dont care Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 33 minutes ago, guest23 said: Chargers certainly have been futile, the Chef's would be an example of an average franchise if that helps. Average? A team that has made it past the 1st round of the playoffs once maybe and made it much less than the Chargers, but the Chargers are futile when they have made the playoffs pretty regularly and made a AFC Championship game, going against arguable the best team of all time with their starting qb and star rb injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 "Futile" is an anagram of "Flutie." O_O ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest23 Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 24 minutes ago, dont care said: Average? A team that has made it past the 1st round of the playoffs once maybe and made it much less than the Chargers, but the Chargers are futile when they have made the playoffs pretty regularly and made a AFC Championship game, going against arguable the best team of all time with their starting an and star rb injured. Sucks to be a chargers fan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont care Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 3 minutes ago, guest23 said: Sucks to be a chargers fan... Your homerism is showing, I'm a pats fan btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOldRoman Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 48 minutes ago, guest23 said: Chargers certainly have been futile, the Chef's would be an example of an average franchise if that helps. Great googily-moogily! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSU151 Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 1 hour ago, guest23 said: Chargers certainly have been futile, the Chef's would be an example of an average franchise if that helps. They're not really much different. Chargers have had more playoff success. Smart is believing half of what you hear. Genius is knowing which half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937redskins Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 3 hours ago, WSU151 said: They're not really much different. Chargers have had more playoff success. SD-421-420-11, playoffs-SD-11-17 ,1 SB loss KC-435-405-12, playoffs- KC-9-16, 1-1 in SBs its about even Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 13 hours ago, WSU151 said: What is your definition of futile? I'm thinking my definition and your definition are very different. The Chargers have been "average", sure, but certainly not futile. Not every team in the NFL can be champions every year. Let's put it this way...the Chargers were too cheap to surround their occasional draft home runs with the actual talent necessary to get the organization over the hump. That's on the Spanoses, and rather damning when you think about the hall of famers they were able to get in the draft. Eli Manning didn't want to go to that organization for a reason. ----------------------------------------- Also, it's kind of easy to overlook just how crappy the AFC West was in the mid-to-late 2000s and early 2010s. The Chargers could blunder into the playoffs just on the back of the few talented players they had. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont care Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 1 hour ago, rams80 said: Let's put it this way...the Chargers were too cheap to surround their occasional draft home runs with the actual talent necessary to get the organization over the hump. That's on the Spanoses, and rather damning when you think about the hall of famers they were able to get in the draft. Eli Manning didn't want to go to that organization for a reason. ----------------------------------------- Also, it's kind of easy to overlook just how crappy the AFC West was in the mid-to-late 2000s and early 2010s. The Chargers could blunder into the playoffs just on the back of the few talented players they had. Eli didn't want to go to SD because breese was still there and didn't think he would start right away. Sure Giants had just got Kurt Warner but this was after a :censored:ty season in St. Louis where he was suppose to be the back up the next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSU151 Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 4 hours ago, 1937redskins said: SD-421-420-11, playoffs-SD-11-17 ,1 SB loss KC-435-405-12, playoffs- KC-9-16, 1-1 in SBs its about even And it favors the Chargers even more when you take a look at records from the 80s-on. Chiefs haven't been to a SB (or an AFCC game) in a long long time. 4 hours ago, rams80 said: Let's put it this way...the Chargers were too cheap to surround their occasional draft home runs with the actual talent necessary to get the organization over the hump. That's on the Spanoses, and rather damning when you think about the hall of famers they were able to get in the draft. Eli Manning didn't want to go to that organization for a reason. Also, it's kind of easy to overlook just how crappy the AFC West was in the mid-to-late 2000s and early 2010s. The Chargers could blunder into the playoffs just on the back of the few talented players they had. You could say that about 25 other teams. Being "not cheap" doesn't strictly mean you're going to the Super Bowl. The Patriots are notoriously cheap. The Jets, Cowboys, and the Redskins are notorious spenders... so tell me again about how spending money is the answer...? The Giants weren't exactly a model franchise in the early 2000s...and the Chiefs were no better. How many Super Bowls did Derrick Thomas go to, again? When was the last time the Chiefs won a playoff game...?? Priest Holmes set the TD record and then... As for the strength of the divisions...you could say that about any strong division winner. 