2024 NFL Offseason

[Jake3roo]

5 hours ago, GDAWG said:

Buffalo trades #32 and a 6th to Carolina for #33 and a 5th round pick on Saturday

Buffalo basically asking for a 1 day extension on their homework that they had all year to do?

[BBTV]

8 hours ago, GDAWG said:

 

Penix will be 28 when the Cousins contract expires.  Love is only 25 and has already been in the league for four years and will likely be in Green Bay for a decade and probably playing for the Jets when he's close to 40.  

 

It's BS for Penix because there's the risk that he won't have enough "tape" to warrant getting that life-changing extension if he's not on the field for years.  It was BS when it happened with Love too.

 

This is a business, and if I'm picked at 8 and know that I'm not going to play for a few seasons while everyone else is, and they're going to be increasing their value by doing so, I'm looking into ways to get out of it.

 

Or I'm seeing if Shane Stant is willing to take out another knee.

[Sec19Row53]

3 hours ago, Jake3roo said:

Buffalo basically asking for a 1 day extension on their homework that they had all year to do?

Or they had two guys graded equally and gained 60 positions in the draft later on.

[BBTV]

I know that you don't have to go to a big school and play big-time competition to make it in the NFL.  Jerry Rice went to Miss Valley State, TO went to Middle Tenn (I think), and there's countless others.  But it's still a risk, since in most cases they've never played against anyone who has NFL ability.

 

Eagles drafted a CB from Toledo.  This worries me, because I doubt he's ever covered an NFL-capable receiver that's been thrown to by an NFL-capable QB.  It seems like the riskiest position to take a first-round shot on.  But the "experts" were all doing a circle jerk over the guy leading into the draft, and most fans here are participating in said jerk.

 

Anyone actually seen this guy and know if he's got NFL "stuff"?  I think there's ways you can "tell" with almost any other position, but I'm just not sure about DB.

 

Quinyon Mitchell is the guy.  Looks like Toledo played Miss St., but mostly the other MAC teams.

 

[infrared41]

4 hours ago, DCarp1231 said:

The most entertaining part of the draft is watching the fans in attendance being completely motionless when their favorite team drafts an OL instead of a playmaker.

 

Drafting an O-lineman is like getting a set of kitchen knives as a gift; it's not much fun in the moment, but in six months you'll be really glad you have them.

[DG_ThenNowForever]

1 hour ago, Sec19Row53 said:

Or they had two guys graded equally and gained 60 positions in the draft later on.

 

I sure hope so.

 

Buffalo has had some pretty good drafts in recent years. Just sucks to trade with the team that constantly rubs their face in the dirt.

[infrared41]

1 hour ago, BBTV said:

Eagles drafted a CB from Toledo.  This worries me, because I doubt he's ever covered an NFL-capable receiver that's been thrown to by an NFL-capable QB.  It seems like the riskiest position to take a first-round shot on.  But the "experts" were all doing a circle jerk over the guy leading into the draft, and most fans here are participating in said jerk.

 

Anyone actually seen this guy and know if he's got NFL "stuff"?  I think there's ways you can "tell" with almost any other position, but I'm just not sure about DB.

 

Mitchell is really good. He was talked about as a first round pick all last season. The Eagles could have done a lot worse. I think you got a really good player with this pick.

 

 

[burgundy]

1 hour ago, BBTV said:

I know that you don't have to go to a big school and play big-time competition to make it in the NFL.  Jerry Rice went to Miss Valley State, TO went to Middle Tenn (I think), and there's countless others.  But it's still a risk, since in most cases they've never played against anyone who has NFL ability.

 

Eagles drafted a CB from Toledo.  This worries me, because I doubt he's ever covered an NFL-capable receiver that's been thrown to by an NFL-capable QB.  It seems like the riskiest position to take a first-round shot on.  But the "experts" were all doing a circle jerk over the guy leading into the draft, and most fans here are participating in said jerk.

 

Anyone actually seen this guy and know if he's got NFL "stuff"?  I think there's ways you can "tell" with almost any other position, but I'm just not sure about DB.

