ColeJ Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 ok, we always hear people complaining about teams adding black to their uniforms, or wearing a black alternate... but it always seems almost arbitrary as to who is actually ALLOWED to wear black uniforms, without being ridiculed on these forums so, for all future concepts or discussions, let's see if we can get a general concensus i'll get us started with my opinions... anyone else who feels like chipping in is allowed.THIS IS TO DECIDE WHO IS ALLOWED TO WEAR A BLACK JERSEY... NOT WHO IS ALLOWED TO USE BLACK IN A JERSEY.NFL:AFC:East Buffalo Bills - not allowed Miami Dolphins - not allowed New England Patriots - not allowed New York Jets - allowed, but shouldn't.North Baltimore Ravens - allowed Cincinnati Bengals - allowed Cleveland Browns - not allowed Pittsburgh Steelers - allowedSouth Houston Texans - not allowed Indianapolis Colts - not allowed Jacksonville Jaguars - allowed Tennessee Titans -not allowedWest Denver Broncos - not allowed Kansas City Chiefs - allowed Oakland Raiders - allowed, obviously San Diego Chargers - not allowedNFC:East Dallas Cowboys - not allowed New York Giants - not allowed Philadelphia Eagles - allowed, i suppose... i don't think it looks good on them. Washington Redskins - not allowedNorth Chicago Bears - not allowed Detroit Lions - allowed (if they ever get an alternate, it would work. i like the addition of black to their primary uniforms, because it adds much needed contrast.) Green Bay Packers - not allowed Minnesota Vikings - not allowedSouth Atlanta Falcons - allowed Carolina Panthers - allowed New Orleans Saints - allowed Tampa Bay Buccaneers - allowed (there's a black alternate in madden that looks sharp, imo)West Arizona Cardinals - i'd allow it, but i wouldn't jump for joy if it happened. San Francisco 49ers - allowed, barely... it'd be a stretch. Seattle Seahawks - not allowed St. Louis Rams - not allowedMLB:AL East Baltimore Orioles - allowed Boston Red Sox - not allowed New York Yankees - not allowed Tampa Bay Devil Rays - allowed Toronto Blue Jays - ugh... they seem to think they're allowed, so i guess i'll say allowed.AL Central Chicago White Sox - allowed Cleveland Indians - not allowed Detroit Tigers - not allowed Kansas City Royals - allowed? why not... i'll be liberal there. Minnesota Twins - not allowedAL West Anaheim Angels - not allowed Oakland Athletics - not allowed Seattle Mariners - allowed Texas Rangers - not allowedNL East Atlanta Braves - not allowed Florida Marlins - allowed Montreal Expos - depends on their new name, logo, and image poor frenchies New York Mets - allowed, i suppose... but i'd prefer they went more traditional and simple. Philadelphia Phillies - not allowed NL Central Chicago Cubs - not allowed Cincinnati Reds - allowed Houston Astros - allowed Milwaukee Brewers - not allowed Pittsburgh Pirates - allowed St. Louis Cardinals - allowed... why not? NL West Arizona Diamondbacks - allowed Colorado Rockies - allowed Los Angeles Dodgers - allowed (it's LA... they can get by with stuff like that) San Diego Padres - allowed San Francisco Giants - allowed, as long as they don't use black numbers on that jersey.NBA:East:Atlantic Boston Celtics - NOT ALLOWED New Jersey Nets - allowed New York Knicks - allowed Philadelphia 76ers - allowed Toronto Raptors - allowedCentral Chicago Bulls - allowed Cleveland Cavaliers - not allowed Detroit Pistons - not allowed Indiana Pacers - not allowed Milwaukee Bucks - not allowedSoutheast Atlanta Hawks - allowed Charlotte Bobcats - not allowed Miami Heat - allowed Orlando Magic - allowed Washington Wizards - allowedWest:Southwest Dallas Mavericks - not allowed Houston Rockets - allowed as an alternate, imo Memphis Grizzlies - not allowed, unless it's a throwback, or a complete redesign New Orleans Hornets - not allowed San Antonio Spurs - allowed, obviouslyNorthwest Denver Nuggets - not allowed Minnesota Timberwolves - allowed Portland Trail Blazers - allowed Seattle SuperSonics - allowed Utah Jazz - not allowedPacific Golden State Warriors - not allowed Los Angeles Clippers - not allowed Los Angeles Lakers - not allowed Phoenix Suns - not allowed Sacramento Kings - allowedNHL:East:Atlantic New Jersey Devils - allowed New York Islanders - not allowed New York Rangers - not allowed Philadelphia Flyers - allowed Pittsburgh Penguins - allowedNortheast Boston Bruins - allowed Buffalo Sabres - allowed Montreal Canadiens - not allowed Ottawa Senators - allowed Toronto Maple Leafs - not allowedSoutheast Atlanta Thrashers - not allowed Carolina Hurricanes - allowed Florida Panthers - not allowed Tampa Bay Lightning - allowed Washington Capitals - NOT ALLOWED, but they do it anyway.Central Chicago Blackhawks - allowed Columbus Blue Jackets - not allowed Detroit Red