Division 1 College Conference Realignment

[Burmy]

1 hour ago, CrimsonBull9584 said:

Yes, let's just push people down even further.  Nothing like moving the goal posts for teams trying to move up.

Would you rather keep denying Group of Five teams a legitimate chance at a national championship?

[CrimsonBull9584]

27 minutes ago, Burmy said:

Would you rather keep denying Group of Five teams a legitimate chance at a national championship?

 

What I would like is for each FBS conference to get an auto bid to the 12 team playoff.

[McCall]

14 minutes ago, CrimsonBull9584 said:

 

What I would like is for each FBS conference to get an auto bid to the 12 team playoff.

Well, realistically, that's not gonna happen. So either move the Power 5 up into their own so the Group of 5 schools can have their own, or continue to be happy with one, maybe 2, schools getting in each year. 

[ManillaToad]

29 minutes ago, CrimsonBull9584 said:

 

What I would like is for each FBS conference to get an auto bid to the 12 team playoff.

 

9-5 Toledo does not deserve to play for the natty

[TBGKon]

55 minutes ago, CrimsonBull9584 said:

 

What I would like is for each FBS conference to get an auto bid to the 12 team playoff.

Good luck with that...

[CrimsonBull9584]

2 hours ago, McCall said:

Well, realistically, that's not gonna happen. So either move the Power 5 up into their own so the Group of 5 schools can have their own, or continue to be happy with one, maybe 2, schools getting in each year. 

 

What I want to know is why you don't hear G5 conference commissioners fighting for this?

2 hours ago, ManillaToad said:

 

9-5 Toledo does not deserve to play for the natty

 

If they win their conference, then yes. If they can win games and actually get to the NC, then yes. Everyone deserves the opportunity. 

 

[McCall]

2 minutes ago, CrimsonBull9584 said:

 

What I want to know is why you don't hear G5 conference commissioners fighting for this?

 

If they win their conference, then yes. If they can win games and actually get to the NC, then yes. Everyone deserves the opportunity. 

 

The 5 G5 conferences are not on the same playing level as the Power 5. That's just reality. Can the occasional school BE better. Sure. But there are gonna be 12 spots. There are 10 FBS conferences. Not only the loss of quality of play, but  giving away 5 of those spots to G5 champs (outside of the one guaranteed spot) lessens the overall value of the CFP games. They're not gonna risk that. So if you want to see more G5 schools competing for a championship, it's gonna have to be because the power 5 schools moved up (or out of the NCAA, which does not appear likely, at this time). Sorry, but that's the reality.

[CrimsonBull9584]

1 hour ago, McCall said:

The 5 G5 conferences are not on the same playing level as the Power 5. That's just reality. Can the occasional school BE better. Sure. But there are gonna be 12 spots. There are 10 FBS conferences. Not only the loss of quality of play, but  giving away 5 of those spots to G5 champs (outside of the one guaranteed spot) lessens the overall value of the CFP games. They're not gonna risk that. So if you want to see more G5 schools competing for a championship, it's gonna have to be because the power 5 schools moved up (or out of the NCAA, which does not appear likely, at this time). Sorry, but that's the reality.

So you're fine with the status quo? With the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer, and less opportunity for growth? Why defend a broken system? Would the G5 teams loose more often than not in this format? Initially, yes. But you have to think long term. Giving the MAC a guaranteed spot every year with change the conference and produce better teams over time. When you give teams like Akron, Ball State, and Ohio TV exposure and money, it will change those programs and elevate them. Not quickly or all at once, but it eventually there won't be this massive gap between FBS conferences. P5 and G5 are an artificial concept, all the teams are D1 FBS. Yet they are not treated equal. All FBS teams play the same game, with the same rules, the only difference is the amount of money they make. The system NEEDS to be fixed. And I don't understand why this kind of change is being resisted.

[crashcarson15]

The issue with splitting FBS in half is that the NCAA more or less tried that 40 years ago, and dozens of schools realized that it's better to be on the outside in FBS than competing for a championship in a lesser division (particularly in the current bowl game and TV economy). Realistically, the 12-team playoff is as good as it's likely to ever get for the non-power schools — they actually get national championship access as a collective, but they're not diluting the power schools' access in a significant way that would freeze them out.

 

Also, to be very clear, the playoff takes the top six conference champions, irrespective of conference. Would we expect the 2020 scenario where a Pac-10 champion is unranked and two Group of 5 champions make the playoff to happen regularly? Maybe not, but there's not this explicit shut-out of the Group of 5 schools. No playoff format is suddenly going to make people in Akron care more about the Zips than Ohio State. The big schools are the big schools because they're the big schools. That'll largely always be the case (with the current format providing the groundwork for a couple power "mid-major" programs — a la Gonzaga — to develop).

