Digby Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 18 minutes ago, tBBP said: So what y'all are saying is I should be in for a clown show or a comedy of [personnel] error when I get up there at the end of the month to see the Sox in person...?? Basically yes. Crappy pitching, amateur defense. Haven't seen a dynastic, over-resourced powerhouse of a team try so hard to be just another bog-standard, .500-at-best standings filler club before, but the Fenway Faithful are still paying those $$$$ I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tBBP Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 21 minutes ago, Digby said: Basically yes. Crappy pitching, amateur defense. Haven't seen a dynastic, over-resourced powerhouse of a team try so hard to be just another bog-standard, .500-at-best standings filler club before, but the Fenway Faithful are still paying those $$$$ I guess. Well then dangit...I had enough of that watching the Twins be the Twash last season. On the positive side...at least I'll be able to get "game at Fenway" off my bucket list! (Btw, if any of y'all Bostonites have any decent hotel recommendations accessible by MBTA--and yes I'm well aware of BTMA's ongoing safety issues, but still, I ain't trying to drive--please let me know.) Quote *Disclaimer: I am not an authoritative expert on stuff...I just do a lot of reading and research and keep in close connect with a bunch of people who are authoritative experts on stuff. || dribbble || Behance || Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCarp1231 Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 “Rebuilding” right? 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 That sort of feels like what the Giants are doing. Hovering right around .500, five games back of the final playoff spot, yet they hang onto Rodon and Joc. Just, why? I’ve been pretty patient with Farhan’s ability to incrementally increase the talent on the roster, but with the Dodgers and Padres being huge spenders, it feels more like the plan is to just throw :censored: at the wall and see what sticks. It feels frustratingly similar to what the Giants have always done outside of that 2010-2014 stretch. They have a lot of money coming off the books after this season (Rodon and Joc probably being two of them), and if they don’t use some of that make a huge move like bringing in Trea Turner and/or Aaron Judge, it’ll show that Farhan really has no plan. Again, which would feel like business as usual during the Sabean era. Quote On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaTac Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 The Giants have something like 29 freaking shareholders. No wonder they don't spend. They all want a piece of the pie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAD! Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 Awwwww.... Why didn't the Giants trade Joc to Boston? Quote I saw, I came, I left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 41 minutes ago, EskimoAldus said: The Giants have something like 29 freaking shareholders. No wonder they don't spend. They all want a piece of the pie. That’s a very good point. Really, they’ve become a microcosm of the Bay Area as a whole. Everything is too expensive to consolidate ownership, it takes approval from a dozen people to make any changes, and everyone wants their dividends without increasing their input. Holy :censored: that’s bleak. 2 Quote On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 1 hour ago, EskimoAldus said: The Giants have something like 29 freaking shareholders. No wonder they don't spend. They all want a piece of the pie. The Phillies have a similar setup, and it held them back for decades since all the partners had to approve what was essentially a "budget". Then they got the new stadium and gave more power to the "managing partner", and the rest became essentially "silent", and that partner can do whatever he wants and basically acts like an owner. It has helped that a good number of the silent partners have died of old age in the past 15 years. Quote "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 4 hours ago, Brass said: Which makes absolutely no sense considering they traded one of their more populars players in Christian Vazquez yesterday. I know he was an impending free agent and they need to sign Bogaerts and Devers, but the Sox have a looooooooong history of getting rid of popular players because of their asking price, then going out and spending that same amount of money on a player in the open market. I don't know what the Sox plan is, but just seems weird to pick up guys like Tommy Pham and Eric Hosmer, yet let Christian Vazquez go... It looks like SD is paying the entire remainder of Hosmer's contract, so the Red Sox basically get him for free. Quote "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sport Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 This says more about the Cubs and Pirates than it does the Reds, but the Reds are now in third place in the NL Central. They were 3-22 at one point and we were worried about not catching the 62 Mets. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 51 minutes ago, Sport said: This says more about the Cubs and Pirates than it does the Reds, but the Reds are now in third place in the NL Central. They were 3-22 at one point and we were worried about not catching the 62 Mets. Losing the bum Castellanos is addition by subtraction so it doesn't surprise me that they improved. The only way out of this disaster for the Phillies is probably to eat 50 of the 100 million and give him away to some team that wants to take a flyer on him. EDIT: regarding Castellanos, he's also indirectly responsible for a lot of anger that's been building inside me, and that's due to the trashy people that don't know how to pronounce "ll" and call him Cast-a-lanos, rather than Cast-ay-anos. That has nothing to do with him of course, but it pisses me off every time I hear some moron mispronounce it, despite hearing the correct pronunciation a hundred times. It's disrespectful, and if anyone's going to disrespect him, it'll be me by calling him a bum. 2 Quote "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sport Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 9 hours ago, BBTV said: Losing the bum Castellanos is addition by subtraction so it doesn't surprise me that they improved. The only way out of this disaster for the Phillies is probably to eat 50 of the 100 million and give him away to some team that wants to take a flyer on him. They made the playoffs and then won 83 games the next season with him. He was a starter in the all-star game. He left and the team immediately sucked. Have you ever considered that maybe it's you guys? