Wings Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 It's time to bring sports down!!!!! Set it all on fire!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 18 hours ago, Bucfan56 said: Kill me Being unable to stab myself in the kidneys, kicking myself in the dick was the only direction I could go ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 47 minutes ago, BringBackTheVet said: Lol can’t exclude a team from free agency unless you want the players’ union to sue the everliving f out of the league. Yeah, really. How does preventing a team from paying above market value for talent punish them? They don't want to do that in the first place, hence their rampant collusion. Fellas, I'm beginning to suspect that sports are not quite as complicated as we make them out to be. The fundamental principles of batting, pitching, and fielding haven't really changed, everyone's doing the same thing. I don't think the Astros really needed their entire legion of McKinsey consultants for someone to say "yeah why don't we just steal information." This is probably true in non-baseball industries as well. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 1 hour ago, the admiral said: I don't think the Astros really needed their entire legion of McKinsey consultants for someone to say "yeah why don't we just steal information." This is probably true in non-baseball industries as well. What's funny is that the world has evolved so much since the games were invented - literally everybody in the stadium today has a device in their pocket that's more powerful than all of the machines that managed the guidance and operations of the rockets that went to the freaking moon - but the leagues expect for everything 'between the lines' to exist just like it did 100 years ago. "Hey, the guy sitting in the outfield bleachers has this little camera on his cap that can zoom in 100x at 12million pixels - what if he tries to use it to get our signs?" "Don't worry, we'll just tell him not to." That's just stupid. Evolve. Figure out better ways of relaying information. Use technology. I'm not suggesting that the bench coach sends text messages to the players telling them where to position themselves, but there's ways. Like the watch app I suggested earlier. It doesn't need to be a literal "smart watch", but something tuned for a very specific task - relaying information from catcher to pitcher and from bench to fielders. If someone figures out a way to hack that signal, then they're subject to any laws around intercepting signals. If someone figures out how to aim a camera lens on someone's watch, then put a privacy screen on it. Whatever. Just don't defend against technology by pretending it's not there. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Six Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 The Giants are poop. Zaidi just wanted his buddy from when they were with the Dodgers. Fine. The team is going nowhere the next couple years anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont care Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 11 hours ago, BringBackTheVet said: What's funny is that the world has evolved so much since the games were invented - literally everybody in the stadium today has a device in their pocket that's more powerful than all of the machines that managed the guidance and operations of the rockets that went to the freaking moon - but the leagues expect for everything 'between the lines' to exist just like it did 100 years ago. "Hey, the guy sitting in the outfield bleachers has this little camera on his cap that can zoom in 100x at 12million pixels - what if he tries to use it to get our signs?" "Don't worry, we'll just tell him not to." That's just stupid. Evolve. Figure out better ways of relaying information. Use technology. I'm not suggesting that the bench coach sends text messages to the players telling them where to position themselves, but there's ways. Like the watch app I suggested earlier. It doesn't need to be a literal "smart watch", but something tuned for a very specific task - relaying information from catcher to pitcher and from bench to fielders. If someone figures out a way to hack that signal, then they're subject to any laws around intercepting signals. If someone figures out how to aim a camera lens on someone's watch, then put a privacy screen on it. Whatever. Just don't defend against technology by pretending it's not there. Well there are reasons players and coaches have in the CBA clauses that state they are to not use electronic devices during, and a certain time before and after games. It’s mainly to blackout social media but regardless they shouldn’t be using live feeds to get an unfair advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 You can’t police that though. Sure if someone’s watching on an iPad in the dugout then it’s easy, but there’s a million other ways to get around it. At some point they need to be pragmatic and just accept that it’s out there and come up with a practical way to combat it. I don’t see a situation where the second baseman takes a line drive to the face because he was looking down at his phone checking Facebook, but maybe he looks at his wrist and sees red or blue or green and that tells him to be at double-play depth or that a pitchout is coming. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont care Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 33 minutes ago, BringBackTheVet said: You can’t police that though. Sure if someone’s watching on an iPad in the dugout then it’s easy, but there’s a million other ways to get around it. At some point they need to be pragmatic and just accept that it’s out there and come up with a practical way to combat it. I don’t see a situation where the second baseman takes a line drive to the face because he was looking down at his phone checking Facebook, but maybe he looks at his wrist and sees red or blue or green and that tells him to be at double-play depth or that a pitchout is coming. They most certainly can fight it through fines and suspensions if you violate it. There is a reason why no one else did this because it most certainly breaks the rules. Players and coaches get fined for forgetting to take their apple watches on off days in the dugout/sideline. Using an additional feed for someone in the dugout to watch for signals and then tip the batter with a clearly audible banging goes against the integrity of the game and should be outlawed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digby Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Am I the only one who just can't bring myself to care very much about sign-stealing? This seems low on the list of Astros offenses of recent years. I think the bang-on-a-can thing is pretty clever, actually. All the spreadsheets and charts and Tableau visualizations that the stats gurus in the FO are ginning up, but good old analog audio signals are still