Stadium/Arena Saga Omnibus

[tigerslionspistonshabs]

I'm really hoping they work something out and stick around. I've always had a soft spot for the A's.

[FiddySicks]

And I’m really hoping they don’t. People are severely underestimating just how few A’s fans are left in general, let alone in the Bay Area. What’s it gonna look like when they have this 12 billion dollar stadium project (:censored:in roflmao at even the thought of that ever happening, but still) and people still don’t show up for games? The stadium issue is absolutely the A’s most pressing issue, but it damn sure isn’t their only problem. They have DECADES of rebuilding left to do just to get that fanbase back up to competing with the rest of the league. The idea that A’s fans are going to come pouring out of the woods once a new stadium is built is wrong, and frankly, really stupid. 

[Red Comet]

On 6/29/2022 at 9:47 AM, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

 

It is right to be annoyed at the presence of an NHL team in Las Vegas as opposed to a Canadian city.

 

It is also right to hope that the A's do not move to Las Vegas (or anywhere else), so that an original American League team does not have to endure its third relocation and does not end a stint in Oakland that has now surpassed the amount of time that the team was in Philadelphia.

 

Anyone with an appreciation for history would understand these feelings.

 

Yeah, and if wishes were fishes we’d all have fins. History? It’s a business, man. If they could put a team on the Moon they would’ve done so already. 

[tigers]

On 6/28/2022 at 3:27 PM, Cujo said:

 

 

[WestCoastBias]

3 hours ago, FiddySicks said:

And I’m really hoping they don’t. People are severely underestimating just how few A’s fans are left in general, let alone in the Bay Area. What’s it gonna look like when they have this 12 billion dollar stadium project (:censored:in roflmao at even the thought of that ever happening, but still) and people still don’t show up for games? The stadium issue is absolutely the A’s most pressing issue, but it damn sure isn’t their only problem. They have DECADES of rebuilding left to do just to get that fanbase back up to competing with the rest of the league. The idea that A’s fans are going to come pouring out of the woods once a new stadium is built is wrong, and frankly, really stupid. 

 

I know numerous A's fans that are sick of the owners crap and refusing to go to games or buy gear this year. While I question that approach as it gives the team an out that they don't have enough fans in Oakland, it is a thing that is happening. 

[Gary]

33 minutes ago, tigers said:

 

 

 

 

[Ferdinand Cesarano]

1 hour ago, Red Comet said:

If they could put a team on the Moon they would’ve done so already.

 

That's fine, as long as it's a new expansion team (or the Rays).

[GDAWG]

 

[BBTV]

10 hours ago, Red Comet said:

It’s a business, man. If they could put a team on the Moon they would’ve done so already. 

 

The moon has a population of 0, so it's unlikely the stadium would be filled, and local broadcast rights would be around 0, give or take 0.  Even if the technology exited to put an American League team on the moon and have it not take a week to get to New York for a series with the Yankees, it wouldn't be a sound business decision.

 

Let's get London done before we tackle the moon.

[McCall]

25 minutes ago, BBTV said:

 

The moon has a population of 0, so it's unlikely the stadium would be filled, and local broadcast rights would be around 0, give or take 0.  Even if the technology exited to put an American League team on the moon and have it not take a week to get to New York for a series with the Yankees, it wouldn't be a sound business decision.

 

Let's get London done before we tackle the moon.

More available parking on the moon.

[BBTV]

15 minutes ago, McCall said:

More available parking on the moon.

Thats a fair point, but I’m against stadiums that aren’t accessible via public mass transit, so unless there’s a subway or street car line built (which is challenging without streets), I still can’t support the idea of a Moon team. Maybe in a year all these things will be worked out. 

[gosioux76]

1 hour ago, BBTV said:

Thats a fair point, but I’m against stadiums that aren’t accessible via public mass transit, so unless there’s a subway or street car line built (which is challenging without streets), I still can’t support the idea of a Moon team. Maybe in a year all these things will be worked out. 

 

But isn't the argument for every public stadium deal that building it will become a catalyst for future development? So all we need to do is build a stadium on the moon to provoke development of a moon mass transit system! 

