DG_ThenNowForever Posted August 7, 2023 Share Posted August 7, 2023 I like the "5 of one player against 5 of another player" metric, though that's just for talent and not for winning. LeBron wins that won easily, though Team Magic would probably give Team LeBron the toughest time. Another metric is who does more with less. LeBron took these dudes to the Finals: Larry Hughes, Zydrunas Ilgauskus, Drew Gooden and Sasha Pavlovic. A decade later, he took these dudes the Finals: Kevin Love, Rodney Hood, George Hill and Jeff Green. He also took two games off the 2015 Warriors with Dellavedova, Tristan Thompson, Iman Shumpert and Timogey Mozgov. Jimmy Butler went on a similar run this past season, but I can't think of anyone else who did more with less. A final metric is durability. No one in the league has played at as high a level as long as LeBron. Year 20, and he made the WCF. The only close to that level was the last days of Kareem. Titles absolutely matter, and Bill Russell and MJ will likely never be touched. But the game has changed and the rules have changed. Bill Russell played at a time without player movement. MJ played at a time with rapid expansion and minimal free agency. LeBron has played through the superteam era, which allowed the 17/18 Cavs to exist. Russell and MJ didn't play the level of completion LeBron has; Russel in a smaller league and MJ only took a leap after the Celtics, Lakers and Pistons flamed out. It's a shame LeBron and Kobe never met in the playoffs; it's the biggest what-if of the 2010s. 3 Quote 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted August 7, 2023 Share Posted August 7, 2023 Jordan is for sure “The” guy, and he wins on that combined with the myth building his era helped to create. Jordan was amazing, and absolutely the most killer instinct player I’ve ever seen (Kobe is that way, too. But Kobe also had at least one time where he nearly cost his team a title, so he can’t ever be in that echelon. To be fair, nobody but Jordan can), but part of that is that he came along at the PERFECT time. There wasn’t social media to point out every flaw, and he wasn’t constantly scrutinized from the time he was playing high school basketball. And although he had a relatively short sample size (sort of. 15 seasons and six titles) he hit on every single chance he had. Some of that with Jordan is absolutely luck. Tom Brady is the only other athlete who comes close to having as good of fortune as Jordan did. Lebron has basically all of the things Jordan had, but less luck. He also has at least five additional seasons, which lowers your chances at having that good of fortune. I have to put Lebron ahead simply because while he didn’t have as flashy of a career as Jordan did, he probably had a more reliable one. Somehow people downplay that Jordan just up and retired in the middle of his prime, which I’ve always found so weird. 1 Quote On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_ThenNowForever Posted August 7, 2023 Share Posted August 7, 2023 24 minutes ago, FiddySicks said: I have to put Lebron ahead simply because while he didn’t have as flashy of a career as Jordan did, he probably had a more reliable one. Somehow people downplay that Jordan just up and retired in the middle of his prime, which I’ve always found so weird. People also generally forget the 1995 playoffs existed. MJ shone brighter but shorter. And he quit twice. LeBron has shone for a lot longer. And 10 Finals in 20 seasons is such a crazy stat, especially in basketball and especially in the modern era. That's Leo Messi, Tom Brady, Pep Guardiola territory. 2 Quote 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SailorOfSilence102 Posted August 7, 2023 Share Posted August 7, 2023 9 hours ago, tBBP said: Speaking of thus, I see a lot of people put out a lot of lists...but the one thing I never hear anyone specify is their metrics...what is their criteria for ranking so-and-so above whoever else? All of which is to say: what's the litmus test here? (I don't think there are any wrong criteria; i just wanna hear more people substantiate their subjection with something solid is all.) So much of it is just kind of based on random stuff to be honest, which is understandable, the vast majority of people don't watch basketball like that, and are subjective too a ton of bias. I think it's a lot of based around longevity, peak, accolades, media stuff/narrative, winning (but only if the person counts it lol), and than a lot of nebulous stuff, like Killer Instinct. A lot of those have issues, and I think there's a lot of players who get underrated by that measure (Dirk vs KG are often put pretty close to each other, despite the fact that KG was just kind of better at Basketball than Dirk in almost everything besides outside shooting, KG just had 0 help in his prime and Dirk always had solid supporting casts), but it generally works, it's really only when it really gets into the stuff that you can just make up about someone and say that's why their better than another player, which is just silly imo. LeBron clears