[Red Wolf]

7 hours ago, Burmy said:

Would you rather keep denying Group of Five teams a legitimate chance at a national championship?

 

If they wanted to play FCS ball they would.

[McCall]

9 hours ago, CrimsonBull9584 said:

So you're fine with the status quo? With the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer, and less opportunity for growth? Why defend a broken system? Would the G5 teams loose more often than not in this format? Initially, yes. But you have to think long term. Giving the MAC a guaranteed spot every year with change the conference and produce better teams over time. When you give teams like Akron, Ball State, and Ohio TV exposure and money, it will change those programs and elevate them. Not quickly or all at once, but it eventually there won't be this massive gap between FBS conferences. P5 and G5 are an artificial concept, all the teams are D1 FBS. Yet they are not treated equal. All FBS teams play the same game, with the same rules, the only difference is the amount of money they make. The system NEEDS to be fixed. And I don't understand why this kind of change is being resisted.

No. I don't believe ANY of that. You are clearly looking at this as a die-hard Group of 5 supporter (which is fine) rather than as an objective observer. The decrease in value, both monetarily and in quality of play, is not worth the risk of smaller schools elevating to a consistent level of that of Power 5 schools, therefore the powers that be are not gonna take the chance at diluting the CFP just to appease smaller fanbases. And this whole "class warfare/changing society" approach you're taking to college football is not doing you any favors. I'm actually finding it quite hard to take you seriously on the subject.

[McCall]

7 hours ago, Red Wolf said:

 

If they wanted to play FCS ball they would.

There are clearly 3 levels of football at the moment; Power 5, Group of 5 and FCS. You can't deny this. How's separating them into those 3 levels so that all of a respective shot at a championship dropping anyone down? So because they're better than FCS they have to settle for losing at FBS? Just like they separated Division I into 2 different divisions before, it's time, based on the current state of college football, to separate them into thirds.

[DCarp1231]

The AAC losing Cincinnati, Houston, and UCF to the Big 12, but gaining Charlotte, UAB, FAU, Rice, North Texas, and USTA all from C-USA is IMO just such a peculiar situation. Might as well just merge.

Also, just noticed Jackson State, Sam Houston State, and Kennesaw State are jumping up to FBS. Somehow neither NDSU or SDSU have gained any looks from top tier conferences. They could easily be placed in the Mountain West.

[TBGKon]

13 minutes ago, DCarp1231 said:

Also, just noticed Jackson State, Sam Houston State, and Kennesaw State are jumping up to FBS. Somehow neither NDSU or SDSU have gained any looks from top tier conferences. They could easily be placed in the Mountain West.

Note sure where you heard about Jackson State going FBS, but im pretty sure that was just Deion being Deion.  Now that he's gone for Colorado, Jackson State is likely staying put.

 

https://hbcugameday.com/2022/09/28/deion-sanders-talks-potential-jackson-state-move-to-fbs/

[DCarp1231]

28 minutes ago, TBGKon said:

Note sure where you heard about Jackson State going FBS, but im pretty sure that was just Deion being Deion.  Now that he's gone for Colorado, Jackson State is likely staying put.

 

https://hbcugameday.com/2022/09/28/deion-sanders-talks-potential-jackson-state-move-to-fbs/

Ah, my bad. I forgot “ville”. It’s Jacksonville State not Jackson State

 

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32560304/conference-usa-add-liberty-jacksonville-state-new-mexico-state-sam-houston-state-beginning-2023?platform=amp

[Red Wolf]

4 hours ago, McCall said:

There are clearly 3 levels of football at the moment; Power 5, Group of 5 and FCS. You can't deny this. How's separating them into those 3 levels so that all of a respective shot at a championship dropping anyone down? So because they're better than FCS they have to settle for losing at FBS? Just like they separated Division I into 2 different divisions before, it's time, based on the current state of college football, to separate them into thirds.

 

They don't have to settle for that, but they choose to. If they wanted to be wholly separate from the P5 they would be. Nobody from the G5 has any interest in a self-demotion.

[heavybass]

What we really need is for the California schools that don't have football to suddenly have the reason to have football again.

[DCarp1231]

5 hours ago, heavybass said:

What we really need is for the California schools that don't have football to suddenly have the reason to have football again.

All aboard the San Francisco Dons comeback train 

[rams80]

On 1/5/2023 at 4:07 PM, CrimsonBull9584 said:

 

What I would like is for each FBS conference to get an auto bid to the 12 team playoff.

 

Yeah, the cartel isn't gonna let that one fly.

[rams80]

10 hours ago, heavybass said:

What we really need is for the California schools that don't have football to suddenly have the reason to have football again.

Those schools decided they had no need or reason to pony up for 126-170 athletic scholarships in order to keep football going (gotta remember Title IX, so double the schollys), which given how bad the old Big West was, was probably correct.