Stadium/Arena Saga Omnibus

[Sport]

8 hours ago, who do you think said:

 

I think we outnumber the actual Rays fans here. (as if that's a high bar to clear)

 

 

Even if that's true you're comparing fan support in a 9 game sample size versus Rays' fan support over an 81 game sample size. The fans of popular teams don't have "no problem" coming out, they just have far fewer games to choose from. If the Rays fans only had 9 games to choose from in a season it would also look like they have no problem coming out. You know that, though, because you removed that point from my post. 

[infrared41]

14 hours ago, infrared41 said:

On 3/8/2023 at 4:26 PM, Sport said:

Red Sox fans that live in Tampa aren't some magical breed of human better at driving to St Pete than Rays fans

 

Sure they are, just ask them.

 

As I was saying...

 

9 hours ago, who do you think said:

On 3/8/2023 at 4:26 PM, Sport said:

Red Sox fans that live in Tampa aren't some magical breed of human better at driving to St Pete than Rays fans

 

I think we outnumber the actual Rays fans here. (as if that's a high bar to clear

 

 

[MJWalker45]

On 3/7/2023 at 6:21 AM, BBTV said:

Good teams can become bad teams overnight (and vice versa.)  I wouldn't even factor in the on-field success of a team (unless it's one with the sustained track record of maybe the Yankees, Cardinals, etc) in a relocation or contraction discussion.

 

If you contract them, then the people who made the on-field product good would be able to get jobs elsewhere and make someone else's product good.  It kinda nets out.

 

On 3/7/2023 at 6:45 AM, McCall said:

Two words: Major League Baseball Players Association.

I wonder if, in the present day, are MLB and the A's ownership as worried about butts in seats as they are about TV and streaming revenue. Looking at USFL and XFL football, I think you're looking at television companies that are happy to pay for sports programming and not as worried about butts in seats anymore. Granted, it also means the A's and Rays aren't getting national game of the week coverage unless they play teams that non-Rays and A's fans come in to watch, so Yankees, Red Sox and Dodgers. Moving into Vegas might get the Athletics more fans showing up on game day, but they'll also have to do a lot of night games unless they move into a dome. For the Rays, I'm surprised that a new stadium hasn't happened yet, but if the owners are overestimating what they can get without having to pay for, it makes perfect sense. 

[Maz]

I'm with those who aren't sure a new ballpark would help attendance if a team is still irrelevant. The Pirates are irrelevant and play in a widely-lauded downtown ballpark. Nobody still comes to games. Hell, if PNC wasn't part of a package deal with Heinz back in the late 90's, they'd likely have gone to DC years before the Expos did. And after that first year when the "new ballpark" novelty wore off... right back to crappy attendance.

 

A good stadium doesn't necessarily draw crowds when your team is irrelevant, it just keeps the team around a while longer, whether people care or not.

[monkeypower]

9 minutes ago, maz said:

I'm with those who aren't sure a new ballpark would help attendance if a team is still irrelevant. The Pirates are irrelevant and play in a widely-lauded downtown ballpark. Nobody still comes to games. Hell, if PNC wasn't part of a package deal with Heinz back in the late 90's, they'd likely have gone to DC years before the Expos did. And after that first year when the "new ballpark" novelty wore off... right back to crappy attendance.

 

A good stadium doesn't necessarily draw crowds when your team is irrelevant, it just keeps the team around a while longer, whether people care or not.

 

Semi-related, I was in Pittsburgh in October for the Jets game and went to two Pirates games that same trip. PNC is so great. Everything that people say about it is correct.

 

It made me realize the Pirates situation sucks. They got a great set-up and a great brand and a great history and they should be good. I was looking around there and realized I could be a Pirates fan if the Angels weren't around, but the org stinks.

[GDAWG]

 

[Sec19Row53]

6 hours ago, MJWalker45 said:

 

I wonder if, in the present day, are MLB and the A's ownership as worried about butts in seats as they are about TV and streaming revenue. Looking at USFL and XFL football, I think you're looking at television companies that are happy to pay for sports programming and not as worried about butts in seats anymore. Granted, it also means the A's and Rays aren't getting national game of the week coverage unless they play teams that non-Rays and A's fans come in to watch, so Yankees, Red Sox and Dodgers. Moving into Vegas might get the Athletics more fans showing up on game day, but they'll also have to do a lot of night games unless they move into a dome. For the Rays, I'm surprised that a new stadium hasn't happened yet, but if the owners are overestimating what they can get without having to pay for, it makes perfect sense. 

You lose me at the point that you try to compare what an MLB, NFL, NBA, and possibly NHL team do compared to any other league or sport. I don't think the comparison is valid because the finances are totally different.

[VampyrRabbit]

3 hours ago, GDAWG said:

 

I think the A's are leaving Oakland. The top brass have been sandbagging for two seasons and are probably going to have a second 100 loss season in a row, they just needed a site in Vegas and now it looks like they have found one.

Calling it now - The announcement for the move to Vegas will happen in either May or June.

[FiddySicks]

Imagine leaving a market like the Bay Area to play third (probably soon to be fourth once the NBA expands) fiddle in a desert wasteland filled with transients and no water. Good :censored:in luck, you clowns. 

[who do you think]

16 hours ago, Sport said:

Even if that's true you're comparing fan support in a 9 game sample size versus Rays' fan support over an 81 game sample size. The fans of popular teams don't have "no problem" coming out, they just have far fewer games to choose from. If the Rays fans only had 9 games to choose from in a season it would also look like they have no problem coming out. You know that, though, because you removed that point from my post. 