Kobe in everyway for the record besides Mama Mentality which is nonsense, though I guess Kobe is a better tough shot maker. Quote I have borderline personality disorder, if my posts ever come off as aggressive or word vomit-y to you, please let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDAWG Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 Quote "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_ThenNowForever Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 The best part about that is he opted in at the start of the summer and wants a big extension. I don't doubt that Daryl Morey is a liar, but Harden needed him to get moved to another team and he seems to forget Morey held on to Ben Simmons for as long as it took to get something good in return. The fun irony is the "something good" in that situation was James Harden. 1 Quote 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont care Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 4 hours ago, BBTV said: Didn’t he have issues with Morey on his way out of Houston, why did he expect anything to be different. And as DG said, he’s the one who opted in to get paid. If he wanted out he could have 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 (edited) On 8/14/2023 at 1:16 PM, dont care said: Didn’t he have issues with Morey on his way out of Houston, why did he expect anything to be different. And as DG said, he’s the one who opted in to get paid. If he wanted out he could have he and Morey have had a bizarre love affair. Im not sure if any bad blood - they seem to be BFF up until the end of this season No idea what this is about, but I can speculate that Morey may have indicated that if he took the discount deal last year, they’d reward him with a max deal this year. Or that he promised him a trade, but then walked that back (it doesn’t help when the player says he’ll only go to the Clippers). Just speculation. Edited August 22, 2023 by BBTV misspelled morey as money Quote "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PittsburghSucks Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 Welcome home champ. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fowler Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Looks like Joe Lacob and the Warriors are finally bringing the WNBA to the Bay Area. Expansion team will likely play at Chase Center beginning in 2025. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 https://arizonasports.com/story/3450625/suns-trade-deandre-ayton-to-blazers-damian-lillard-bucks/?fbclid=IwAR1ZQKT7HDxemhDxJBx8WpZoKaWewLEEM3obrC3IDlyU-EJeqicwsUZmTzY Dame to the Bucks, Ayton to the Blazers 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_ThenNowForever Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 14 minutes ago, Gary said: https://arizonasports.com/story/3450625/suns-trade-deandre-ayton-to-blazers-damian-lillard-bucks/?fbclid=IwAR1ZQKT7HDxemhDxJBx8WpZoKaWewLEEM3obrC3IDlyU-EJeqicwsUZmTzY Dame to the Bucks, Ayton to the Blazers Jrue and Ayton to Portland, plus a future #1 and pick swaps. Seems like an amazing deal for Portland. Quote 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueYankee26 Posted September 27, 2023 Author Share Posted September 27, 2023 Wisconsin on fire RN. Jordan Love looks good and looks like will be another QB who will own the bears for 15-20 years, Brewers will win the division now the Bucks get Dame 1 1 Quote trueyankee26.wordpress.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 24 minutes ago, DG_ThenNowForever said: Jrue and Ayton to Portland, plus a future #1 and pick swaps. Seems like an amazing deal for Portland. Seems like everyone came out a winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowler Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Jrue will probably be flipped somewhere else. Also, Suns added some very much needed depth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unocal Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 2 hours ago, TrueYankee26 said: Wisconsin on fire RN. Jordan Love looks good and looks like will be another QB who will own the bears for 15-20 years, Brewers will win the division now the Bucks get Dame Jordan Love has won TWO games and now we're anointing him Apparently QB's grow on trees in Green Bay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tBBP Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 27 minutes ago, Unocal said: Jordan Love has won TWO games and now we're anointing him Apparently QB's grow on trees in Green Bay Not just any trees...pines. And every pine should be so fortunate: Brett Favre (for like a game and a half), Mark Brunell, Kurt Warner, Matt Hasselbeck, Aaron Rodgers...Jordan Love? Yeah, I'd say QBs grow on trees pines in Green Bay... Quote *Disclaimer: I am not an authoritative expert on stuff...I just do a lot of reading and research and keep in close connect with a bunch of people who are authoritative experts on stuff. || dribbble || Behance || Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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