Could the long Orange County nightmare be coming to an end?

[monkeypower]

I'd be fine with them going back to the California Angels. I know there are other teams in California but the Angels have used the name before.

[oddball]

My 0.02$.

The Angels play in Anaheim so they should be called Anaheim because Anaheim is a big enough city and it is a well known city. (It's not an Orchard Park-Buffalo Bills type deal)

To my knowledge Anaheim isn't an actual suburb of LA, it may be a "spiritual" suburb however.

If they played in LA (or Burbank or Pasadena or wherever in LA County) then call them Los Angeles.

Using Anaheim as a geographical identifer doesn't bother the Ducks.

But would it be well known if the Angels didn't name themselves the "Anaheim" Angels? Would it be well known without the Ducks (the Ducks are more/less irrelevant though since it's hockey).

Like other cities, without pro sports teams, not many people would have heard of them. When I was a kid, if people ever said they were going to disney land, that always meant LA or just California. The average person in average-town USA could live their entire life without ever hearing the word Anaheim ever mentioned. The same can't be said for LA.

Actually, the average person knows where Anaheim is. It's probably the most faMOUSE place on this Earth. Oh, you know where it is. Don't play dumb. It never needed sports to be known. Just about everyone knows where Anaheim is. Stop playing this, "No one knows where Anaheim is without LA" card. Anaheim is just as famous as Paris, London, and New York City. You all know where the Mouse lives. Anaheim. Any 3 year old knows where it is. Take a step back, outside the sports world, and you'll realize how dumb the argument is that no one knows where Anaheim is. Everyone knows Disneyland resides in Anaheim. End of story.

[FiddySicks]

WTF? No it's not. Sure it's popular because of Disneyland, but you're high if you think it's on the same level as NYC, Paris, or London. Most people refer to Disneyland's location as in Southern California, not Anaheim specifically.

[McCall]

As far as most people outside the area are concerned, Anaheim is where Disneyland and the other LA baseball team are. And a hockey team named after that Disney movie. That's about it.

[ohryan]

I grew up in the Midwest in the 80s, and I always thought the mouse lived in Orlando. I'd bet that most kids east of the Rockies felt the same way.

I realize that the original is in Anahiem, but nobody I knew growing up ever dreamed of going to Disneyland - it was always Disney World. Most kids didn't even know Disneyland existed. Those that did just considered it an older, smaller version of the one in Florida.

Anaheim may have been as well known as Paris and NYC before Disney World opened, but I don't think that's true anymore.

[IceCap]

You all know where the Mouse lives. Anaheim. Any 3 year old knows where it is. Take a step back, outside the sports world, and you'll realize how dumb the argument is that no one knows where Anaheim is. Everyone knows Disneyland resides in Anaheim. End of story.

No, not really. When I was little I only ever ascoiated Disney with Orlando. I wasn't even aware that Disney had parks outside of central Florida until I was 12-13ish. It was just always "Disney is in Orlando." Even now, knowing Disney's roots in Orange County, I still associate the company more with Orlando then Anaheim.

Anaheim is just as famous as Paris, London, and New York City.

Well that's just not true.

Ice_cap, you know I got nothing but love for you, man… but damned if you can't be a long-winded contrarian sometimes.

No joke. I've been called both a contrarian and a comformist this week I suppose both are true, depending on your point of view and the subject at hand.

The respect is mutual

[tubby34]

Cheeseburgers

[Mac the Knife]

So does this mean the Ducks will soon become the Los Angeles Ducks?

Only if the next lease deal includes a box of Quackers...

He's from AZ and made his money in outdoor advertising a guy who paid a :censored:load for a Major League Baseball franchise, hence he's looking to constantly expand the reach of his team. By using the LA monicker, he thinks he can appeal to a broader base of fans, viewers, and advertisers.

Geographical boundaries don't mean much anymore. It's all about media markets now and the those names still utilize the traditional big city names like LA/SF/NY etc. despite the population shifts and sprawl.

There. FTFY. You're right about media markets though.

I'd be fine with them going back to the California Angels. I know there are other teams in California but the Angels have used the name before.

I think most folks over 40 (who aren't anal or true fanatics) still refer to them as the "California" Angels.

Anaheim is just as famous as Paris, London, and New York City. You all know where the Mouse lives. Anaheim.

Perhaps on your planet, but here on Earth? Not so much. And I have a 3 year old in my home. She ADORES Mickey Mouse. And has no clue where Anaheim (or Orlando for that matter) is.

[CubsFanBudMan]

"I'm from Chicagoland!" -- Nobody

So much for media-speak solving this discussion.

[The Giant Pacific Octopus]

Now if only the Ducks changed their name to Los Angles Ducks, I'll be happy.

[BShaw20]

I grew up in the Midwest in the 80s, and I always thought the mouse lived in Orlando.

LOL the mouse is not from Orlando but from Bay Lake/Lake Buena Vista ha ha...

Anyway I think they should just move the team to LA, can't they do a Lakers/Clippers scenario at Dodger Stadium and share it?

[rams80]

I grew up in the Midwest in the 80s, and I always thought the mouse lived in Orlando.

LOL the mouse is not from Orlando but from Bay Lake/Lake Buena Vista ha ha...

Anyway I think they should just move the team to LA, can't they do a Lakers/Clippers scenario at Dodger Stadium and share it?

Because MLB stadiums kind of need off time for basic maintenance during the season.

[BBTV]

Plus arena management would be a bitch. Not sure if the Dodgers manage the stadium or if it's a private entity or the City, but it would be feasible for each team to manage it on "their" nights, and it would be very difficult to staff a baseball stadium for 162 home games. Not so much concessions, but ushers and other "guest services" employees.