 

Quinyon Mitchell is the guy.  Looks like Toledo played Miss St., but mostly the other MAC teams.

 

 

He played against Notre Dame in 2021 and Ohio State in 2022. Against Notre Dame he had one of his best games of his college career. I was at the game, but I'm no scout so I can't say that I have any real insight. The Ohio State game on the other hand, he didn't look so great. But very few people look great against Marvin Harrison Jr. and Emeka Egbuka. I'd still say he's a very good CB, but I'm honestly surprised he was the first CB taken.

 

[FiddySicks]

1 hour ago, infrared41 said:

 

Drafting an O-lineman is like getting a set of kitchen knives as a gift; it's not much fun in the moment, but in six months you'll be really glad you have them.

I REALLY wanted the Bucs to draft DeJean (part because of the story, part due to need), but knew they needed interior line more than anything else, and I’m thrilled with who they got. 
 

 

 

I’m also the guy who wanted them to draft Johnny Football over Mike Evans  

[infrared41]

31 minutes ago, burgundy said:

But very few people look great against Marvin Harrison Jr. and Emeka Egbuka.

 

You forgot Jaxon Smith-Njigba. Mitchell was playing against two NFL receivers and another who will be. Also, the QB throwing to them that day was some kid named C.J. Stroud.

[MJWalker45]

13 hours ago, See Red said:

Next years QB class looks bleak, which is why I suspect everyone is reaching.

 

Didn’t really want Nix but would rather him than McCarthy and he seems to be a pretty good fit for Payton’s offense, so whatever. 

I think you have a point, other than Carson Beck, Quinn Ewers, who's going to be available that moves the needle? Cam Ward and Dillon Gabriel might be able to move up in the draft with their stats, but Gabriel will have to deal with some tougher defenses in the Big Ten this year and Ward is at Miami which brings its own challenges. Cade Klubnick could come out, but I don't think that he's any better than what quarterbacks are still available in this year's draft. Will Howard has the chance to do something at Ohio State, but he might not even be the starter in August unless Chip Kelly decides to go with age before talent. DJ might help Florida State win a lague title and a playoff game, but he's more likely yo be playing in the UFL or CFL than he is in the NFL. 

 

[GDAWG]

So do you guys agree with what Mike Florio says about defensive head coaches in that if the OC that they hire becomes a head coach, that team is most likely to hire a new OC who may have a new system that stunts a young QB's growth?  He also says that having an offensive head coach is better for a young QB because they will have the same system in place even if the OC leaves for somewhere else, so because of that he thinks that Nix and McCarthy will do really well.  

[BBTV]

1 hour ago, infrared41 said:

 

Mitchell is really good. He was talked about as a first round pick all last season. The Eagles could have done a lot worse. I think you got a really good player with this pick.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, burgundy said:

 

He played against Notre Dame in 2021 and Ohio State in 2022. Against Notre Dame he had one of his best games of his college career. I was at the game, but I'm no scout so I can't say that I have any real insight. The Ohio State game on the other hand, he didn't look so great. But very few people look great against Marvin Harrison Jr. and Emeka Egbuka. I'd still say he's a very good CB, but I'm honestly surprised he was the first CB taken.

 

 

I'm hearing now that he had an opportunity to transfer to Alabama and make a lot in NIL money, but chose to stay loyal to Toledo and the coaches that gave him his opportunity.

 

On one hand, that's very noble.  Gotta respect loyalty.  But on the other hand, is there a little element of fear there?  Loyalty be damned, if you have the opportunity to make a lot of money - and that opportunity could vanish at any time with a single injury - you take it, unless you're either from a wealthy family or maybe you're a little scared of jumping into the bigger pond.

 

Or I'm over thinking it, and he's just a good kid and there's nothing more to it.