Wings - not allowed Nashville Predators - not allowed St. Louis Blues - not allowed Northwest Calgary Flames - allowed Colorado Avalanche - not allowed Edmonton Oilers - not allowed Minnesota Wild - not allowed Vancouver Canucks - not allowed, unless it's a throwback, or a complete redesignPacific Anaheim Mighty Ducks - not allowed, but they do it anyway Dallas Stars - allowed Los Angeles Kings - allowed Phoenix Coyotes - not allowed, unless it's a throwback, or a complete redesign San Jose Sharks - allowed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleFan344 Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 Vikings black jerseys are available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMMF Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 Can we allow Nashville (NHL) just so they can get rid of the Mustards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMU Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 The Mariners shouldn't be allowed... their main color is navy, not black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 The Chiefs cant wear black not with their rivalary with the Raiders www.sportsecyclopedia.com For the best in sports history go to the Sports E-Cyclopedia at http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmered Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 Interesting project.There's only a few I'd disagree with.49ers in Black? - Err, no thanks. Stretched too farDetriot Lions - Aren't things bad enough? Why black?St Louis CARDINALS - again, no. Why the Knicks and Nets? NO. Why NOT Charlotte? They don't even have an identity yet?Capitals - I liked their Black jersey, though I would have liked to have also seen a version with the primary logo and more blue.The rest, accept my nod of agreement. And a little "Hmm" thrown in as wellCan we next do a project, which teams can wear Lime Green?I'd say 99% would be NO, and that's a good thing. Oh, and I've got a site.Footy Jumpers Dot Com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stampman Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 Here's an abbreviated form--just listing those that should--according to me, but then when did pro sports teams listen to me?I am referring to black as primary or secondary colour--not as trim...And I'm not basing on who does--but again just personal opinion-NFL:AFC:East New York Jets North Cincinnati Bengals Pittsburgh Steelers South Jacksonville Jaguars West Oakland Raiders NFC:East noneNorth Detroit Lions South Atlanta Falcons New Orleans Saints Tampa Bay Buccaneers West noneMLB:AL East Baltimore Orioles Tampa Bay Devil Rays AL Central Chicago White Sox Detroit Tigers AL West Seattle Mariners Texas Rangers NL East Florida Marlins NL Central Houston Astros Pittsburgh PiratesNL West Colorado Rockies Los Angeles DodgersSan Diego Padres NBA:East:Atlantic New Jersey NetsCentral Cleveland CavaliersSoutheast Atlanta Hawks Orlando MagicWashington Wizards West:Southwest Dallas Mavericks Houston Rockets San Antonio Spurs Northwest Minnesota TimberwolvesPortland Trail BlazersPacific Sacramento KingsNHL:East:Atlantic New Jersey Devils Philadelphia FlyersNortheast Boston Bruins Buffalo Sabres Ottawa Senators Southeast Carolina Hurricanes Tampa Bay Lightning Central Chicago Blackhawks Northwest Colorado Avalanche Vancouver Canucks Pacific Dallas Stars Phoenix Coyotes CFL (because it's my post)WestBC LionsCalgary Stampeders (Alternate only--no black pants)EastHamilton Toger CatsOttawa Renegades Comic Sans walks into a bar, and the bartender says, "Sorry, we don't serve your type here." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcgd Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 My two big ones that you mentioned were the Lions and the St. Louis Cardinals. The Lions, how do you need contrast between blue and gray/silver/white??? I can see the point to contrasting the silver and the white, but not with black. Use the existing palette. Please. It looks like they added it for the sake of adding it, just like your suggestions are trying to prevent.Cardinals, only if they would drop the navy. They used to wear red/black way back. I have a '44 replica and it looks really sharp on there. If they returned, I wouldn't be completely upset just because they were returning to something they used to have. But just like in fashion, navy and black DO NOT MATCH! If you wore a navy shirt with black pants, it wouldn't look too go. Navy suit with black tie, nope. Albert needs to stop wearing the black undershirt for the cards. haha.I'd say any team that doesn't have black in their orginal colors are off limits to the black. Or any team that has an already existing dark color. Like dark green (eagles). Or Navy (see above) I'd rather see teams such as the lions, if they really need a third color, darken their existing color. Or the eagles, lighten it. Think of the Lions in Navy blue instead of the black. That would look SHARP! I think I just came up with a concept... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapshot Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 Just curious...why would you allow the Mariners, Dodgers and Cardinals (MLB) to wear black? Neither has it as the main colors in the scheme. Mariners have a dark blue, the Dodgers are blue with a small amount of red, and the Cards are navy blue and red.Same for the NBA. The Nets don't have black at all, but you'd add a black jersey for them. At least the Celtics have black in their logo.The Avalanche have black numbers on their jerseys. Black is a significant part, but no black jersey for them? You'd not allow the Capitals to have a black jersey, but the NBA Wizards, who share the same color scheme, are allowed a black jersey.I'm just not following your criteria for who gets to wear black. Elaborate further, if you will. Back-to-Back Fatal Forty Champion 2015 & 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmered Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 My two big ones that you mentioned were the Lions and the St. Louis Cardinals. The Lions, how do you need contrast between blue and gray/silver/white??? I can see the point to contrasting the silver and the white, but not with black. Use the existing palette. Please. It looks like they added it for the sake of adding it, just like your suggestions are trying to prevent.Cardinals, only if they would drop the navy. They used to wear red/black way back. I have a '44 replica and it looks really sharp on there. If they returned, I wouldn't be completely upset just because they were returning to something they used to have. But just like in fashion, navy and black DO NOT MATCH! If you wore a navy shirt with black pants, it wouldn't look too go. Navy suit with black tie, nope. Albert needs to stop wearing the black undershirt for the cards. haha.I'd say any team that doesn't have black in their orginal colors are off limits to the black. Or any team that has an already existing dark color. Like dark green (eagles). Or Navy (see above) I'd rather see teams such as the lions, if they really need a third color, darken their existing color. Or the eagles, lighten it. Think of the Lions in Navy blue instead of the black. That would look SHARP! I think I just came up with a concept... To escape the ire of those sick of the Miami Hurricanes template I've grown very fond of, I am only posting this as it's topical.Recently I complained about the Lions colours, there's nothing you can do to make them beter except starting over.So I tried a Navy alternate and given it was just discussed, thought I'd post it here.Yes, it's the 'Canes. No, I haven't done a revised logo.Possibly the helmet is not quite right, however, here's a Navy version of the Lions, and I think it looks pretty good with the Honolulu Blue and Silver. Oh, and I've got a site.Footy Jumpers Dot Com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 I think the next one should be "who is allowed to have any alternate" ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcgd Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 My two big ones that you mentioned were the Lions and the St. Louis Cardinals. The Lions, how do you need contrast between blue and gray/silver/white??? I can see the point to contrasting the silver and the white, but not with black. Use the existing palette. Please. It looks like they added it for the sake of adding it, just like your suggestions are trying to prevent.Cardinals, only if they would drop the navy. They used to wear red/black way back. I have a '44 replica and it looks really sharp on there. If they returned, I wouldn't be completely upset just because they were returning to something they used to have. But just like in fashion, navy and black DO NOT MATCH! If you wore a navy shirt with black pants, it wouldn't look too go. Navy suit with black tie, nope. Albert needs to stop wearing the black undershirt for the cards. haha.I'd say any team that doesn't have black in their orginal colors are off limits to the black. Or any team that has an already existing dark color. Like dark green (eagles). Or Navy (see above) I'd rather see teams such as the lions, if they really need a third color, darken their existing color. Or the eagles, lighten it. Think of the Lions in Navy blue instead of the black. That would look SHARP! I think I just came up with a concept... To escape the ire of those sick of the Miami Hurricanes template I've grown very fond of, I am only posting this as it's topical.Recently I complained about the Lions colours, there's nothing you can do to make them beter except starting over.So I tried a Navy alternate and given it was just discussed, thought I'd post it here.Yes, it's the 'Canes. No, I haven't done a revised logo.Possibly the helmet is not quite right, however, here's a Navy version of the Lions, and I think it looks pretty good with the Honolulu Blue and Silver. YES! Perfect! That's what I'm talking about. If you still think that black is better for the lions...there is no help for you.