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 3 hours ago, Sport said: They made the playoffs and then won 83 games the next season with him. He was a starter in the all-star game. He left and the team immediately sucked. Have you ever considered that maybe it's you guys? i don’t discount the fact that booing guys and telling them they suck all the time can wear on them and make it tough for them to be motivated to perform (heck, we had a player this year literally say “I effing hate this place” live on the field. So I’ve become a little soft and more supportive in a live setting. But Castellanos has been given a pass by the media and fans up until around a week ago, so I don’t think it’s related to Philadelphia’s treatment of him, unless it’s the perceived pressure that’s getting to him - which is a possibility. I hold to my belief that the northeast is harder to play in than in many other areas, but again, he’s been given a pass due to the way he endeared himself in his first press conference. so I don’t dismiss your suggestion at all, but I don’t think it’s the case in this situation. Quote "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sport Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 11 minutes ago, BBTV said: i don’t discount the fact that booing guys and telling them they suck all the time can wear on them and make it tough for them to be motivated to perform (heck, we had a player this year literally say “I effing hate this place” live on the field. So I’ve become a little soft and more supportive in a live setting. But Castellanos has been given a pass by the media and fans up until around a week ago, so I don’t think it’s related to Philadelphia’s treatment of him, unless it’s the perceived pressure that’s getting to him - which is a possibility. I hold to my belief that the northeast is harder to play in than in many other areas, but again, he’s been given a pass due to the way he endeared himself in his first press conference. so I don’t dismiss your suggestion at all, but I don’t think it’s the case in this situation. Castellanos had a below his average OPS and below his average overall season in 2020 when he was new to the Reds and that was with zero fans in the stadiums and no media in his face. I don't believe a guy could reach 11 career WAR in the major leagues just by never playing under "large market pressure". I'd guess it's more self-inflicted large contract pressure and new team adjusting, than it is the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heavybass Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 So.... in light of Vin's death.... Nick Castellanos scores a home run. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 Obviously once he saw his name being tossed around on the CCSLC he decided to kick it into high gear. Never underestimate the power of this place. 1 1 Quote "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorWhom Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 On 8/2/2022 at 7:23 PM, DEAD! said: Awwwww.... Why didn't the Giants trade Joc to Boston? Because they were supposed to trade Mike Yastrzemski to Boston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
who do you think Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 On 8/2/2022 at 4:40 PM, Digby said: Basically yes. Crappy pitching, amateur defense. Haven't seen a dynastic, over-resourced powerhouse of a team try so hard to be just another bog-standard, .500-at-best standings filler club before, but the Fenway Faithful are still paying those $$$$ I guess. I kinda let go of the Red Sox (and baseball as a whole)* when I moved away after the Bobby Valentine year, keeping light tabs from afar and only watching some playoff games in 2013 and 2018. Would it be a stretch to call them the most bizarrely inconsistent team in baseball over the last decade? 2012 - 69 wins, baseball's answer to the Isiah Thomas Knicks 2013 - championship 2014 - 71 wins, sellers at the deadline, generic bad team 2015 - threw money at Pablo Sandoval and a bunch of NL pitchers, finished .500 2016 - playoff team 2017 - playoff team 2018 - best team since the 98 Yankees 2019 - asses reamed out in the first two weeks, .500 team despite returning most of the roster 2020 - sold off their best player because reasons, win% of a 64-win team 2021 - random ALCS appearance 2022 - just sort of piddling along, probably finish around .500 again Is there any other team that has been nearly that erratic from year to year? All that's missing is a 2003 Tigers/2018 Orioles type season. *It recently hit me the other day how stuck-in-the-past my mental map of baseball is. I was doing cardio at the gym with MLB network on the treadmill screen because gotta watch something, the graphic on the left showed Somebody @ Twins highlights coming up. I was expecting to see the Metrodome, and was momentarily surprised when they were outdoors in the sun. They built that stadium over a decade ago! I've become my dad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sport Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 Watch this and tell me it doesn't pay for teams try. The Padres fans were having a blast last night. Here in Cincinnati we have to watch walking Cost/Benefit analyses play baseball and our attendance is what you'd expect for such a product. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digby Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 3 hours ago, who do you think said: I kinda let go of the Red Sox (and baseball as a whole)* when I moved away after the Bobby Valentine year, keeping light tabs from afar and only watching some playoff games in 2013 and 2018. Would it be a stretch to call them the most bizarrely inconsistent team in baseball over the last decade? I thought this frequently during the middle Henry era, where there was either a title or a dysfunctional last-place finish with no in-between. They seem to be settling in now, though, to one of those classic middle-ground filler teams. .500 records, the occasional appearance in an ALCS (but getting killed there), there's always next year. Which is a pretty wild place to voluntarily put yourself when you're the most successful team of the millennium and you charge the highest prices to your fans in the entire league, but I don't know how else to interpret the direction of the franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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