1 hour ago, the admiral said:

I don't think the Astros really needed their entire legion of McKinsey consultants for someone to say "yeah why don't we just steal information." This is probably true in non-baseball industries as well.

 

What's funny is that the world has evolved so much since the games were invented - literally everybody in the stadium today has a device in their pocket that's more powerful than all of the machines that managed the guidance and operations of the rockets that went to the freaking moon - but the leagues expect for everything 'between the lines' to exist just like it did 100 years ago.

 

"Hey, the guy sitting in the outfield bleachers has this little camera on his cap that can zoom in 100x at 12million pixels - what if he tries to use it to get our signs?"  

"Don't worry, we'll just tell him not to."

 

That's just stupid.  Evolve.  Figure out better ways of relaying information.  Use technology.  I'm not suggesting that the bench coach sends text messages to the players telling them where to position themselves, but there's ways.  Like the watch app I suggested earlier.  It doesn't need to be a literal "smart watch", but something tuned for a very specific task - relaying information from catcher to pitcher and from bench to fielders.  If someone figures out a way to hack that signal, then they're subject to any laws around intercepting signals.  If someone figures out how to aim a camera lens on someone's watch, then put a privacy screen on it.  Whatever.  Just don't defend against technology by pretending it's not there.

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11 hours ago, BringBackTheVet said:

 

What's funny is that the world has evolved so much since the games were invented - literally everybody in the stadium today has a device in their pocket that's more powerful than all of the machines that managed the guidance and operations of the rockets that went to the freaking moon - but the leagues expect for everything 'between the lines' to exist just like it did 100 years ago.

 

"Hey, the guy sitting in the outfield bleachers has this little camera on his cap that can zoom in 100x at 12million pixels - what if he tries to use it to get our signs?"  

"Don't worry, we'll just tell him not to."

 

That's just stupid.  Evolve.  Figure out better ways of relaying information.  Use technology.  I'm not suggesting that the bench coach sends text messages to the players telling them where to position themselves, but there's ways.  Like the watch app I suggested earlier.  It doesn't need to be a literal "smart watch", but something tuned for a very specific task - relaying information from catcher to pitcher and from bench to fielders.  If someone figures out a way to hack that signal, then they're subject to any laws around intercepting signals.  If someone figures out how to aim a camera lens on someone's watch, then put a privacy screen on it.  Whatever.  Just don't defend against technology by pretending it's not there.

Well there are reasons players and coaches have in the CBA clauses that state they are to not use electronic devices during, and a certain time before and after games. It’s mainly to blackout social media but regardless they shouldn’t be using live feeds to get an unfair advantage.

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You can’t police that though. Sure if someone’s watching on an iPad in the dugout then it’s easy, but there’s a million other ways to get around it. At some point they need to be pragmatic and just accept that it’s out there and come up with a practical way to combat it.  I don’t see a situation where the second baseman takes a line drive to the face because he was looking down at his phone checking Facebook, but maybe he looks at his wrist and sees red or blue or green and that tells him to be at double-play depth or that a pitchout is coming. 

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33 minutes ago, BringBackTheVet said:

You can’t police that though. Sure if someone’s watching on an iPad in the dugout then it’s easy, but there’s a million other ways to get around it. At some point they need to be pragmatic and just accept that it’s out there and come up with a practical way to combat it.  I don’t see a situation where the second baseman takes a line drive to the face because he was looking down at his phone checking Facebook, but maybe he looks at his wrist and sees red or blue or green and that tells him to be at double-play depth or that a pitchout is coming. 

They most certainly can fight it through fines and suspensions if you violate it. There is a reason why no one else did this because it most certainly breaks the rules. Players and coaches get fined for forgetting to take their apple watches on off days in the dugout/sideline. Using an additional feed for someone in the dugout to watch for signals and then tip the batter with a clearly audible banging goes against the integrity of the game and should be outlawed.

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Am I the only one who just can't bring myself to care very much about sign-stealing? This seems low on the list of Astros offenses of recent years. I think the bang-on-a-can thing is pretty clever, actually. All the spreadsheets and charts and Tableau visualizations that the stats gurus in the FO are ginning up, but good old analog audio signals are still tops.

