Stadium/Arena Saga Omnibus

[GDAWG]

2 hours ago, Brian in Boston said:

Maureen O’Hara’s final  theatrical release. And, man… how I miss John Candy. Terrific cast overall, really: Ally Sheedy, Anthony Quinn, Kevin Dunn, Jim Belushi, Milo O’Shea, Bert Remsen.

 

I had read that if Candy was still alive today, he would do more dramatic stuff and most likely would have followed Bill Murray's path in terms of comedic films (ie appearances in Wes Anderson films).

[leopard88]

15 hours ago, infrared41 said:

 

It didn't hurt that every other movie in the 80s and early 90s was set in Chicago and the Cubs were in all of them. Rob Lowe (or something just like him) made being a Cubs fan look cool.

 

Underrated . . . 

 

[Dilbert]

Then there is this national treasure

[Sport]

Always felt bad for the White Sox growing up because their drought was basically just as long as the Cubs and Red Sox, but they never got any of the same sympathy or cache. And when they finally won a World Series it happened to come the year after the Red Sox and everyone nationally was like "This again? We just did this. *snooze*" Even their name is a boring version of a more well-known brand. This is why I've always kind of liked them. Plus the black and white hats are Top 2 in baseball. 

 

I don't think Reinsdorf is serious about moving or serious about anything. They're the 16th most valuable franchise in baseball where they sit and they have history and tradition you cannot buy. Moving to Nashville would make them the Kansas City A's. Don't move to Nashville. Nobody should. 

[infrared41]

1 hour ago, leopard88 said:

 

Underrated . . . 

 

 

I thought it was pretty solid. These days, it would probably sweep the Oscars - which says more about the current quality of movies than it does about the quality of About Last Night.

[infrared41]

42 minutes ago, Sport said:

Always felt bad for the White Sox growing up because their drought was basically just as long as the Cubs and Red Sox, but they never got any of the same sympathy or cache.

 

Three things always come to mind when I think of the White Sox.

 

All the different uniforms they've had.

 

Knuckleballer Wilbur Wood went 24-20 for the White Sox in 1973. Everyone made a big deal of him winning 20 and losing 20.

 

The SI cover with Dick Allen juggling while smoking a cigarette in the dugout.

 

 

 

 

[spartacat_12]

To keep the John Hughes Cubs train rolling

 

 

[Sport]

7 minutes ago, infrared41 said:

 

Three things always come to mind when I think of the White Sox.

 

All the different uniforms they've had.

 

Knuckleballer Wilbur Wood went 24-20 for the White Sox in 1973. Everyone made a big deal of him winning 20 and losing 20.

 

The SI cover with Dick Allen juggling while smoking a cigarette in the dugout.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm too young to remember the White Sox in red so the first time I saw it on a baseball card I went "WHHHHHHAATTT?" It's still wrong to my eyes. Had a similar experience when I learned the Penguins started off in light blue. Both teams current color schemes seem too perfect for them to have ever used anything else. 

[Sodboy13]

29 minutes ago, infrared41 said:

 

 

All the different uniforms they've had.

 

 

It is downright bonkers how they went from being a team that overhauled its uniforms every 3-5 seasons to one that has basically worn the same ones (excepting a few notable downgrades to the road set) for 33 years as of next month.

[Sport]

47 minutes ago, Sodboy13 said:

It is downright bonkers how they went from being a team that overhauled its uniforms every 3-5 seasons to one that has basically worn the same ones (excepting a few notable downgrades to the road set) for 33 years as of next month.

 

That they stopped wearing these pants is tragic. 

 

 

 

WHY

[LMU]

That and them replacing the sock patch with another SOX monogram.

[leopard88]

2 hours ago, infrared41 said:

 

I thought it was pretty solid. These days, it would probably sweep the Oscars - which says more about the current quality of movies than it does about the quality of About Last Night.

 

It would stand out just for not being about superheroes and/or including craptons of CGI . . . and the pre-breast enlargement shots of Demi Moore are nice (not that the after is bad).