tops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayMac Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 19 minutes ago, Digby said: Am I the only one who just can't bring myself to care very much about sign-stealing? This seems low on the list of Astros offenses of recent years. I think the bang-on-a-can thing is pretty clever, actually. All the spreadsheets and charts and Tableau visualizations that the stats gurus in the FO are ginning up, but good old analog audio signals are still tops. You're not the only one. I think the "offense" is lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still MIGHTY Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Southern California is your baseball capital today: NL MVP: Cody Bellinger AL MVP: Michael Nelson Trout | ANA | LAA | LAR | LAL | ASU | CSULB | USMNT | USWNT | LAFC | OCSC | MAN UTD | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins93 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Still MIGHTY said: AL MVP: Michael Nelson Trout I'm really ecstatic about this. I thought that Bregman was going to win MVP for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 7 hours ago, dont care said: They most certainly can fight it through fines and suspensions if you violate it. There is a reason why no one else did this because it most certainly breaks the rules. Players and coaches get fined for forgetting to take their apple watches on off days in the dugout/sideline. Using an additional feed for someone in the dugout to watch for signals and then tip the batter with a clearly audible banging goes against the integrity of the game and should be outlawed. I guarantee you other teams did it. Every year, some good team is accused of it. Hell, the Phillies were accused like 10 years ago, and IIRC didn't really deny it, it just kinda went away. Raising the penalties is a passive approach. By the time you get to the penal phase, the damage is already done and some team got their World Series championship (and some team got hosed.) Doubt they care much about a $5M fine at that point. Even if you raise the penalties and increase the policing, the law breakers are just going to get better. It's best to just prevent it from happening, rather than to react after it does. The only way to prevent it is to invent new ways of relaying the signs. I don't know what the best options are, but I'm not naive enough to think that penalties are a deterrent. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 On 11/14/2019 at 4:14 PM, Still MIGHTY said: Southern California is your baseball capital today: NL MVP: Cody Bellinger AL MVP: Michael Nelson Trout And zero World Series titles among them! On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont care Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Bucfan56 said: And zero World Series titles among them! Glad someone said it. But at the same time there has to be no bigger waste of talent than the angels never having a team to get mike trout out of the basement int their division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont care Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 On 11/14/2019 at 7:27 PM, BringBackTheVet said: I guarantee you other teams did it. Every year, some good team is accused of it. Hell, the Phillies were accused like 10 years ago, and IIRC didn't really deny it, it just kinda went away. Raising the penalties is a passive approach. By the time you get to the penal phase, the damage is already done and some team got their World Series championship (and some team got hosed.) Doubt they care much about a $5M fine at that point. Even if you raise the penalties and increase the policing, the law breakers are just going to get better. It's best to just prevent it from happening, rather than to react after it does. The only way to prevent it is to invent new ways of relaying the signs. I don't know what the best options are, but I'm not naive enough to think that penalties are a deterrent. Penalties aren’t passive. Penalties aren’t only meant to punish the offender but to deter others. By all accounts this is going to be the worst punishment the MLB will give to a club in a long time. You don’t think a penalty where there are multi-million dollar fines and then say the manager gets suspended for half a year will deter another team from trying this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFGiants58 Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 The Felipe Vázquez story just got more awful. Quote Vázquez had his preliminary hearing today and he was hit with more than 20 new felony charges, including 10 counts of child pornography charges and 10 counts of unlawful contact. According to the criminal complaint, when investigators served a search warrant and seized Vázquez’s electronic devices from his home in Pittsburgh, they allegedly found multiple photographs and videos of an underage female in “various stages of nudity.” MLB: Project 32 (Complete), MLB: The Defunct Saga (Complete) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/os-sp-baseball-orlando-1120-20191119-t2qlhg3p7bh4lgehb62e3y6ylq-story.html Quote Orlando Magic co-founder Pat Williams is pursuing bringing Major League Baseball to Orlando, a source confirmed to the Orlando Sentinel. Williams and his associates will hold a press conference at 11 a.m. Wednesday to discuss their plans. The news release touting the press conference stated it is being held, "because Orlando has been ready for this for a long time.” When Williams, 79, retired from the Magic in April after more than 50 years in professional sports, he said he still had many endeavors he wanted to pursue. “Even though I’m retiring from basketball, I’m not retiring from life,” Williams said.. This wouldn’t be the first time Williams tried to bring big-league baseball to Orlando. In 1990, he recruited billionaire Amway co-founder Rich DeVos to lead Orlando’s effort to get a Major League Baseball expansion team in Orlando. When that effort failed, DeVos instead bought the Magic from the team’s original ownership group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Orlando Rays could work, I like it a hell of a lot better than half-moving to Montreal. I'd be interested to see how the Tampa fanbase takes it, feels a lot like Chargers East. Has a team ever relocated within the constraints of its regional sports network territory? ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 39 minutes ago, the admiral said: Orlando Rays could work, I like it a hell of a lot better than half-moving to Montreal. I'd be interested to see how the Tampa fanbase takes it, feels a lot like Chargers East. Has a team ever relocated within the constraints of its regional sports network territory? Would the 49ers count? It's roughly the same distance away from their current home as Orando would be... of course they didn't change their name. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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