2008 may have been the weakest Chargers team in terms of division winner, but they were a pretty damn good team the other four times they won the division in the 2000s. Give me a second while I count the number of times the Chiefs won the division since 2000....I mean, so many, it takes so long to count them... Smart is believing half of what you hear. Genius is knowing which half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugevolsfan Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 No way is the Chargers a futile organization. If you said Cleveland, Detroit, Jacksonville then sure. All of these teams would love to switch records with the Chargers since the Spanos family took over in 1984 I would say Houston, Tennessee, Oakland, Kansas City, Miami, & New York Jets would all switch records with them as well. I am sure there are others I might be missing. My Fictional Football League Version 3 My Fictional Football Leagues WebsiteMy Church Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 8 hours ago, dont care said: Eli didn't want to go to SD because breese was still there and didn't think he would start right away. Sure Giants had just got Kurt Warner but this was after a :censored:ty season in St. Louis where he was suppose to be the back up the next year. Yeah man, the guy who got benched in favor of Doug Flutie is such a threat to keep you from playing. Brees only got good after the Rivers/Manning draft. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 6 hours ago, WSU151 said: And it favors the Chargers even more when you take a look at records from the 80s-on. Chiefs haven't been to a SB (or an AFCC game) in a long long time. You could say that about 25 other teams. Being "not cheap" doesn't strictly mean you're going to the Super Bowl. The Patriots are notoriously cheap. The Jets, Cowboys, and the Redskins are notorious spenders... so tell me again about how spending money is the answer...? The Patriots may be "cheap" by some standards, but they will still bring in a supporting cast to help Brady. Key distinction. The Chargers wouldn't bring in Seau or Rodney Harrison (just to same some players the Chargers lost) as FAs, just as one example. Seriously, do the Chargers ever bring in decent players via free agency? The 1990s Chargers had one of the best linebackers to ever play the game (Seau) and only managed 3 playoff bids. The 2000s Chargers frequently had high seeds and the services of some truly gifted offensive players (Brees/Rivers and Tomlinson) and basically lost in the playoffs to anyone not from the AFC South. 3 of their 6 playoff seasons ended in their first game. Somehow you might think they could do better than that. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSU151 Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 1 hour ago, rams80 said: The Patriots may be "cheap" by some standards, but they will still bring in a supporting cast to help Brady. Key distinction. The Chargers wouldn't bring in Seau or Rodney Harrison (just to same some players the Chargers lost) as FAs, just as one example. Seriously, do the Chargers ever bring in decent players via free agency? The 1990s Chargers had one of the best linebackers to ever play the game (Seau) and only managed 3 playoff bids. The 2000s Chargers frequently had high seeds and the services of some truly gifted offensive players (Brees/Rivers and Tomlinson) and basically lost in the playoffs to anyone not from the AFC South. 3 of their 6 playoff seasons ended in their first game. Somehow you might think they could do better than that. My argument is that the Chargers have been better than the Chiefs over the last couple of decades, and aren't really "futile". The 1990s Chiefs had one of the best linebackers to ever play the game, in addition to a top defensive lineman, a HOF QB and RB, and they couldn't reach the Super Bowl like the Chargers did. The 2000s Chargers actually won playoff games...which the "better than futile" Chiefs couldn't do. The 2006 Chargers probably could have won the Super Bowl if not for stupid mistakes on the field (again, mistakes made in-game must be an ownership problem, right?). Smart is believing half of what you hear. Genius is knowing which half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rams80 Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 And yet the Chargers didn't win the Super Bowl. And then they completely mishandled the coaching transition that following offseason while not adding any parts to that team. If the ostensible goal is a championship, then yes the Spanoses are failures and the Chargers can certainly be described as "futile". On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSU151 Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 3 minutes ago, rams80 said: And yet the Chargers didn't win the Super Bowl. And then they completely mishandled the coaching transition that following offseason while not adding any parts to that team. If the ostensible goal is a championship, then yes the Spanoses are failures and the Chargers can certainly be described as "futile". What did the Chiefs win that made them average? And again, if winning a championship is the ostensible goal, than ~20 teams over the last 20 years are futile as well. Smart is believing half of what you hear. Genius is knowing which half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk36 Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 Having grown up in San Diego and then moved to Seattle in 1990, I finally transitioned fully from Charger fan to Seahawk fan when they fired Marty Schottenheimer. That was the final straw that broke this camel's back. Never trusted the organization since then. Design Hovie Studios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 I'm not arguing that the Chiefs are average Dude. If anything I suggested the Chiefs flat out sucked during the period in question. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 17 minutes ago, hawk36 said: Having grown up in San Diego and then moved to Seattle in 1990, I finally transitioned fully from Charger fan to Seahawk fan when they fired Marty Schottenheimer. That was the final straw that broke this camel's back. Never trusted the organization since then. Yeah, that one totally is on ownership. They fired the coach who got them to 14-2 and haven't been back there since. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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