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19 minutes ago, Digby said:

Am I the only one who just can't bring myself to care very much about sign-stealing? This seems low on the list of Astros offenses of recent years. I think the bang-on-a-can thing is pretty clever, actually. All the spreadsheets and charts and Tableau visualizations that the stats gurus in the FO are ginning up, but good old analog audio signals are still tops.

You're not the only one. I think the "offense" is lame.

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7 hours ago, dont care said:

They most certainly can fight it through fines and suspensions if you violate it. There is a reason why no one else did this because it most certainly breaks the rules. Players and coaches get fined for forgetting to take their apple watches on off days in the dugout/sideline. Using an additional feed for someone in the dugout to watch for signals and then tip the batter with a clearly audible banging goes against the integrity of the game and should be outlawed.

 

 I guarantee you other teams did it.  Every year, some good team is accused of it.  Hell, the Phillies were accused like 10 years ago, and IIRC didn't really deny it, it just kinda went away.

 

Raising the penalties is a passive approach.  By the time you get to the penal phase, the damage is already done and some team got their World Series championship (and some team got hosed.)  Doubt they care much about a $5M fine at that point.  Even if you raise the penalties and increase the policing, the law breakers are just going to get better.

 

It's best to just prevent it from happening, rather than to react after it does.  The only way to prevent it is to invent new ways of relaying the signs.  I don't know what the best options are, but I'm not naive enough to think that penalties are a deterrent.  

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On 11/14/2019 at 7:27 PM, BringBackTheVet said:

 

 I guarantee you other teams did it.  Every year, some good team is accused of it.  Hell, the Phillies were accused like 10 years ago, and IIRC didn't really deny it, it just kinda went away.

 

Raising the penalties is a passive approach.  By the time you get to the penal phase, the damage is already done and some team got their World Series championship (and some team got hosed.)  Doubt they care much about a $5M fine at that point.  Even if you raise the penalties and increase the policing, the law breakers are just going to get better.

 

It's best to just prevent it from happening, rather than to react after it does.  The only way to prevent it is to invent new ways of relaying the signs.  I don't know what the best options are, but I'm not naive enough to think that penalties are a deterrent.  

Penalties aren’t passive. Penalties aren’t only meant to punish the offender but to deter others. By all accounts this is going to be the worst punishment the MLB will give to a club in a long time. You don’t think a penalty where there are multi-million dollar fines and then say the manager gets suspended for half a year will deter another team from trying this?

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The Felipe Vázquez story just got more awful.

 

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Vázquez had his preliminary hearing today and he was hit with more than 20 new felony charges, including 10 counts of child pornography charges and 10 counts of unlawful contact.

According to the criminal complaint, when investigators served a search warrant and seized Vázquez’s electronic devices from his home in Pittsburgh, they allegedly found multiple photographs and videos of an underage female in “various stages of nudity.”

 

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https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/os-sp-baseball-orlando-1120-20191119-t2qlhg3p7bh4lgehb62e3y6ylq-story.html

 

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Orlando Magic co-founder Pat Williams is pursuing bringing Major League Baseball to Orlando, a source confirmed to the Orlando Sentinel.

Williams and his associates will hold a press conference at 11 a.m. Wednesday to discuss their plans.

The news release touting the press conference stated it is being held, "because Orlando has been ready for this for a long time.”

When Williams, 79, retired from the Magic in April after more than 50 years in professional sports, he said he still had many endeavors he wanted to pursue.

“Even though I’m retiring from basketball, I’m not retiring from life,” Williams said..

This wouldn’t be the first time Williams tried to bring big-league baseball to Orlando. In 1990, he recruited billionaire Amway co-founder Rich DeVos to lead Orlando’s effort to get a Major League Baseball expansion team in Orlando. When that effort failed, DeVos instead bought the Magic from the team’s original ownership group.

 

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39 minutes ago, the admiral said:

Orlando Rays could work, I like it a hell of a lot better than half-moving to Montreal. I'd be interested to see how the Tampa fanbase takes it, feels a lot like Chargers East. Has a team ever relocated within the constraints of its regional sports network territory?

 

Would the 49ers count?  It's roughly the same distance away from their current home as Orando would be... of course they didn't change their name.

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