[guest23]

Plus arena management would be a bitch. Not sure if the Dodgers manage the stadium or if it's a private entity or the City, but it would be feasible for each team to manage it on "their" nights, and it would be very difficult to staff a baseball stadium for 162 home games. Not so much concessions, but ushers and other "guest services" employees.

The Dodgers own the stadium and the land under it outright. There is precedent for two teams sharing a stadium. When the Angels first joined mlb they actually played in Dodger stadium for a year or two. Additionally the Yankees shared Shea with the Mets in the mid 70's when their stadium was being refurbished.

There has been some speculation that Moreno has toyed of moving back to LA county and trying to go toe to toe with the Dodgers which would be a ballsy move and likely end up in an idential dispute to the A's/Giants mess with SJ. Sites that have been floated around are right next to the convention center (3 mi away from dodger stadium-INSANE), SE of downtown by the river and santa fe railyards, another possibility could be the sports arena at expo park next to the LAMC as the arena is definitely going to be demolished for some sort of new venue due to the new USC lease.

What will most likely happen is that Moreno will get his $1 lease and parking lot development rights. Seems to be the easiest to get completed.

[The_Admiral]

There has been some speculation that Moreno has toyed of moving back to LA county and trying to go toe to toe with the Dodgers which would be a ballsy move and likely end up in an idential dispute to the A's/Giants mess with SJ.

Not really: the Dodgers and Angels have identical geographic territories. There's none of the silliness going on over who gets San Jose.

[wildwing64]

Now if only the Ducks changed their name to Los Angeles Ducks, I'll be happy.

Yeah. No thanks. One name change was enough.

You all know where the Mouse lives. Anaheim. Any 3 year old knows where it is. Take a step back, outside the sports world, and you'll realize how dumb the argument is that no one knows where Anaheim is. Everyone knows Disneyland resides in Anaheim. End of story.

No, not really. When I was little I only ever ascoiated Disney with Orlando. I wasn't even aware that Disney had parks outside of central Florida until I was 12-13ish. It was just always "Disney is in Orlando." Even now, knowing Disney's roots in Orange County, I still associate the company more with Orlando then Anaheim.

Anaheim is just as famous as Paris, London, and New York City.

Well that's just not true.

Speaking as a Ducks fan from abroad, I'll admit, the only reason I know Anaheim exists in the first place is because of the NHL team. When I was little, I associated Disneyland with Paris. Not Orlando or Anaheim. Although I knew there were Disneylands in both Florida and California, I never knew their exact location in those places.

Also for the record, I don't think I knew of Los Angeles either. Only "Hollywood".

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If the Angels are going to outright move into LA, where exactly can they go? Going by what Rams and BBTV said, Dodger Stadium is pretty much a no-no. If there is no other MLB compatible stadium in Los Angeles proper, where else can they go? How long would it take to build a new one, and where's that gonna go? They may as well just stay put.

[guest23]

Now if only the Ducks changed their name to Los Angeles Ducks, I'll be happy.

Yeah. No thanks. One name change was enough.

You all know where the Mouse lives. Anaheim. Any 3 year old knows where it is. Take a step back, outside the sports world, and you'll realize how dumb the argument is that no one knows where Anaheim is. Everyone knows Disneyland resides in Anaheim. End of story.

No, not really. When I was little I only ever ascoiated Disney with Orlando. I wasn't even aware that Disney had parks outside of central Florida until I was 12-13ish. It was just always "Disney is in Orlando." Even now, knowing Disney's roots in Orange County, I still associate the company more with Orlando then Anaheim.

Anaheim is just as famous as Paris, London, and New York City.

Well that's just not true.

Speaking as a Ducks fan from abroad, I'll admit, the only reason I know Anaheim exists in the first place is because of the NHL team. When I was little, I associated Disneyland with Paris. Not Orlando or Anaheim. Although I knew there were Disneylands in both Florida and California, I never knew their exact location in those places.

Also for the record, I don't think I knew of Los Angeles either. Only "Hollywood".

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If the Angels are going to outright move into LA, where exactly can they go? Going by what Rams and BBTV said, Dodger Stadium is pretty much a no-no. If there is no other MLB compatible stadium in Los Angeles proper, where else can they go? How long would it take to build a new one, and where's that gonna go? They may as well just stay put.

Per my previous post likely sites would be SE of DTLA, Exposition park/ Hollywood park is another as the race track is being torn down and the entire area is being redeveloped. All have been considered as potential sites for stadia or other venues in the past. Carson could also be in the mix but is a longshot these days due to major environmental issues. Stadia typically take 2 years to build but would likely take at least 3 given how slow every development takes in socal. The Angels could extend the lease short term before a move but I'd say 90% they're staying put.

[rams80]

The Dodgers own the stadium and the land under it outright. There is precedent for two teams sharing a stadium. When the Angels first joined mlb they actually played in Dodger stadium for a year or two. Additionally the Yankees shared Shea with the Mets in the mid 70's when their stadium was being refurbished.

Those were by design temporary arrangements while stadia were being built. At no point was serious consideration granted to that being a permanent arrangement.

[Brian in Boston]

When the Angels first joined mlb they actually played in Dodger stadium for a year or two.

Actually, when the Los Angeles Angels first joined Major League Baseball - in 1961 - they played their games at Wrigley Field, located about 1.5 miles southeast of the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum. They then moved to Dodger Stadium for the 1962 through 1965 MLB seasons, before relocating to Anaheim Stadium in time for the 1966 season.

[The_Admiral]

I love old pictures of Anaheim Stadium. There was nothing out there.