[DCarp1231]

RE: White Sox in film

 

The Break-Up (2006)

[Sodboy13]

- The Stratton Story

- Eight Men Out

- Field of Dreams

 

Any others? Glimpse of the field in My Best Friend's Wedding?

[LMU]

Major League 2

 

[The_Admiral]

9 hours ago, RyanMcD29 said:

Are the White Sox kind of like the Mets in terms of the geographic and demographic split we have in New York? So like the Mets fanbase is mainly Irish and Jewish or you're from Queens or some of Long Island if you're not in a majority Italian neighborhood (and unsurprisingly the two demographics has a lot of the old Brooklyn Dodger fanbase) while the Yankees pretty much have everyone and everywhere else. Then for the White Sox's case replace Jewish with Black and Queens with the Southside.

 

I think of the Sox fanbase as primarily black, Irish, Jewish, and Hispanic. There are Jewish Cubs fans, but the Sox fans tend to be more like Basketball Jews. (This is not coterminous with religion/ethnicity. Chuck Klosterman is a gentile who is still a Basketball Jew.)

[TalktoChuck]

6 hours ago, Dilbert said:

Then there is this national treasure

 

The true star of that movie was a Met, though.

 

[B-Rich]

On 8/22/2023 at 8:03 PM, infrared41 said:

It didn't hurt that every other movie in the 80s and early 90s was set in Chicago and the Cubs were in all of them. 

 

On 8/22/2023 at 6:30 PM, pmoehrin said:

Before Reinsdorf took over the team, there wasn't much of a difference in terms of popularity between the Cubs and White Sox. The dynamic of the Cubs being the clear-cut #1 team in Chicago and the White Sox being the #2 doesn't start until the late 90s.

It may be my age, but I disagree with pmoehrin's thesis, at least in terms of  NATIONAL popularity, which ties in to infrared's point. It happened nationwide much earlier than that, I'd say in the  early/mid 80s.

 

The main issue was the explosion of cable TV in the late 70s and early 1980s, and WGN (and Cubs games) being on cable nationwide. Cubs fandom  then popped up nationwide,  such as a group in New Orleans who hung out and caught WGN Cubs games at the Milan Lounge uptown, and even including casual fans like my teenage kid sister,  who didn't even know that Chicago had another baseball team (and certainly couldn't have named them) but as a Madonna-era fashion thing bought a Cubs jersey not only based on watching WGN and Harry Caray singing "Take me Out to the Ballgame", but also because she saw Richard Pryor wearing one in "Brewster's Millions" in 1985:

[FiddySicks]

On 8/22/2023 at 11:08 AM, Cujo said:

Going back 35 years... Would the White Sox have been better off/could they have renovated Old Comiskey into a landmark-type relic, ala Fenway or Wrigley?

Comiskey was somewhere in between old Yankee Stadium (a festering toilet by the end) and the Oakland Coliseum (second most dilapidated stadium of all time just a smidge behind Aloha Syadium in Hawaii) by the end, so I doubt it. 
 

 

The White Sox situation feels sort of like an alternative timeline A’s situation. Two AL teams that basically gave their market away to the NL team, which was also poorly run, and it boosted the profiles of both of those NL teams to the point that there probably isn’t any coming back from it. White Sox situation initially feels worse because they actually got a new park, but I’m pretty sure had the A’s erected some bull:censored: little yard right before the “ballpark renaissance” in, like, Emeryville or Vallejo or wherever, they’d probably have all of the same issues the Sox do. 

[Walk-Off]

Steering this thread back on topic ... especially with regard to an MLB franchise whose ownership, unlike that of the White Sox, is actually making an active and public pursuit of a relocation right now ... Raj Mathai of the Bay Area's NBC-owned-and-operated television station scored one of the least likely and most surprising feats that any journalist can garner these days: an interview with John Fisher.

 

Here is the transcript.