[GDAWG]

53 minutes ago, MJWalker45 said:

I think you have a point, other than Carson Beck, Quinn Ewers, who's going to be available that moves the needle? Cam Ward and Dillon Gabriel might be able to move up in the draft with their stats, but Gabriel will have to deal with some tougher defenses in the Big Ten this year and Ward is at Miami which brings its own challenges. Cade Klubnick could come out, but I don't think that he's any better than what quarterbacks are still available in this year's draft. Will Howard has the chance to do something at Ohio State, but he might not even be the starter in August unless Chip Kelly decides to go with age before talent. DJ might help Florida State win a lague title and a playoff game, but he's more likely yo be playing in the UFL or CFL than he is in the NFL. 

 

 

Coach Prime is going to hype his son Shedeur up as a first round pick.  

[BBTV]

2 minutes ago, GDAWG said:

So do you guys agree with what Mike Florio says about defensive head coaches in that if the OC that they hire becomes a head coach, that team is most likely to hire a new OC who may have a new system that stunts a young QB's growth?  He also says that having an offensive head coach is better for a young QB because they will have the same system in place even if the OC leaves for somewhere else, so because of that he thinks that Nix and McCarthy will do really well.  

 

I saw first hand what happens when a great QB/OC tandem is broken up.  Ironically, the Ass Birds' HC is an offensive guy, he just sucks at offense.  They tried to promote from within to maintain some continuity, and it blew up in their stupid faces.

 

I think unless you have an all-timer like Brady or Mahomes or Manning, continuity is extremely important, and I'd think twice before hiring some DC that's just going to have a revolving door of OCs (unless I could get a good OC who simply doesn't have HC aspirations.)

 

BUTTTTTTTTT, what I don't get is how a defensive coach seemingly knows nothing about offense (and vice versa.). It's all football.  A DC plans against offenses, so it's not like they don't know how to scheme an offense to beat a defense.  And vice versa.

 

I think if any HC, whether a former defensive guy or offensive guy, can't manage the other side of the ball, then they suck and maybe need to spend 30 hours a day in the office trying to figure it out.

[MJWalker45]

2 minutes ago, GDAWG said:

 

Coach Prime is going to hype his son Shedeur up as a first round pick.  

And say that whomever has the first pick can't draft him because Dion doesn't like their third string LT. 

[GDAWG]

4 minutes ago, MJWalker45 said:

And say that whomever has the first pick can't draft him because Dion doesn't like their third string LT. 

 

Deion has already listed the teams he wants to take his son and Travis Hunter.  Basically all of the teams he's played for (Falcons, 49ers, Cowboys, Commanders, Ravens) and Eagles.  None of those teams need a QB, unless the Cowboys let Dak Prescott walk away (which is still possible).

[GDAWG]

1 hour ago, MJWalker45 said:

I think you have a point, other than Carson Beck, Quinn Ewers, who's going to be available that moves the needle? Cam Ward and Dillon Gabriel might be able to move up in the draft with their stats, but Gabriel will have to deal with some tougher defenses in the Big Ten this year and Ward is at Miami which brings its own challenges. Cade Klubnick could come out, but I don't think that he's any better than what quarterbacks are still available in this year's draft. Will Howard has the chance to do something at Ohio State, but he might not even be the starter in August unless Chip Kelly decides to go with age before talent. DJ might help Florida State win a lague title and a playoff game, but he's more likely yo be playing in the UFL or CFL than he is in the NFL. 

 

 

teams that could be looking: Cowboys (if Dak walks away), Giants, Jets, Raiders, Seahawks, Rams, Steelers, Titans, Browns and Saints

[Sec19Row53]

23 minutes ago, GDAWG said:

So do you guys agree with what Mike Florio says about defensive head coaches in that if the OC that they hire becomes a head coach, that team is most likely to hire a new OC who may have a new system that stunts a young QB's growth?  He also says that having an offensive head coach is better for a young QB because they will have the same system in place even if the OC leaves for somewhere else, so because of that he thinks that Nix and McCarthy will do really well.  

There's seems to be a logic to that. If the HC is a defensive guy, and the offense does well, the OC becomes the latest hot HC candidate. I think he has pointed out instances where that is the case. You could also suffer at QB by playing on a team whose offense and coordinators suck. It happens both ways.

[TrueYankee26]

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