 

 

15 hours ago, maz said:

I'm with those who aren't sure a new ballpark would help attendance if a team is still irrelevant. The Pirates are irrelevant and play in a widely-lauded downtown ballpark. Nobody still comes to games. Hell, if PNC wasn't part of a package deal with Heinz back in the late 90's, they'd likely have gone to DC years before the Expos did. And after that first year when the "new ballpark" novelty wore off... right back to crappy attendance.

 

A good stadium doesn't necessarily draw crowds when your team is irrelevant, it just keeps the team around a while longer, whether people care or not.

 

Unlike the Rays and A's, who never go more than a few years between playoff berths, Pirates fans have good reason to be pissed off and disengaged. Save for 3 and a half random seasons last decade, nobody under the age of 35 remembers that franchise being anything other than a willing and consenting cumdumpster for the rest of baseball.

 

But noooooo you can't just stealth merge them with the Rays and give them actual scouts and a player development program, teams for nobody that are really good at winning 88 games a year with no money and no fans are sacred and must be preserved!

[WestCoastBias]

3 hours ago, FiddySicks said:

Imagine leaving a market like the Bay Area to play third (probably soon to be fourth once the NBA expands) fiddle in a desert wasteland filled with transients and no water. Good :censored:in luck, you clowns. 

Truly a shame. 

 

We should start taking bets for which Vegas team will be the first to relocate? 

[VampyrRabbit]

20 hours ago, FiddySicks said:

Imagine leaving a market like the Bay Area to play third (probably soon to be fourth once the NBA expands) fiddle in a desert wasteland filled with transients and no water. Good :censored:in luck, you clowns. 

They probably would be fifth if Vegas got an MLS franchise. Hell, sixth if you take UFC into equation, which in Vegas is more or less equivalent to a major league team.

With the very likely possibility of the team racking up their second 100 loss season in a row,  why would any baseball fans in Vegas give a damn for the A's coming to their hometown? They've seen the same cheap as f*** owners sandbag since Manfred gave permission for them to explore relocation, and no guarantee that the owners aren't going to run the A's as cheaply in Vegas as they did in the East Bay.

 

[Sport]

6 hours ago, who do you think said:

 

 

 

 

All I needed to see. Knows he got caught making a dumb point, can't argue with math, so he resorts to memery. 

[ManillaToad]

I was enjoying his posts, but I can't support posting anime memes

[BBTV]

He's not really wrong though.

[GDAWG]

6 hours ago, VampyrRabbit said:

They probably would be fifth if Vegas got an MLS franchise. Hell, sixth if you take UFC into equation, which in Vegas is more or less equivalent to a major league team.

With the very likely possibility of the team racking up their second 100 loss season in a row,  why would any baseball fans in Vegas give a damn for the A's coming to their hometown? They've seen the same cheap as f*** owners sandbag since Manfred gave permission for them to explore relocation, and no guarentee that the owners aren't going to run the A's as cheaply in Vegas as they did in the East Bay.

 

 

Bryce Harper (Vegas native) said recently that Vegas would embrace an MLB expansion team instead of a relocated A's.  

[FiddySicks]

10 hours ago, VampyrRabbit said:

They probably would be fifth if Vegas got an MLS franchise. Hell, sixth if you take UFC into equation, which in Vegas is more or less equivalent to a major league team.

With the very likely possibility of the team racking up their second 100 loss season in a row,  why would any baseball fans in Vegas give a damn for the A's coming to their hometown? They've seen the same cheap as f*** owners sandbag since Manfred gave permission for them to explore relocation, and no guarentee that the owners aren't going to run the A's as cheaply in Vegas as they did in the East Bay.

 

This. Right here. People seem to think the A’s are going to miraculously start putting more money towards the on field product if they get this sweetheart deal in Vegas. They absolutely will not. This ownership group will just pocket any of the extra revenue like they’re doing now. The only thing that’s actually going to fix this is if the owners sell the team or they’re just contracted. 

[BBTV]

10 hours ago, GDAWG said:

 

Bryce Harper (Vegas native) said recently that Vegas would embrace an MLB expansion team instead of a relocated A's.  

 

Cleveland deal.  Problem solved.

[who do you think]

22 hours ago, WestCoastBias said:

Truly a shame. 

 

We should start taking bets for which Vegas team will be the first to relocate? 

 

Hard to say. The A's (if they go there) would appear to be the obvious answer, but if Vegas builds them a new baseball-specific airplane hangar it will become a Marlins situation and we/they will be stuck with them.

 

15 hours ago, Sport said:

All I needed to see. Knows he got caught making a dumb point, can't argue with math, so he resorts to memery. 

 

A nine-game slate of Rays games at the Trop would still be a desert if you kept opposing fans from attending. I'll let you try and figure out why. Put on your thinking scarf.

 

(Or just continue spamming "math, sweetie" like an incurious twitteroid, in which case I'll get more memes ready.)

 

14 hours ago, ManillaToad said:

I was enjoying his posts, but I can't support posting anime memes

 

Maybe I shouldn't have posted it, but only because it clearly distracted anyone from finishing the cumdumpster/Bob Nutting alley-oop that I offered up.

[McCall]

7 hours ago, who do you think said:

 

Hard to say. The A's (if they go there) would appear to be the obvious answer, but if Vegas builds them a new baseball-specific airplane hangar it will become a Marlins situation and we/they will be stuck with them.

 

 

A nine-game slate of Rays games at the Trop would still be a desert if you kept opposing fans from attending. I'll let you try and figure out why. Put on your thinking scarf.

 

(Or just continue spamming "math, sweetie" like an incurious twitteroid, in which case I'll get more memes ready.)

 

 

Maybe I shouldn't have posted it, but only because it clearly distracted anyone from finishing the cumdumpster/Bob Nutting alley-oop that I offered up.