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewharrington Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 that does look good. what id do, though, is use their current set. on the helmet, i hate how the lion has so many thin outlines. i would go with light blue lion with navy blue outline. navy blue facemask. delete centre stripe for simplicitys sake. use metallic silver for the helmet. mmm. or even, what if it was a light blue lion on a navy blue helmet. that would look hot too. okay, then change the out of place sleeve stripes so they match the stripes on the pants. then change the numbers so the colors go as such white/silver/navy blue. then change the black stripe on the pants and sleeves to navy blue. navy blue socks. silver pants with the home light blue jersey, and navy blue pants or light blue pants with the white jersey. a navy blue alternate would also be in order. I still don't have a website, but I have a dribbble now! http://dribbble.com/andyharry [The postings on this site are my own and do not necessarily represent the position, strategy or opinions of adidas and/or its brands.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshawaggie Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 Vikings black jerseys are available. and they look horriblenot allowed @josh_j12 CFA- Fargo Bobcats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winghaz Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 Amen, Josh. The Vikings colors are purple, gold and white. No black allowed, period.And I'm no Dodger fan, but the Dodgers should never be allowed to use black, either. It's Dodger blue with a hint of red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean69 Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 So if I were to make a black third jersey for the Redwings that would be wrong? Or any team I would like to try to work with? I don't like the color lime green could we add that to the list of color's not to use. Thanks! hahahahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Clemente Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 Washington Capitals - NOT ALLOWED, but they do it anyway.Anaheim Mighty Ducks - not allowed, but they do it anyway I'm actually surprised, seeing as how these are the two best black jerseys in the NHL. (And in the case of Washington, the single greatest hockey jersey of all time.)--Roger "Time?" Clemente. Follow me on Twitter if you care: @Animal_Clans.My opinion may or may not be the same as yours. The choice is up to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheateater Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 NHL:PacificDallas Stars Phoenix Coyotes WHAT?!? You don't think the Kings should wear black, even though they have been since 1988?!?Back then, it was only LA, Boston, Vancouver and Pittsburgh who wore black jerseys (see year 1988-89 at nhluniforms.com). Now everyone wants to do it (including 10 other NHL teams, Canucks no longer included). Hell, if the Sacramento Kings can wear black, why not the LA Kings, who possess all the senority and whatnot?Sorry, I'm just a very defensive LA Kings fan AND I WANT OUR PROPER RESPECT! Wagner Athletic Group11-2 Saskatoon Steeds (WAFL)-NFL-2014 Western Conference Champions / 8-5 Calgary Pronghorns (TNFF)-CFL-2014 Confederation Cup XI Champions14-6-2 Saskatoon Yellowheads (XHL)-NHL-1st, Gretzky Conference / 5-4-0 Saskatoon Czars (MLH)-AHL-T2nd, Calder Conference7-1-6 VfL Dortmund (Weltliga)-Bundesliga-3rd, League / 5-1-5 West End AFC (WFL)-EPL-T5th, League14-7 Saskatoon Sheiks (AA)-MLB-2014 Founder's Cup Champions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-kj Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 (And in the case of Washington, the single greatest hockey jersey of all time.) No. No, no, no, no, and decidedly NO. Those jerseys are horrible. Bring back the blue. Buy some t-shirts and stuff at KJ Shop! KJ Branded | Behance portfolio POTD 2013-08-22 On 7/14/2012 at 2:20 AM, tajmccall said: When it comes to style, ya'll really should listen to Kev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winghaz Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 Just curious: Why did black become so fashionable, anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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