 

I mean, how can it go wrong?

 

Now for team names: I'm all in on Moon Walkers.

[FiddySicks]

12 hours ago, WestCoastBias said:

 

I know numerous A's fans that are sick of the owners crap and refusing to go to games or buy gear this year. While I question that approach as it gives the team an out that they don't have enough fans in Oakland, it is a thing that is happening. 

Well, here’s the thing with that. While I’m sure some people are doing this as a protest this year, I know even more people who just got sick of it all and walked away years ago (I’m one of them). Either switched to watching the Giants, another team outside of the market, or just said you know what? Baseball is boring anyway and I think I’ll just find other interests. That crowd isn’t coming back because of a shiny new stadium. The A’s have basically been gaslighting their fanbase and the greater Bay Area for four decades now and are really underestimating the damage they’ve done. There’s a stench attached to that franchise at this point and enough hurt feelings amongst their fans that a new stadium isn’t going to rectify. 

[Red Comet]

4 hours ago, BBTV said:

 

The moon has a population of 0, so it's unlikely the stadium would be filled, and local broadcast rights would be around 0, give or take 0.  Even if the technology exited to put an American League team on the moon and have it not take a week to get to New York for a series with the Yankees, it wouldn't be a sound business decision.

 

Let's get London done before we tackle the moon.

Thanks for explaining the joke, my tiny Middle American brain didn’t know there was no one on the Moon.

[gosioux76]

1 hour ago, FiddySicks said:

Well, here’s the thing with that. While I’m sure some people are doing this as a protest this year, I know even more people who just got sick of it all and walked away years ago (I’m one of them). Either switched to watching the Giants, another team outside of the market, or just said you know what? Baseball is boring anyway and I think I’ll just find other interests. That crowd isn’t coming back because of a shiny new stadium. The A’s have basically been gaslighting their fanbase and the greater Bay Area for four decades now and are really underestimating the damage they’ve done. There’s a stench attached to that franchise at this point and enough hurt feelings amongst their fans that a new stadium isn’t going to rectify. 

 

You don't think that changes if Billy Beane does one of his semi-miraculous turnarounds where he finds 9 guys you've never heard of and turns them into contenders? I'm a purist when it comes to the "winning cures everything" theory, but I certainly believes it carries some curative properties. The A's, if anything, have proven to be resilient over the years when it comes to competing.  

[ManillaToad]

47 minutes ago, gosioux76 said:

 

You don't think that changes if Billy Beane does one of his semi-miraculous turnarounds where he finds 9 guys you've never heard of and turns them into contenders?

 

I don't think another first round exit is going to fill a stadium, no

[tBBP]

On 6/28/2022 at 11:21 PM, who do you think said:

As far as Vegas goes - assuming that MLB does indeed shove this move through in the manner of someone body-checking a couch through a tight doorway - the bottom is gonna fall out on somebody there at some point if leagues keep moving in just because it's trendy. CSA of only 2.3 million people, nothing but desert beyond that, volatile local economy based almost entirely on tourism and hedonism, and yeah that water thing. Also Vegas just put up a new AAA stadium, what would happen to that if they went and slapped down some Globe Life Park monstrosity?

 

From an urban planning and community development perspective, that's the thing that concerns me the most. At the current clip, Lake Mead might well become Crater Mead relatively soon. (Tangentially related, even up here in South Dakota it seems as if water levels are drying up...and there's a whole freaking river cutting the state in half. And that's to say nothing about the falls that give my current place of residence its name.) So unless Vegas plabs to start raffling off the water in the Bellagio's fountain in the next several years, I don't see how that can be anything near sustainable. 

 

On 6/28/2022 at 11:21 PM, who do you think said:

I've said it before but both these teams (Rays and A's) have been in limbo forever now. If there was any decent place for them to go that actually wanted them, they'd be there already. Bud Selig was publicly crapping on O.co and calling the franchise unviable without a new stadium twenty years ago!

 

Ha...the RA'ys!

 

Actually, I really do have a question about that, for the smart guys on this forum (of which I am not--at least in this wheelhouse, anyway): how likely could it be, or would it even be possible, for the Rays and As to pull a Steagles or Card-Pitt from way back in the day and actually merge?? I mean, apparently neither franchise is getting much of anywhere in getting a new ballpark, one seems to have pretty good fan support from TV but not at the gates while the other can't get a stadium or it's fans back (from what I've read in here)...they're on both coasts (for now), so could merging them & moving them to the middle somewhere (Vegas, Montreal, Nashville, wherever) ever actually happen?

 

(I legit don't know the viability of something like this; just figured I'd do like one user's name says and throw u a scenario...)

 

On 6/29/2022 at 11:05 AM, McCall said:

For the first time in their 5-year history, y'know.

 

Has it been that long already?? Seems like just last year when I stood outside that then-newly-constructed glasshouse contemplating going in there to see a game (versus the Avalanche, I might add--in which VGK proceeded to get straight smashed to the tune of 6-1 or something like that)...where does the time go??

[GDAWG]

54 minutes ago, tBBP said:

 

From an urban planning and community development perspective, that's the thing that concerns me the most. At the current clip, Lake Mead might well become Crater Mead relatively soon. (Tangentially related, even up here in South Dakota it seems as if water levels are drying up...and there's a whole freaking river cutting the state in half. And that's to say nothing about the falls that give my current place of residence its name.) So unless Vegas plabs to start raffling off the water in the Bellagio's fountain in the next several years, I don't see how that can be anything near sustainable. 

 

 

Ha...the RA'ys!

 

Actually, I really do have a question about that, for the smart guys on this forum (of which I am not--at least in this wheelhouse, anyway): how likely could it be, or would it even be possible, for the Rays and As to pull a Steagles or Card-Pitt from way back in the day and actually merge?? I mean, apparently neither franchise is getting much of anywhere in getting a new ballpark, one seems to have pretty good fan support from TV but not at the gates while the other can't get a stadium or it's fans back (from what I've read in here)...they're on both coasts (for now), so could merging them & moving them to the middle somewhere (Vegas, Montreal, Nashville, wherever) ever actually happen?

 

(I legit don't know the viability of something like this; just figured I'd do like one user's name says and throw u a scenario...)

 

 

Has it been that long already?? Seems like just last year when I stood outside that then-newly-constructed glasshouse contemplating going in there to see a game (versus the Avalanche, I might add--in which VGK proceeded to get straight smashed to the tune of 6-1 or something like that)...where does the time go??

 

I highly doubt the MLBPA will allow both teams to merge.

[BBTV]

3 hours ago, GDAWG said:

 

I highly doubt the MLBPA will allow both teams to merge.

 

The only way the discussion even starts is if teams agree to expand rosters by 1 to make up for the lost team, and the combined team would probably have to agree to some payroll floor clause so that there's at least the same amount of $ going to the same # of players league-wide post merge.

 

I'm pretty opposed to expanded rosters, especially now with universal DH, but it may be a better alternative to having two teams like this.  It would probably be better if they could fold 4 into 2, rather than 2 into 1.

[Sec19Row53]

7 hours ago, tBBP said:

 

Ha...the RA'ys!

 

Actually, I really do have a question about that, for the smart guys on this forum (of which I am not--at least in this wheelhouse, anyway): how likely could it be, or would it even be possible, for the Rays and As to pull a Steagles or Card-Pitt from way back in the day and actually merge?? I mean, apparently neither franchise is getting much of anywhere in getting a new ballpark, one seems to have pretty good fan support from TV but not at the gates while the other can't get a stadium or it's fans back (from what I've read in here)...they're on both coasts (for now), so could merging them & moving them to the middle somewhere (Vegas, Montreal, Nashville, wherever) ever actually happen?

 

(I legit don't know the viability of something like this; just figured I'd do like one user's name says and throw u a scenario...)

An odd number of teams is unworkable from a scheduling standpoint. Period. Itwould have to be an even number of teams contracted, and @BBTV pointed out some of those problems.